Vista On More Then One Computer

[Nina DiBoy]

This is why I strongly object to the WPA/WGA trip. It assumes you are
guilty of piracy until you are pronounced innocent by MS' WPA/WGA court
which is flawed so you have to call the MS court by phone and state your
case. MS is the judge, jury and prosecuter. The fact that people think
this is normal boggles the mind.

Alias

This is one of many reasons I object to it Alias, but it seems we'll
never get it through Bruce's thick skull.

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[Alias]

This is one of many reasons I object to it Alias, but it seems we'll
never get it through Bruce's thick skull.

Not just Bruce's ...

Alias

 

[Guest]

ok so i bought windows Vista ultimate and put it on my desktop so i liked it
so i put it on my laptop thinking i could use the same product key on my
laptop and vista is 4xx.xx bucks then after a little it ask to active it then
it say its being used so i call them up and they want me to pay for a new one
you cant use vista on more then one computer if u already bought it?

 

[Guest]

Unless it is found to be unconscionable.


OK, I'll get more specific for you. MS has never even bothered to try
to take an end user to court for a piracy violation of the EULA.
Therefore the best proof I can offer is that it has never happened.
There is no precedent set to back up your assertion.


Presumed innocent until proven guilty, based on a preponderance of the
evidence in a court. Presumed innocent means being innocent of all
charge(s) or crime(s) that is being brought before the court _until_ a
final judgment is rendered by the court. It may well be your personal
opinion that a crime has been committed, but it is not concrete until
the trial is over and the decision made. You are putting the cart
before the horse here Bruce.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/i047.htm

"INNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF - The indictment or formal charge against any
person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the
law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his
innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden
of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to
do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty."



To quote you, *""Fair Use," as defined by copyright law"*...

How does ""Fair Use," as defined by *copyright law*" have nothing to do
with this conversation since you brought copyright into this
conversation? If I'm talking about fair use and you are talking about
""Fair Use," as defined by copyright law"...?

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hey guys

wat if u installed vista on a previous computer, uninstalled it and
installed vista on ur new computer?

i did that but windows cant activate my computer. says 'the product key you
typed is already in use'

thanks.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Choose the option to activate by phone.
all Microsoft at the displayed number for your region, usually done in
about 5 - 10 minutes.
As long as Windows is retail and not OEM, that is it.

 

[Guest]

okay you two, at this point...you are both enjoying this too much and have
lost sight of the obvious question.

no, you shouldn't copy the original purchased software to another computer
unless it is a replacement for the computer you originally downloaded the
software to. microsoft will help walk you through this if it happens.

do people download software purchased for one computer to multiple
computers? yes, all the time. does microsoft care? yes. are they going to
track down and prosecute you? lol. no. will they offer you support if you
have a problem with your software? no. will you be able to upgrade the
software on the second computer to a new version when available? no.

jeez.

 

[Guest]

ok so i bought windows Vista ultimate and put it on my desktop so i liked it
so i put it on my laptop thinking i could use the same product key on my
laptop and vista is 4xx.xx bucks then after a little it ask to active it then
it say its being used so i call them up and they want me to pay for a new one
you cant use vista on more then one computer if u already bought it?

 

[Guest]

ok so i bought windows Vista ultimate and put it on my desktop so i liked it
so i put it on my laptop thinking i could use the same product key on my
laptop and vista is 4xx.xx bucks then after a little it ask to active it then
it say its being used so i call them up and they want me to pay for a new one
you cant use vista on more then one computer if u already bought it?

 

[Guest]

What was the answer? Can you put it on your own laptop

 

[Bruce Chambers]

What was the answer? Can you put it on your own laptop

You need to purchase a separate Vista license for each computer on
which you install it.

Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating
systems, it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
technically) to purchase one Vista license for each computer on which it
is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to determine
final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which Vista
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows (up until
WinXP, that is) is that Microsoft has added a copy protection and
anti-theft mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make
more difficult) multiple installations using a single license.

With Vista Ultimate, it's sometimes possible to qualify for
additional licenses, at a reduced cost:

Windows Vista: Windows Vista Family Discount
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/familydiscount.mspx


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[Nina DiBoy]

You need to purchase a separate Vista license for each computer on
which you install it.

No Bruce. You *need* to eat. But you don't *need* to purchase a
separate license...

Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,

This is incorrect.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/83926

"Under the licensing agreements for Microsoft applications software and
Windows 3.0, if the software is permanently installed on the hard disk
or other storage device of a computer (other than a network server) and
one person uses that computer more than 80 percent of the time it is in
use, then that person may also use the software on a portable or home
computer."

it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
technically) to purchase one Vista license for each computer on which it
is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to determine
final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which Vista
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows (up until
WinXP, that is) is that Microsoft has added a copy protection and
anti-theft mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make
more difficult) multiple installations using a single license.

Which fails miserably. It only inconveniences paying customers.

With Vista Ultimate, it's sometimes possible to qualify for
additional licenses, at a reduced cost:

Windows Vista: Windows Vista Family Discount
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/familydiscount.mspx

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[Bruce Chambers]

This is incorrect.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/83926

"Under the licensing agreements for Microsoft applications software and
Windows 3.0, if the software is permanently installed on the hard disk
or other storage device of a computer (other than a network server) and
one person uses that computer more than 80 percent of the time it is in
use, then that person may also use the software on a portable or home
computer."

Please point out just what part of the above makes any reference to any
*OPERATING SYSTEM*. You really should try to be more convincing when
you want to lie.

Please, if you're going to try to troll, at least read some of the
other trolls and develop a few basic skills, first.



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[norm]

Please point out just what part of the above makes any reference to
any *OPERATING SYSTEM*. You really should try to be more convincing
when you want to lie.

Please, if you're going to try to troll, at least read some of the
other trolls and develop a few basic skills, first.

Bruce, I am not trying to get in the middle of your disagreement with
nina, but the kb cited (83926) states: "Under the licensing agreements
for Microsoft applications software and Windows 3.0,............". If I
read correctly from wikipedia, windows 3.0 is designated an operating
system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.x
Windows 3.x can refer to the following versions of the Microsoft Windows
operating system:
* Windows 3.0
* Windows 3.1x
Also from this site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryDesktop.mspx
Many longtime PC users trace the Microsoft Windows® operating system to
the 1990 release of Windows 3.0, the first widely popular version of
Windows and the first version of Windows many PC users ever tried.

So whether or not there is a direct reference as to 3.0 being an os, why
would you argue otherwise? Possibly, you should consider changing the
following part of your statement about licensing terms: "Just as it has
*always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems......". Maybe that
is just not the case.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Please point out just what part of the above makes any reference to
any *OPERATING SYSTEM*. You really should try to be more convincing
when you want to lie.

Please, if you're going to try to troll, at least read some of the
other trolls and develop a few basic skills, first.

Why would MS compare the license agreements for 3.0 and 3.1 if they
weren't comparable software? Why would both versions be named "Windows"?

Noted that you snipped the rest without responding.

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[Guest]

Back to the original question - my scenario is slightly different. I bought
Windows Vista, and then due to it being an incredible power hog of my
mediocre system (that still passed the system tests that I ran in advance), I
moved it to my more powerful system and put a Linux back on that weaker one.
Now I'm getting the same message that Windows can't be activated. I
understand its a breach of contract to run it on two computers - that's why I
wasn't in the first place. Operating System reinstalls are needed all the
time (especially with Windows in my personal experience), so is there
something I can do to actually activate it again or is my Vista a complete
waste? Thanks in advance.

 

[Cal Bear '66]

Use phone activation.
As long as it is installed on only one machine, all is ok.

 

[...winston]

Not applicable.

: This is incorrect.
:
: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/83926
:
: "Under the licensing agreements for Microsoft applications software and
: Windows 3.0, if the software is permanently installed on the hard disk
: or other storage device of a computer (other than a network server) and
: one person uses that computer more than 80 percent of the time it is in
: use, then that person may also use the software on a portable or home
: computer."

 

[Guest]

What if we don't want any support for the software? What if we don't want any
upgrade of the software? In that case we can use one purchased OS for
multiple systems. Right?

 

[John Barnes]

What part of NO don't you understand. One license, one installation,
PERIOD.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Not applicable.
How?


: This is incorrect.
:
: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/83926
:
: "Under the licensing agreements for Microsoft applications software and
: Windows 3.0, if the software is permanently installed on the hard disk
: or other storage device of a computer (other than a network server) and
: one person uses that computer more than 80 percent of the time it is in
: use, then that person may also use the software on a portable or home
: computer."

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