Vista judged and found to be

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DB Ruberto

Chris said:
The main thing that's making me lean towards a Mac for my next laptop
is the integrated linux environment. Having all the mainstream PC/Mac
apps and linux too would be pretty powerful.
Three words.

DUAL BOOT.

Mookie
.....who will purchase a macbook pro when she finally stops paying The
Man all of her hard earned benjamins..
 
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Chris Mihos

If Apple started selling computers at computer prices and stopped trying
to sell the latest nouveau pop art device, they'd impress me more.

Yeah, but I've got government grants that l can charge it to. So cost
is not so much an issue.
 
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Chris Bellomy

In rec.sport.football.college DB Ruberto said:
Three words.

DUAL BOOT.

Two words.

PARALLELS.

I can run Solaris in a window on my MacBook Pro. Comes in rather
handy for the work I do. But of course it's just a toy!

cb
 
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Chris Mihos

Three words.

DUAL BOOT.

yeah i know; i've gone that route before. that seems to be the windows
solution to everything -- just reboot! But I'd prefer a solution where
it's all integrated.
 
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Chris Bellomy

In rec.sport.football.college E.F. Hokie said:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:45:39 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote...


MacHeads often toss this one out there.

Has it occurred to you that if there were more Mac users that there
might be more effort devoted toward ruining their day?

Has it occurred to you that I administer servers that run the
most popular Internet server OSes in the world (Solaris and
Linux) and that I:

a) Understand more about security than the average user; and
2) Don't spend nearly as much time dicking with security issues
as desktop Windows users do?

cb
 
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Eric Kemp

Chris said:
The main thing that's making me lean towards a Mac for my next laptop
is the integrated linux environment. Having all the mainstream PC/Mac
apps and linux too would be pretty powerful.

Minor correction: It's based on BSD, not Linux.
 
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tom_sawyer70

MacHeads often toss this one out there.

Has it occurred to you that if there were more Mac users that there
might be more effort devoted toward ruining their day?


Ah, the old, "if there were more" argument. I used to hear it when I
worked as an admin in an environment that was looking to migrate from
NetWare to Windows. "If there were more NetWare servers, there would
be more attacks on the OS," is how it would be argued. Curiously, you
never heard about NetWare attacks even though major banks, governments
and other secure industries used them, but we required entire teams of
people to try to manage the Windows side of the house. The reason
that there were not "more" NetWare servers was because we didn't need
them. I could easily handle several hundred users for file/print, ftp
and other services on a single or maybe a two server configuration for
major sites that needed redundancy. The reason that there were "more
Windows" servers was because when they replaced a single NetWare box,
they did so with multiple MS boxes due to instability.

But I know that this is not really the discussion ... so if the "if
there were more" argument were valid, why does Apache not receive the
attention that IIS does for cracks and hacks?
 
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E.F. Hokie

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:55:58 -0800 (PST), Chris Mihos wrote...
Yeah, but I've got government grants that l can charge it to. So cost
is not so much an issue.

You're gonna have to try harder than that, pla.
 
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DB Ruberto

Chris said:
Two words.

PARALLELS.

I can run Solaris in a window on my MacBook Pro. Comes in rather
handy for the work I do. But of course it's just a toy!

cb

I forgot about Parallels. U R correct....that will be another tool in
the arsenel...

Mookie
 
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Trevor Zion Bauknight

E.F. Hokie said:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:45:39 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote...


MacHeads often toss this one out there.

Has it occurred to you that if there were more Mac users that there
might be more effort devoted toward ruining their day?

Right. That's called the "Apache principle." Always attack the software
with the biggest installed base.

Wait, I'm sorry, the "IIS principle."

Trev
 
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Trent Woodruff

No, I'll not have to, in fact.

Yeah, I didn't think you could either.


--


....I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When
you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I
dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
 
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Trent Woodruff

MacHeads often toss this one out there.
Has it occurred to you that if there were more Mac users that there
might be more effort devoted toward ruining their day?

All this shows is that you don't understand the Unix operating
environment very well.


--


....I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When
you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I
dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
 
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Matthew Hennig

and trust me, there's nothing they do that I can't. Plus I'm
not constrained by annoying antivirus software.

If you don't run every stupid virus disguised as an email forward or "GET
FREE PORN HERE NOW!!@!!@!@!" links on the internet, its kinda hard to get
a virus on your system.

MH

--
Ten of Spades
Aggee Fedayeen Chief
Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
RSFC Rookie of the Year 2005
Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006

"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got
outcoached."
- OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
 
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Trent Woodruff

If you don't run every stupid virus disguised as an email forward or "GET
FREE PORN HERE NOW!!@!!@!@!" links on the internet, its kinda hard to get
a virus on your system.

Not true. Some viruses are transmitted via your mailers without any
interaction from you at all.


--


....I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When
you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I
dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
 
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Chris Bellomy

In rec.sport.football.college Matthew Hennig said:
If you don't run every stupid virus disguised as an email forward or "GET
FREE PORN HERE NOW!!@!!@!@!" links on the internet, its kinda hard to get
a virus on your system.

What about spyware?

cb
 
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Dan S.

DB Ruberto explained :
Three words.

DUAL BOOT.

Mookie
....who will purchase a macbook pro when she finally stops paying The Man all
of her hard earned benjamins..

I read somewhere that Vista overwrites the MBR on every boot so there
are issues duel booting.
 
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Matthew Hennig

Not true. Some viruses are transmitted via your mailers without any
interaction from you at all.

The virus has to get on your system somehow. Yes, there are a couple
that can get in via open ports and an open system, but the majority of
viruses come from malicious web sites and emails that are sent out by the
virus to friends and family who then run the virus (ex. the I love you
virus from a few years back).

I do not run a virus program on my computers as a background process. I
don't even have one installed currently. In the last 10 years, I've had
one virus make it through and infect my system.

MH

--
Ten of Spades
Aggee Fedayeen Chief
Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
RSFC Rookie of the Year 2005
Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006

"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got
outcoached."
- OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
 
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Trent Woodruff

The virus has to get on your system somehow. Yes, there are a couple
that can get in via open ports and an open system, but the majority of
viruses come from malicious web sites and emails that are sent out by the
virus to friends and family who then run the virus (ex. the I love you
virus from a few years back).
I do not run a virus program on my computers as a background process. I
don't even have one installed currently. In the last 10 years, I've had
one virus make it through and infect my system.

Then you are both very dumb and very lucky. Or you don't access the
Internet at all.


--


....I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When
you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I
dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
 

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