Vista is a peice of %^$#@!!!!

[Charlie Wilkes]

Hmm... well... OK. I think these accusations of MS being in collusion
with hw vendors to sell more hw were also made back when XP was released
and many folks had to buy new hw to work with XP. Same thing now with
the move from XP to Vista. And I think the answer's pretty simple: don't
buy Vista. Stick with XP until one gets a new PC and then get Vista.

I read that screed differently, as a broad critique of technology and its
purveyors rather than a narrow attack on Microsoft. The business model
of most technology companies is to sell what's hot and then move on to
the next hot thing. That means problems never really get fixed, they
merely get replaced with new problems.

Charlie

 

[Guest]

You misunderstand my comments about hardware mfg. I didn't say there was
collusion to sell more hardware. Nor do I think it.

Microsoft want as many people as possible to buy computers to buy MS
software. Microsoft needs the package to be as cheap as possible. This has
been done by commoditising hardware. But not software, and especially not
operating systems. Vista (Ultimate Retail) is the most expensive part of the
computer.

What this means is that OEM have no pricing power. But MS does. So MS gets a
(call it a tax or call it rent - that's what economist call it) a more than
it's share cut. So a machine with Windows has to sell cheaper than Macs
(although MS goals are broader than that). The OEM is the one that loses
from this with consumers getting cheaper hardware and share the cost
reduction with MS (who has nothing to do with the hardware - so it's free
cash for MS - and they get is by not competing on software so software is
dearer).

A second point is that all traffic on the internet is charged by bytes. If
your ISP has certain plans and you think it's cheap then someone (another
customer of the ISP) is subsidising you.

What is wrong with this is that it leads to economic unrational behaviour.
To download a patch which costs you nothing extra, but incurs costs for your
ISP, distorts the market. People that don't do that subsidise the ones who
do. And the ones who do have no economic incentive to not do it.

I'm able to quantify the cost at $240 pa. If I didn't pay this, Vista would
have chewed up my total bandwidth plus 50% on day 1 (Webcam, NVidia, and
Realtek - around 250MB). This puts me in unacceptable use. I lose my
account, and my wireless modem ($350 total) is worthless as it works with
that company only.

 

[Phil]

Right. More acting like a prat......
it has been proven that you do not kick but KISS.
still got the knickers twisted.
better pull the skirt down.



(e-mail address removed)

A psycho-rational response. My mum did this. It doesn't work with me.

If there are no drivers thenthere are no drivers so he should have bought
hardware that was supported. He should compain to the hardware mfg. Most
drivers MS writes 90% of them. The mfg just needs to do the last 10%
specific to their brand. But there is no money in drivers.

And installing a unix clone would mean one has to surrender rights to
pimplely faced unix clone nuts. Open Source license restricts what one can
do unlike an MS license. Only those who wish to adopt a evil political
agenda is it suited for.

I've written many public domain things (incl meeting manuals). Unix clones
are anti public domain preferring to restrict what people can do with a unix
clone.

You nothing but a f..king drunk. You admitted it yourself. So just for
fun I'm going to kick your stupid ass... a lot.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Frank wrote:

"upgrading" to Vista from XP was the worst mistake I could have made.

Hi Bek. I hear this from alot of people about the upgrade. That's why
I did a clean install.

There was nothing wrong with XP.. I just thought Vista looked cool and
would be fun! Wrong!! Not only did I have to buy another stick of ram
(2 512's), it was the wrong kind. So I had to exchange it for the
right RAM. Then I installed Vista on top of XP (not the clean install
but the upgrade). Nothing but problems. The upgrade advisor said
everything was hunky dory and ready to go with Vista, yay!

I had the same problem with the upgrade advisor. It told me everything
would work fine with my current computer, but subsequently it took me 3
days and 6 network cards to find one that would work with Vista.

But, no. So
I re-installed Vista, CLEAN, this time, wiping everything out on the C
drive (all my music and pics and stuff are on D which I unplugged just
in case). Still having issues. Mostly the screen freezing up, usually
in patterns of purple and yellow lines. Or blue screen of death every
15-20 minutes. I'd have to reboot at least 40 times a day. I kid you
not. Microsoft technical support was not very helpful (yeah, called
them 6 times, they said they didn't know what to do for me). Finally
went on here and found some useful info (my video card sucks so thats
why it kept freezing up and giving me blue screen errors). Now,
evresince decreasing my video card hardware acceleration, its been
better but I still get at least one blue screen a day.

Have you tried checking if there are updated drivers for your video
card? Or checked to see if it is Vista compatible?

Maybe I will
get a better video card soon if I have money. I have bills to pay, ya
know? But for now I guess this will do. Then comes the problem with
aero. Thats why I frickin BOUGHT Vista. It looked rad. But then I find
out, after MUCh searching, that the reason why there is only the
'basic' vista theme, is because my hardware sucks and my videocard
can't handle the aero theme. Well that is just fine and frickin dandy.
So how about lets install some third party .msstyles to spice this
party up? OH NO NOT VISTA!! Now they are .theme files, not .msstyles
files, and you can't find .Theme files anywhere on the internet. So I
am stuck with one, basic, drab, crappy Vista theme all because the
upgrade advisor never told me that my hardware would suck and prevent
me from having an enjoyable vista experience. Vista, I hereby
pronounce you as the worst operating system peice of crap *ever*. I
wish I could go back to XP but all I have is the recovery disc that
came with my computer. The computer already had XP installed. Crap.
Well maybe I'll spend the $100 and get a new copy of XP. I bet I'll be
100% happier. Vista has been nothing but a nightmare and I *HATE* it
with a passion.
Thanks for letting me rant. The end.

Please, feel free to rant here anytime. You will find yourself joining
the chorus of people ranting about Vista. Good luck.

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[Nina DiBoy]

I protest that remark, no one is being sexist here, I resent that
statement by you and bek. Come on everyone grow up. If you want to
upgrade to a new OS you must do your homework, many of us have posted
many time that you must make sure that drivers exist for your hardware
you wish to install Vista on. And more than once recommendations have
been made as to the grade of hardware you need to install Vista. With
all due respect I do not have a lot of sympathy for those who "blindly"
upgrade to a new OS. This is no different than the previous transitions
from one OS to another.
G

There are people being sexist here in this group. It's sad that more
posters don't recognize it, or do but choose to ignore it. Bek, I'm
sorry you had to experience this. Most posters here have more sense
than that, there really are just a few bad apples as far as I can tell.

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[Lang Murphy]

I read that screed differently, as a broad critique of technology and its
purveyors rather than a narrow attack on Microsoft. The business model
of most technology companies is to sell what's hot and then move on to
the next hot thing. That means problems never really get fixed, they
merely get replaced with new problems.

Charlie

Yes, I got the larger picture of the broad critique and had nothing to add
to the thread in that respect. The OP did mention MS specifically.

Lang

 

[JustClickReply]

Mr. Linux,
I love my Vista, don't put a V8 in a VW.

 

[Lang Murphy]

You misunderstand my comments about hardware mfg. I didn't say there was
collusion to sell more hardware. Nor do I think it.
OK.

Microsoft want as many people as possible to buy computers to buy MS
software. Microsoft needs the package to be as cheap as possible. This has
been done by commoditising hardware. But not software, and especially not
operating systems. Vista (Ultimate Retail) is the most expensive part of
the computer.

What this means is that OEM have no pricing power. But MS does. So MS gets
a (call it a tax or call it rent - that's what economist call it) a more
than it's share cut. So a machine with Windows has to sell cheaper than
Macs (although MS goals are broader than that). The OEM is the one that
loses from this with consumers getting cheaper hardware and share the cost
reduction with MS (who has nothing to do with the hardware - so it's free
cash for MS - and they get is by not competing on software so software is
dearer).

There are alternative OS's. No one's put a gun to anyone's head and said
"You must use Windows." We choose to use Windows, for a variety of reasons.
The politics behind why MS is the 800 pound Gorilla in the OS world are of
little interest to me. I'm not saying it is not a subject worth exploring...
but it's an article I would pass over or lightly scan at best.

And there are alternatives to buying OEM PC's. Unfortunately, it's hard to
BYOPC cheaper than buying an OEM mid level PC although I'm sure one could
put together a pretty bitchin' PC for $1,500-2,000. And, if one were
dedicated to looking for sales, probably cheaper. But the days of building
my own computer are long gone. Another thing I have no interest in exploring
these days. So it's mid level OEM PC's for me.

A second point is that all traffic on the internet is charged by bytes. If
your ISP has certain plans and you think it's cheap then someone (another
customer of the ISP) is subsidising you.

Well... I understand your issue. It's not an issue for me. You may be paying
your ISP per byte. I do not pay my ISP per byte. Flat fee, no cap on
bandwidth.

So, yes, downloading patches sucks for someone with a bandwidth cap on their
ISP account.

Lang

 

[DL Sellers]

Good Evening:

In reading through the threads posted I thought I would respond to this
message in particular.

Over the years I have learned upgrades can cause havoc on a machine mainly
because a lot of the time either files are missing or are corrupt. It is
better [although I know expensive for most of us] to install the full-blown
version of any program. One suffers less pain, aggravation, headaches, loss
of time installing, uninstalling, or reformatting their systems.

TIP: The "Special Issue" Spring 2007 of MaximumPC Presents: The Ultimate
Guide to Windows Vista, has a disc included with the magazine which contains
a program named Vista Transformation Pack [do a Google search for the
program] that is free and supposedly will make your Windows XP look like you
upgraded to Windows Vista.

I hope this tip is not against the rules for this Newsgroup. If it is, I
deeply apologize and understand the removal of the offending tip.

Respectfully

 

[Pete]

There are alternative OS's. No one's put a gun to anyone's head and said

"You must use Windows." We choose to use Windows, for a variety of
reasons. The politics behind why MS is the 800 pound Gorilla in the OS
world are of little interest to me. I'm not saying it is not a subject
worth exploring... but it's an article I would pass over or lightly scan
at best.

MS is a near monopoly, and that fact makes it a public interest target. It's
not much different than the gas company, electric company, cable company in
a defined market, etc. These are all regulated and should be. MS exploits
the consumer just as these would. The 800 pound Gorilla in ANY market must
be controlled.
-Pete

 

[Gerard Seibert]

MS is a near monopoly, and that fact makes it a public interest
target. It's not much different than the gas company, electric
company, cable company in a defined market, etc. These are all
regulated and should be. MS exploits the consumer just as these
would. The 800 pound Gorilla in ANY market must be controlled.

That is what we need, more government control. Unlike 'cable' or
perhaps 'electric or gas companies' you are not forced to use Microsoft
products. There are dozens of Operating Systems available to choose
from. Personally, on my own small business network, I use FreeBSD for
both DNS and as a mail & web server. Because my employees like MS
Office, the workstations are outfitted with WinXP.

Microsoft is not exploiting me, nor anyone else with an IQ level greater
than his/her shoe size. I strongly suspect that you have little or no
knowledge of non-windows based products.


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___________ || feet under ground in a secret location ...
and I am not even too sure about that one.

Dennis Huges, F.B.I.

 

[Guest]

I chose to write a post 'ranting' abou vista because I'd already posted
several times for help in the technical forums, and also contacted Vista
support by phone about 6 times (each time of course, no one could figure out
the problem after 2 hours on the phone with me). So, yes, I chose to just
post a rant, so sue me. Vista has been better lately, which is good, it only
crashes maybe once a day. Everytime I go to look for new drivers for my video
card, Vista just says they are all up to date. Someone wanted to know what
video card I have? According to the device manager, it is "Intel(R)
82915G/GV/910 GL Express Chipset Family (Microsoft Corporation - XDDM). I
have no idea what that is, and I went to the Intel site for support, and
couldn't find much. Once I realized the problem (thanks to some helpful and
constructive users in this forum in one of my posts about my Vista issues), I
was able to do my best to correct it. Someone made the point that its not
Vista's fault my hardware sucks. I would like to point out that Everything as
fine on XP and I had no issues what-so-ever. So, yeah, it is Vista. And I
still say Vista is a giant bag of crap, but its a bag of crap I have to live
with because I paid for it, can't return it, and have gone from hating it to
just general apathy about the whole thing. I do say thank you to those who
have been courteous and helpful. To the rest of you jerks, thanks for
nothing, morons.

 

[Guest]

I actually did have the Vista Transformation pack when I used XP. It worked
fine for a while but then did something wonky to my computer so I uninstalled
it and just stuck to messing aroudn with .msstyles files for a better look
and feel on the computer.

Good Evening:

In reading through the threads posted I thought I would respond to this
message in particular.

Over the years I have learned upgrades can cause havoc on a machine mainly
because a lot of the time either files are missing or are corrupt. It is
better [although I know expensive for most of us] to install the full-blown
version of any program. One suffers less pain, aggravation, headaches, loss
of time installing, uninstalling, or reformatting their systems.

TIP: The "Special Issue" Spring 2007 of MaximumPC Presents: The Ultimate
Guide to Windows Vista, has a disc included with the magazine which contains
a program named Vista Transformation Pack [do a Google search for the
program] that is free and supposedly will make your Windows XP look like you
upgraded to Windows Vista.

I hope this tip is not against the rules for this Newsgroup. If it is, I
deeply apologize and understand the removal of the offending tip.

Respectfully

Frank wrote:


Hi Bek. I hear this from alot of people about the upgrade. That's why I
did a clean install.


I had the same problem with the upgrade advisor. It told me everything
would work fine with my current computer, but subsequently it took me 3
days and 6 network cards to find one that would work with Vista.


Have you tried checking if there are updated drivers for your video card?
Or checked to see if it is Vista compatible?


Please, feel free to rant here anytime. You will find yourself joining
the chorus of people ranting about Vista. Good luck.

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[Guest]

See here is where people get me confused with a moron. I *did* read the specs
first, and nothing told me that my video card wouldn't be compatible. I
looked online to check Vista out first, and nothing told me that my video
card wouldn't be compatible. Upgrade advisor didn't tell me that my video
card wuldn't be compatible. So I install it, only to find... my video card is
not compatible. So what type of research was I supposed to do, exactly? I
thought thats what I did by going to microsoft's website and checking out all
the requirements. In fact, I fullfilled those requirements to the best of my
knowledge, when I purchased another stick of 512mb of RAM. How would I have
known to do that, had I not done research?

Exactly. I wouldn't have.

 

[Guest]

Hopefully you'll check out my earlier retort posted minutes ago, where I
stated that I *had* done research, and nothing I read anywhere said anything
about my video card. If I hadn't done research then how did I know that I
needed another stick of RAM? Did no one really *read* my initial post? Guess
not.

 

[Guest]

Really? I want to be sure, because I can't afford another computer problem

 

[Guest]

Actually, I did research the requirements, and so that is why I bought
another stick of RAM. I couldn't find anything, anywhere, ever, that said my
video card wouldn't work properly. The way I found this out is of course,
after I installed the OS. So, where exactly, was I supposed to look for this
'dig deep' research about my particular video card?

 

[Guest]

Again, I will be a broken record. I foudn what hardware upgrades I needed,
and that is why I bought more RAM. So, obviously, I looked at some
information, somewhere, that TOLD me I needed more RAM. I'm not psychic, it
didn't just randomly pop into my head OH HAY I NEED MORE RAM PROBABLY!! No. I
did research to find out what I needed before I installed the god forsaken
thing. Hello. I stated this in my very first initial post that I upgraded the
RAM. No one reads carefully anymore, do they!

 

[Guest]

This computer is only 2 yars old, and its a pretty nice one, too. I DO blame
Vista, because XP ran just fine.

 

[Guest]

Ok, will do. First, 2 questions.

Where do i find this ISO for memtest, what is it, how do I use it, and uh,
.... what?