trouble closing IrfanView

[BillW50]

In

No I never heard this. And this is strange, since I have six Intel 915
machines and six Intel 945 machines. And I knew the 915 wasn't Aero
compatible. Although the story I heard was the hardware is compatible,
but the drivers are not. Nor do I understand the big deal. As I have
ran Windows 7 on both 915 and the 945. So Aero is missing on the 915.
I don't see the big deal about Aero anyway.

Oh yeah... and another thing. The Intel 915 can only support single core
CPUs. While the Intel 945 supports either. And I ran Windows 7 on single
core CPUs and I don't know why anybody would want too. As Windows 7 eats
up 300Mhz of a single core CPU just for itself at idle no less. Both
Vista and Windows 7 are ok (if you like that sort of thing) on multiple
core CPUs.

 

[Mayayana]

| Many of us are very pleased with our netbooks. I loved the first one so
| much, I bought two more.

I'm curious. Why do you want it? Why would you
want three? Do you want to be able to write letters
while sitting on the sofa, or something like that? In
other words, with a fullscale PC being so cheap, I
don't see why anyone would want any kind of laptop/
notebook unless they need it for mobile usage, since
one gives up the larger screen, the good mouse, and
the full-size keyboard. So, thinking that, I find it
incomprehensible that anyone would want a netbook.
It's just an even smaller screen and keyboard. I could
understand it to save money, but it doesn't really save
money. A Compaq Presario can be had for about $300.
(And clearly with 3 netbooks and 12 PCs, saving money
is not tops on your list of priorities.

 

[BillW50]

| Many of us are very pleased with our netbooks. I loved the first one so
| much, I bought two more.

I'm curious. Why do you want it? Why would you
want three? Do you want to be able to write letters
while sitting on the sofa, or something like that? In
other words, with a fullscale PC being so cheap, I
don't see why anyone would want any kind of laptop/
notebook unless they need it for mobile usage, since
one gives up the larger screen, the good mouse, and
the full-size keyboard. So, thinking that, I find it
incomprehensible that anyone would want a netbook.
It's just an even smaller screen and keyboard. I could
understand it to save money, but it doesn't really save
money. A Compaq Presario can be had for about $300.
(And clearly with 3 netbooks and 12 PCs, saving money
is not tops on your list of priorities.

Well being a hardware engineer and a computer aficionado, so I'm in an
unique position. So maybe that helps. And my first laptop was back in
'84 and I loved it. Today it would be called a netbook since it was so
small. Although I did favor desktops pretty much for my main machines
until '05 when I retired my last desktop. Even my game machines are
laptops (Alienware desktop replacements actually).

Yes I know netbook screens are small (I actually like 7 inch screens the
best). And the keyboards are small (although I have learned to type well
on them). And many laptop users use a real mouse anyway and you can do
the same with a netbook. And being very nearsighted, I like smaller
screens better than large screens. Big screens are ok if they are within
a foot or less from my eyes. But that isn't likely, now is it.

And you can hook up netbooks to external monitors, keyboards, etc. So
that excuse doesn't wash with me. But you ask why pay for such a system
when you can get a desktop or even a laptop to do the very same thing
for about the same price or even less?

Ah... you got me there. For most I guess it doesn't make sense. And I
remember when Asus was first in coming out with a netbook (I don't think
the term netbook was invented yet). And all of the experts said who
would buy such a machine and they all laughed at the idea. Well Asus
started selling them in the millions and then they stopped laughing. And
almost all of the other manufactures (Apple said they wouldn't ever sell
a netbook) quickly developed their own line of netbooks. And the rest is
history. ;-)

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when
there is nothing left to take away."
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
French writer (1900 - 1944)

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Many of us are very pleased with our netbooks. I loved the first one so
much, I bought two more. I even hooked one up to an external monitor,
keyboard, and mouse and only used that one for two months straight. I
didn't know if I could get by with just a netbook for that long. And it
performed far pass my expectations. Ran all of my Office stuff, played
my videos, music, and I even converted video formats with them. Despite
many beliefs, they are real computers and are totally Windows
compatible. I never found one program that wouldn't run on them yet. ;-)

I hate the word "netbook." A netbook is nothing more than a notebook
that is smaller and lighter than most other notebooks, and it doesn't
really need a special name. So there's really no issue with a program
that won't run on a netbook.

I have only one netbook (an EEE), and like you, I like it a lot. But
what I like about it is that it is small and light, and it's therefore
very easy to take with me when I travel. I run Windows 7 Ultimate on
mine, and although it's very slow, its lack of speed doesn't create a
problem for me at all, since I use it for very little other than
e-mail (Microsoft Outlook) when traveling.

 

[BillW50]

In

I guess I, for one, just don't see it as being that analagous to car
insurance.

Me either. Although 10 or so years ago I added up all of the money I
paid for car insurance in my life. And it added up to way over $30
grand. And how much have I ever got back? Zero. That is a bit depressing
if you ask me.

Actually "need" one? Seems pretty unlikely, from what I've seen.
Even SP3 didn't add anything I needed. The only reason I went to SP3
was in the hopes of eliminating an intermittent svchost bug that I
picked up some time ago, which it fortunately did. I figured there
would be a fair chance, given the magnitude of SP3, and I was lucky.

SP3 also contains KB909095 "The computer occasionally does not
hibernate" which fixed my hibernation problem on my machines with 1GB or
more of RAM. Although you can download this separately too and don't
need SP3 for this. The rest of SP3 actually made things worse for me.

Nah. (but yes, I was burned once or twice on that, too).

The more one experiments with NOT updating, the more pleasant computers
becomes. ;-)

I feel the same way.


I've got Office 2000, too, and that's as much as I need. In fact
it's more than I need. (And then the later versions came out
with that silly ribbon bar thing, as I recallhearing).

Same here. I also don't like the looks of the newer versions for one.

Same here.
They keep adding all these bells and whistles that many of us don't
need, and what's more, don't WANT. And all the consequent BLOAT,
too.
Here's another classic example: Adobe Audition 1.5 (like Cool Edit
Pro), was a nice audio editor, but the newer versions of Audition are
bloated, and have that dumbed down panel on the left side, which
takes up so much screen space, etc.

I believed for decades that developers somehow believe they need the
most massive computers with all of the bells and whistles to program
with. And sure all of that bloat runs fine on such $10,000+ machines.
Then they wonder why many people prefer the older less bloated versions
better. Go figure.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Me either. Although 10 or so years ago I added up all of the money I
paid for car insurance in my life. And it added up to way over $30
grand. And how much have I ever got back? Zero. That is a bit depressing
if you ask me.

That's one way to look at it, but personally, if I never have to
collect on my car insurance (or any other kind of insurance) I'm very
happy about it.

 

[BillW50]

In

That's one way to look at it, but personally, if I never have to
collect on my car insurance (or any other kind of insurance) I'm very
happy about it.

Same here, except for health insurance. Although they still got off
cheaply. As they only paid partly for routine checkups. And yes, I
suppose paying and not collecting anything is actually better. Although
most insurance companies I hear tell that only insures those that never
has a claim and refuses those who really does need insurance. So what
kind of risk is that? It sounds more like a racket to me. :-(

 

[Jo-Anne]

You Using Win XP With a OE-6.

I hope the XP is a Sp3,
with Internet Explore 8,
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 or above..

If so Uninstall and Reinstall Irfan View....

Yes, using SP3 fully updated, IE8, and the latest OE (not that the program
has been updated in years). Tried uninstalling and reinstalling IrfanView,
and no change.

Jo-Anne

 

[Ken Springer]

Yes, using SP3 fully updated, IE8, and the latest OE (not that the program
has been updated in years). Tried uninstalling and reinstalling IrfanView,
and no change.

Hi, Jo-Anne,

Lots of discussion, but very little about your problem. Myself and
others got off on to a totally different subject, and *all* of us should
have known better. It's simply poor Netiquette and should not have been
allowed. For my part, I apologize.

As for your problem...

The assumption is, the problem is Irfanview, which I also use on my
Windows computers.

Maybe the problem is OE. If you've tried the other suggestions, as
a crosscheck I would download and install a one or two other email
clients. Do you have the same problem the other email clients? If not,
my conclusion would be the problem is OE, and not Irfanview.

If you choose to try different email clients, make sure you set the new
"test" clients to leave the email on the server, do not delete the
server copy. Then when you check your email normally, the emails will
be available to your normal email client, presumably OE, to download and
be placed in your normally used mailboxes.

My point is, you may be looking in the wrong place for the solution. I
had a problem with an MS high priority update one time. I and MS Tech
Support thought/believed the update was the problem. MS gave up. I
kept dinking around, and the cause of the problem was the LAN card, not
the update.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

 

[Jo-Anne]

Hi, Jo-Anne,

Lots of discussion, but very little about your problem. Myself and others
got off on to a totally different subject, and *all* of us should have
known better. It's simply poor Netiquette and should not have been
allowed. For my part, I apologize.

As for your problem...

The assumption is, the problem is Irfanview, which I also use on my
Windows computers.

Maybe the problem is OE. If you've tried the other suggestions, as a
crosscheck I would download and install a one or two other email clients.
Do you have the same problem the other email clients? If not, my
conclusion would be the problem is OE, and not Irfanview.

If you choose to try different email clients, make sure you set the new
"test" clients to leave the email on the server, do not delete the server
copy. Then when you check your email normally, the emails will be
available to your normal email client, presumably OE, to download and be
placed in your normally used mailboxes.

My point is, you may be looking in the wrong place for the solution. I
had a problem with an MS high priority update one time. I and MS Tech
Support thought/believed the update was the problem. MS gave up. I kept
dinking around, and the cause of the problem was the LAN card, not the
update.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

Thank you, Ken! No need to apologize. I was enjoying the offshoot
conversation but realized I hadn't replied to the suggestions I got early
on. You may well be right about OE being the problem. I've been meaning to
try Thunderbird--since, if I move to a new computer with Windows 7, I won't
be able to stay with OE anyway unless I use XP mode, which I've heard is
slow. I'll be pretty much offline for a few weeks; when I get back on, I'll
experiment with the email.

Thank you again!

Jo-Anne

 

[Ken Springer]

Thank you, Ken! No need to apologize. I was enjoying the offshoot
conversation but realized I hadn't replied to the suggestions I got early
on. You may well be right about OE being the problem. I've been meaning to
try Thunderbird--since, if I move to a new computer with Windows 7, I won't
be able to stay with OE anyway unless I use XP mode, which I've heard is
slow. I'll be pretty much offline for a few weeks; when I get back on, I'll
experiment with the email.

You're welcome, Jo-Anne.

TB is easy and quick to set up if you're familiar with setting up the
accounts. Feel free to holler, or go to Mozilla's Thunderbird newsgroup
for assistance. news.mozilla.org


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

 

[Bast]

You Using Win XP With a OE-6.

I hope the XP is a Sp3,
with Internet Explore 8,
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 or above..

If so Uninstall and Reinstall Irfan View....

SP2 should never be changed, the upgrade to SP3 never worked properly on
any machine I installed it on.

Personally I think the OP just needs to COMPLETELY remove and reinstall
Irfanview.
(not just reinstall over the old copy)
.....Probably just a registry corruption issue, that a fresh install should
fix

 

[Jo-Anne]

SP2 should never be changed, the upgrade to SP3 never worked properly on
any machine I installed it on.

Personally I think the OP just needs to COMPLETELY remove and reinstall
Irfanview.
(not just reinstall over the old copy)
....Probably just a registry corruption issue, that a fresh install should
fix

Didn't work, Bast. I removed the program through Add/Remove Programs and
reinstalled. No change.

 

[Jo-Anne]

You're welcome, Jo-Anne.

TB is easy and quick to set up if you're familiar with setting up the
accounts. Feel free to holler, or go to Mozilla's Thunderbird newsgroup
for assistance. news.mozilla.org


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

Thank you again, Ken! Does TB allow for more than one identity? I have an
"Archive" identity in OE that I definitely want to export. Or is that what's
considered an account? In OE, I have five accounts in my current
identity--different email addresses that all come to my inbox; and then I
have the same accounts in my archive identity.

Jo-Anne

 

[Patok]

Thank you again, Ken! Does TB allow for more than one identity? I have an
"Archive" identity in OE that I definitely want to export. Or is that what's
considered an account? In OE, I have five accounts in my current
identity--different email addresses that all come to my inbox; and then I
have the same accounts in my archive identity.

Thunderbird allows for different accounts - that is, servers to
connect to, each with a different username and password - and for
different identities for each account. When you write a message, you
select one of the identities in the From: drop-down list, which
determines both what name/e-mail is displayed and which outgoing server
to use.
As to where the incoming messages go, that mostly depends on how you
access the accounts. I think you can make them all go to the same inbox
if you're accessing them via POP. I've not done that for a very long
time, so I forget. If you access them via IMAP - like I do with the
gmail accounts - then they stay on the server *and* locally if you tell
TB to do it (that way you can read your emails when not online). You can
drag and drop messages between the different account folders too. What I
do is have lots of local folders with different subjects and from time
to time, when I feel like organizing, I drag and drop messages that I
want to keep into their corresponding subject folders. This is
especially handy for newsgroup messages in some of the programming
groups; before it was possible, I used to print them, and still have
boxes of such around, mostly useless now.
It seems the concept of identity in OE is slightly different? I've
never ever used anything with "outlook" in its name, so I don't know.
And what I wrote is about TB 2.0; I uninstalled TB 3 after 5 minutes of
use.

 

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Jo-Anne,


Yes, TB does allow for identities, but I don't use them.
http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/search?q=identity will take
you to a TB search page for identities you can read.

<snip>

A discussion of identities is OT for your post about Irfanview, so I'll
email you my thoughts on identities and their use.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

 

[Ken Springer]

A discussion of identities is OT for your post about Irfanview, so I'll
email you my thoughts on identities and their use.

Oops. LOL (Didn't Rick Perry recently use that word?) LOL

I thought I had your email address, but was thinking of someone else.
If you're interested in what I was going to say, send an email. My
address is valid.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

 

[Jo-Anne]

Thunderbird allows for different accounts - that is, servers to connect
to, each with a different username and password - and for different
identities for each account. When you write a message, you select one of
the identities in the From: drop-down list, which determines both what
name/e-mail is displayed and which outgoing server to use.
As to where the incoming messages go, that mostly depends on how you
access the accounts. I think you can make them all go to the same inbox if
you're accessing them via POP. I've not done that for a very long time, so
I forget. If you access them via IMAP - like I do with the gmail
accounts - then they stay on the server *and* locally if you tell TB to do
it (that way you can read your emails when not online). You can drag and
drop messages between the different account folders too. What I do is have
lots of local folders with different subjects and from time to time, when
I feel like organizing, I drag and drop messages that I want to keep into
their corresponding subject folders. This is especially handy for
newsgroup messages in some of the programming groups; before it was
possible, I used to print them, and still have boxes of such around,
mostly useless now.
It seems the concept of identity in OE is slightly different? I've never
ever used anything with "outlook" in its name, so I don't know. And what I
wrote is about TB 2.0; I uninstalled TB 3 after 5 minutes of use.

Thank you, Patok! I'll give TB a try.

Jo-Anne

 

[Bast]

Didn't work, Bast. I removed the program through Add/Remove Programs and
reinstalled. No change.

try using the UNINSTALL in Irfanview itself (from your program menu)

As Irfan view is updated often try downloading a new/different version.

And since Windows can be pretty ignorant most of the time, remove the old
one, shut down and reboot.
Then shut down and reboot a second time
Then install the new copy to a different directory.

Depending on your comfort level, try manually making sure all signs of the
previous install is actually gone before reloading

 

[Jo-Anne]

try using the UNINSTALL in Irfanview itself (from your program menu)

As Irfan view is updated often try downloading a new/different version.

And since Windows can be pretty ignorant most of the time, remove the old
one, shut down and reboot.
Then shut down and reboot a second time
Then install the new copy to a different directory.

Depending on your comfort level, try manually making sure all signs of the
previous install is actually gone before reloading

Thank you for the suggestions, Bast! I'm going to be away for a bit, but I
might try them on my return. I've installed FastStone Viewer in the
meantime, and so far I actually like it better than IrfanView.

Jo-Anne