Restore Points - Back Ups >>>>>> ?

G

Guest

Lately I tried several System Restore Points and all failed: System reported
back it cannot be restored to the chosen point.
I have on various occassions been let down with RPs, some at critical moments.

My question is: Can a RP be saved (Backed Up) in another directory other
than C:\System Volume Information?
If in the affermative, will it work by dragging it back to the
above-mentioned folder?
 
W

Will Denny

Hi Anthony

The System Restore checkpoints can't be backed-up and used at a later date.
Only those checkpoints in the System Volume Information folder are
available.
 
G

Guest

Hi Denny - and greetings from Malta.
Thanks for replying.
Do you have any idea why they become so corrupted that none could restore
back?
 
M

Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)

Anthony

Update your anti-virus and run it.. ensure that it is a new version..

Turn off System Restore.. reboot

Turn on System Restore.. reboot

You now have a working restore point..
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

The SR checkpoints can become corrupted by a virus for instance. Have you
recently run a virus-check on your system? When they do become corrupted -
System Restore has either to be turned off/on to clear them or all but the
last checkpoint have to be deleted.
 
G

Guest

OK guys, I get the point - the thing is that I keep my System squeeky "clean"
and weekly NAV scans report no Adware, spyware or Viruses. I do however have
frequent System Crashes (Stop Errors), which might be the suspected
candidates.
Thanks again for your time and suggestions.
 
M

Malke

Anthony said:
OK guys, I get the point - the thing is that I keep my System squeeky
"clean" and weekly NAV scans report no Adware, spyware or Viruses. I
do however have frequent System Crashes (Stop Errors), which might be
the suspected candidates.
Thanks again for your time and suggestions.

Without more information from you such as the text of the Stop Errors,
it's not possible to give you a specific diagnosis, but frequent system
crashes are not normal. You could have bad RAM, other failing hardware
components, overheating, bad drivers, etc. Since you know your system
is clean, I've got two suggestions:

1. Keep track of the Stop Errors to help narrow down the cause of the
crashes. Here's a link to where you can research your Stop Errors:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm

2. If that doesn't get you anywhere, do some clean-boot troubleshooting:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=310353

3. And here are some general hardware troubleshooting steps:

1) Open the computer and run it open, cleaning out all dust bunnies and
observing all fans (overheating will cause system freezing). Obviously
you can't do this with a laptop, but you can hear if the fan is running
and feel if the laptop is getting too hot.

2) Test the RAM - I like Memtest86+ from www.memtest.org. Obviously, you
have to get the program from a working machine. You will either
download the precompiled Windows binary to make a bootable floppy or
the .iso to make a bootable cd. If you want to use the latter, you'll
need to have third-party burning software on the machine where you
download the file - XP's built-in burning capability won't do the job.
In either case, boot with the media you made. The test will run
immediately. Let the test run for an extended period of time - unless
errors are seen immediately. If you get any errors, replace the RAM.

3) Test the hard drive with a diagnostic utility from the mftr. Usually
you will download the file and make a bootable floppy with it. Boot
with the media and do a thorough test. If the drive has physical
errors, replace it.

4) The power supply may be going bad or be inadequate for the devices
you have in the system - this isn't applicable to a laptop, of course.

5) Test the motherboard with something like TuffTest from
www.tufftest.com. Sometimes this is useful, and sometimes it isn't.

Let us know if you need more help. Please make sure to include pertinent
details about the system, Stop Errors, and any t-shooting you've
already done.

Malke
 
G

Guest

Hey Malke, that was one lotta bit of info! Thanks. I started off with Restore
Points, now it's the dreaded Blue Screens. I have done most of the
suggestions you offered, including the Mem test which another MVP suggested.
I let it run all night with no errors detected.

Both hard drives were thoroughly tested with Western Digital's tools: again
no mishaps. Apart from my System being clean from malicious residents, I keep
my Hardware in a very good condition (I even clean the extractor fan on the
PSU). But your remark on the Power Supply made me think. Pls can you have a
look at my specs and offer some advice. I replaced the PSU a year ago for a
250W unit.

The STOP ERRORS are intermittent: sometimes I get 3 in a day, then a couple
of days with no problems. I send reports to MS, but the standard reply is
that " a device driver caused the error...".
This the most common Stop Error the system throws up:

*** STOP: 0x0000008E (0XC0000005, 0X80584DDA, 0XEE0F896C, 0X00000000)

I apologies at inundating you with details, but I am taking on your offer of
help, and I am desperate and paranoid, saving Word and Excel files every 2
minutes in fear of a crash.
--------[ Summary - GENIUS-P3 ]-----------------------------

Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 650 MHz (6.5 x 100)

Motherboard Chipset VIA VT82C693A Apollo Pro133
System Memory 448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (01/12/00)

Display:
Video Adapter RADEON 7000 SERIES (64 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI RV100 DDR
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (6121234)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Creative SB Live! Sound Card

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
Disk Drive WDC WD800BB-00JKA0 (74 GB, IDE)
Disk Drive SAMSUNG SV2044D (18 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/66)
Disk Drive OTi2168 Flash Disk USB Device (117 MB, USB)

Optical Drive PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D (DVD+RW:8x/4x,
DVD-RW:8x/4x, DVD-ROM:12x, CD:24x/24x/40x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)

Optical Drive SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621 (16x/40x DVD-ROM)

SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 10244 MB (5519 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 51207 MB (32125 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 14864 MB (11926 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 6149 MB (3359 MB free)
G: (NTFS) 6110 MB (5694 MB free)


Network:
Network Adapter CNet PRO200 PCI Fast
Ethernet Adapter (213.217.229.197)
Modem Best Data Data Fax Modem

VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

DMI BIOS Vendor Award Software
International, Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 4.51 PG
DMI Motherboard Product 693-596-W977TF

Motherboard 01/12/2000-693-596-W977T-2A6LGX4CC-00
Motherboard A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME
==========================================================================
 
M

Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)

Anthony

Try this out.. it computes your power supply requirements.. I get it close
to 371 watts..

http://www.adecy.com/psu/

If all you have is a 250 watt ps, it is not surprising that your system
crashes out

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user







Anthony said:
Hey Malke, that was one lotta bit of info! Thanks. I started off with
Restore
Points, now it's the dreaded Blue Screens. I have done most of the
suggestions you offered, including the Mem test which another MVP
suggested.
I let it run all night with no errors detected.

Both hard drives were thoroughly tested with Western Digital's tools:
again
no mishaps. Apart from my System being clean from malicious residents, I
keep
my Hardware in a very good condition (I even clean the extractor fan on
the
PSU). But your remark on the Power Supply made me think. Pls can you have
a
look at my specs and offer some advice. I replaced the PSU a year ago for
a
250W unit.

The STOP ERRORS are intermittent: sometimes I get 3 in a day, then a
couple
of days with no problems. I send reports to MS, but the standard reply is
that " a device driver caused the error...".
This the most common Stop Error the system throws up:

*** STOP: 0x0000008E (0XC0000005, 0X80584DDA, 0XEE0F896C, 0X00000000)

I apologies at inundating you with details, but I am taking on your offer
of
help, and I am desperate and paranoid, saving Word and Excel files every 2
minutes in fear of a crash.
--------[ Summary - GENIUS-P3 ]-----------------------------

Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 650 MHz (6.5 x 100)

Motherboard Chipset VIA VT82C693A Apollo Pro133
System Memory 448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (01/12/00)

Display:
Video Adapter RADEON 7000 SERIES (64 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI RV100 DDR
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (6121234)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Creative SB Live! Sound Card

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
Disk Drive WDC WD800BB-00JKA0 (74 GB, IDE)
Disk Drive SAMSUNG SV2044D (18 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/66)
Disk Drive OTi2168 Flash Disk USB Device (117 MB, USB)

Optical Drive PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D (DVD+RW:8x/4x,
DVD-RW:8x/4x, DVD-ROM:12x, CD:24x/24x/40x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)

Optical Drive SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621 (16x/40x DVD-ROM)

SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 10244 MB (5519 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 51207 MB (32125 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 14864 MB (11926 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 6149 MB (3359 MB free)
G: (NTFS) 6110 MB (5694 MB free)


Network:
Network Adapter CNet PRO200 PCI
Fast
Ethernet Adapter (213.217.229.197)
Modem Best Data Data Fax Modem

VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

DMI BIOS Vendor Award Software
International, Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 4.51 PG
DMI Motherboard Product 693-596-W977TF

Motherboard 01/12/2000-693-596-W977T-2A6LGX4CC-00
Motherboard A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME
==========================================================================




Malke said:
Without more information from you such as the text of the Stop Errors,
it's not possible to give you a specific diagnosis, but frequent system
crashes are not normal. You could have bad RAM, other failing hardware
components, overheating, bad drivers, etc. Since you know your system
is clean, I've got two suggestions:

1. Keep track of the Stop Errors to help narrow down the cause of the
crashes. Here's a link to where you can research your Stop Errors:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm

2. If that doesn't get you anywhere, do some clean-boot troubleshooting:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=310353

3. And here are some general hardware troubleshooting steps:

1) Open the computer and run it open, cleaning out all dust bunnies and
observing all fans (overheating will cause system freezing). Obviously
you can't do this with a laptop, but you can hear if the fan is running
and feel if the laptop is getting too hot.

2) Test the RAM - I like Memtest86+ from www.memtest.org. Obviously, you
have to get the program from a working machine. You will either
download the precompiled Windows binary to make a bootable floppy or
the .iso to make a bootable cd. If you want to use the latter, you'll
need to have third-party burning software on the machine where you
download the file - XP's built-in burning capability won't do the job.
In either case, boot with the media you made. The test will run
immediately. Let the test run for an extended period of time - unless
errors are seen immediately. If you get any errors, replace the RAM.

3) Test the hard drive with a diagnostic utility from the mftr. Usually
you will download the file and make a bootable floppy with it. Boot
with the media and do a thorough test. If the drive has physical
errors, replace it.

4) The power supply may be going bad or be inadequate for the devices
you have in the system - this isn't applicable to a laptop, of course.

5) Test the motherboard with something like TuffTest from
www.tufftest.com. Sometimes this is useful, and sometimes it isn't.

Let us know if you need more help. Please make sure to include pertinent
details about the system, Stop Errors, and any t-shooting you've
already done.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
www.elephantboycomputers.com
In Memoriam - MVP Alex Nichol
The world is diminished without him.
 
G

Guest

Mike, I tried out the site: got more or less your readings.
If this is going to solve my 3month-long saga with Blue Screens, I will name
my next computer after you! :)
Pity the PC Store did not point this out when I bought the new PSU: it cost
me Lm24.00 (that's 60 USD your money).

Thank you everyone - all replies were very helpful and I am keeping a copy.
Will come back to this post after I have bought a new PSU and tried it out.

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) said:
Anthony

Try this out.. it computes your power supply requirements.. I get it close
to 371 watts..

http://www.adecy.com/psu/

If all you have is a 250 watt ps, it is not surprising that your system
crashes out

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user







Anthony said:
Hey Malke, that was one lotta bit of info! Thanks. I started off with
Restore
Points, now it's the dreaded Blue Screens. I have done most of the
suggestions you offered, including the Mem test which another MVP
suggested.
I let it run all night with no errors detected.

Both hard drives were thoroughly tested with Western Digital's tools:
again
no mishaps. Apart from my System being clean from malicious residents, I
keep
my Hardware in a very good condition (I even clean the extractor fan on
the
PSU). But your remark on the Power Supply made me think. Pls can you have
a
look at my specs and offer some advice. I replaced the PSU a year ago for
a
250W unit.

The STOP ERRORS are intermittent: sometimes I get 3 in a day, then a
couple
of days with no problems. I send reports to MS, but the standard reply is
that " a device driver caused the error...".
This the most common Stop Error the system throws up:

*** STOP: 0x0000008E (0XC0000005, 0X80584DDA, 0XEE0F896C, 0X00000000)

I apologies at inundating you with details, but I am taking on your offer
of
help, and I am desperate and paranoid, saving Word and Excel files every 2
minutes in fear of a crash.
--------[ Summary - GENIUS-P3 ]-----------------------------

Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 650 MHz (6.5 x 100)

Motherboard Chipset VIA VT82C693A Apollo Pro133
System Memory 448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (01/12/00)

Display:
Video Adapter RADEON 7000 SERIES (64 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI RV100 DDR
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (6121234)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Creative SB Live! Sound Card

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
Disk Drive WDC WD800BB-00JKA0 (74 GB, IDE)
Disk Drive SAMSUNG SV2044D (18 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/66)
Disk Drive OTi2168 Flash Disk USB Device (117 MB, USB)

Optical Drive PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D (DVD+RW:8x/4x,
DVD-RW:8x/4x, DVD-ROM:12x, CD:24x/24x/40x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)

Optical Drive SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621 (16x/40x DVD-ROM)

SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 10244 MB (5519 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 51207 MB (32125 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 14864 MB (11926 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 6149 MB (3359 MB free)
G: (NTFS) 6110 MB (5694 MB free)


Network:
Network Adapter CNet PRO200 PCI
Fast
Ethernet Adapter (213.217.229.197)
Modem Best Data Data Fax Modem

VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

DMI BIOS Vendor Award Software
International, Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 4.51 PG
DMI Motherboard Product 693-596-W977TF

Motherboard 01/12/2000-693-596-W977T-2A6LGX4CC-00
Motherboard A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME
==========================================================================




Malke said:
Anthony wrote:

OK guys, I get the point - the thing is that I keep my System squeeky
"clean" and weekly NAV scans report no Adware, spyware or Viruses. I
do however have frequent System Crashes (Stop Errors), which might be
the suspected candidates.
Thanks again for your time and suggestions.

Without more information from you such as the text of the Stop Errors,
it's not possible to give you a specific diagnosis, but frequent system
crashes are not normal. You could have bad RAM, other failing hardware
components, overheating, bad drivers, etc. Since you know your system
is clean, I've got two suggestions:

1. Keep track of the Stop Errors to help narrow down the cause of the
crashes. Here's a link to where you can research your Stop Errors:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm

2. If that doesn't get you anywhere, do some clean-boot troubleshooting:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=310353

3. And here are some general hardware troubleshooting steps:

1) Open the computer and run it open, cleaning out all dust bunnies and
observing all fans (overheating will cause system freezing). Obviously
you can't do this with a laptop, but you can hear if the fan is running
and feel if the laptop is getting too hot.

2) Test the RAM - I like Memtest86+ from www.memtest.org. Obviously, you
have to get the program from a working machine. You will either
download the precompiled Windows binary to make a bootable floppy or
the .iso to make a bootable cd. If you want to use the latter, you'll
need to have third-party burning software on the machine where you
download the file - XP's built-in burning capability won't do the job.
In either case, boot with the media you made. The test will run
immediately. Let the test run for an extended period of time - unless
errors are seen immediately. If you get any errors, replace the RAM.

3) Test the hard drive with a diagnostic utility from the mftr. Usually
you will download the file and make a bootable floppy with it. Boot
with the media and do a thorough test. If the drive has physical
errors, replace it.

4) The power supply may be going bad or be inadequate for the devices
you have in the system - this isn't applicable to a laptop, of course.

5) Test the motherboard with something like TuffTest from
www.tufftest.com. Sometimes this is useful, and sometimes it isn't.

Let us know if you need more help. Please make sure to include pertinent
details about the system, Stop Errors, and any t-shooting you've
already done.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
www.elephantboycomputers.com
In Memoriam - MVP Alex Nichol
The world is diminished without him.
 
G

Guest

P.S. Should have signed Anthony not Twanny - anyway, it's the same thing
over here.
Sorry for the confusion.
------------------------------------

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) said:
Anthony

Try this out.. it computes your power supply requirements.. I get it close
to 371 watts..

http://www.adecy.com/psu/

If all you have is a 250 watt ps, it is not surprising that your system
crashes out

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user







Anthony said:
Hey Malke, that was one lotta bit of info! Thanks. I started off with
Restore
Points, now it's the dreaded Blue Screens. I have done most of the
suggestions you offered, including the Mem test which another MVP
suggested.
I let it run all night with no errors detected.

Both hard drives were thoroughly tested with Western Digital's tools:
again
no mishaps. Apart from my System being clean from malicious residents, I
keep
my Hardware in a very good condition (I even clean the extractor fan on
the
PSU). But your remark on the Power Supply made me think. Pls can you have
a
look at my specs and offer some advice. I replaced the PSU a year ago for
a
250W unit.

The STOP ERRORS are intermittent: sometimes I get 3 in a day, then a
couple
of days with no problems. I send reports to MS, but the standard reply is
that " a device driver caused the error...".
This the most common Stop Error the system throws up:

*** STOP: 0x0000008E (0XC0000005, 0X80584DDA, 0XEE0F896C, 0X00000000)

I apologies at inundating you with details, but I am taking on your offer
of
help, and I am desperate and paranoid, saving Word and Excel files every 2
minutes in fear of a crash.
--------[ Summary - GENIUS-P3 ]-----------------------------

Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 650 MHz (6.5 x 100)

Motherboard Chipset VIA VT82C693A Apollo Pro133
System Memory 448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (01/12/00)

Display:
Video Adapter RADEON 7000 SERIES (64 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI RV100 DDR
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (6121234)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Creative SB Live! Sound Card

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
Disk Drive WDC WD800BB-00JKA0 (74 GB, IDE)
Disk Drive SAMSUNG SV2044D (18 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/66)
Disk Drive OTi2168 Flash Disk USB Device (117 MB, USB)

Optical Drive PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D (DVD+RW:8x/4x,
DVD-RW:8x/4x, DVD-ROM:12x, CD:24x/24x/40x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)

Optical Drive SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621 (16x/40x DVD-ROM)

SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 10244 MB (5519 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 51207 MB (32125 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 14864 MB (11926 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 6149 MB (3359 MB free)
G: (NTFS) 6110 MB (5694 MB free)


Network:
Network Adapter CNet PRO200 PCI
Fast
Ethernet Adapter (213.217.229.197)
Modem Best Data Data Fax Modem

VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

DMI BIOS Vendor Award Software
International, Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 4.51 PG
DMI Motherboard Product 693-596-W977TF

Motherboard 01/12/2000-693-596-W977T-2A6LGX4CC-00
Motherboard A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME
==========================================================================




Malke said:
Anthony wrote:

OK guys, I get the point - the thing is that I keep my System squeeky
"clean" and weekly NAV scans report no Adware, spyware or Viruses. I
do however have frequent System Crashes (Stop Errors), which might be
the suspected candidates.
Thanks again for your time and suggestions.

Without more information from you such as the text of the Stop Errors,
it's not possible to give you a specific diagnosis, but frequent system
crashes are not normal. You could have bad RAM, other failing hardware
components, overheating, bad drivers, etc. Since you know your system
is clean, I've got two suggestions:

1. Keep track of the Stop Errors to help narrow down the cause of the
crashes. Here's a link to where you can research your Stop Errors:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm

2. If that doesn't get you anywhere, do some clean-boot troubleshooting:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=310353

3. And here are some general hardware troubleshooting steps:

1) Open the computer and run it open, cleaning out all dust bunnies and
observing all fans (overheating will cause system freezing). Obviously
you can't do this with a laptop, but you can hear if the fan is running
and feel if the laptop is getting too hot.

2) Test the RAM - I like Memtest86+ from www.memtest.org. Obviously, you
have to get the program from a working machine. You will either
download the precompiled Windows binary to make a bootable floppy or
the .iso to make a bootable cd. If you want to use the latter, you'll
need to have third-party burning software on the machine where you
download the file - XP's built-in burning capability won't do the job.
In either case, boot with the media you made. The test will run
immediately. Let the test run for an extended period of time - unless
errors are seen immediately. If you get any errors, replace the RAM.

3) Test the hard drive with a diagnostic utility from the mftr. Usually
you will download the file and make a bootable floppy with it. Boot
with the media and do a thorough test. If the drive has physical
errors, replace it.

4) The power supply may be going bad or be inadequate for the devices
you have in the system - this isn't applicable to a laptop, of course.

5) Test the motherboard with something like TuffTest from
www.tufftest.com. Sometimes this is useful, and sometimes it isn't.

Let us know if you need more help. Please make sure to include pertinent
details about the system, Stop Errors, and any t-shooting you've
already done.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
www.elephantboycomputers.com
In Memoriam - MVP Alex Nichol
The world is diminished without him.
 
G

Guest

P.S. Should have signed Anthony not Twanny - anyway, it's the same thing
over here.
Sorry for the confusion.
------------------------------------

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) said:
Anthony

Try this out.. it computes your power supply requirements.. I get it close
to 371 watts..

http://www.adecy.com/psu/

If all you have is a 250 watt ps, it is not surprising that your system
crashes out

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user







Anthony said:
Hey Malke, that was one lotta bit of info! Thanks. I started off with
Restore
Points, now it's the dreaded Blue Screens. I have done most of the
suggestions you offered, including the Mem test which another MVP
suggested.
I let it run all night with no errors detected.

Both hard drives were thoroughly tested with Western Digital's tools:
again
no mishaps. Apart from my System being clean from malicious residents, I
keep
my Hardware in a very good condition (I even clean the extractor fan on
the
PSU). But your remark on the Power Supply made me think. Pls can you have
a
look at my specs and offer some advice. I replaced the PSU a year ago for
a
250W unit.

The STOP ERRORS are intermittent: sometimes I get 3 in a day, then a
couple
of days with no problems. I send reports to MS, but the standard reply is
that " a device driver caused the error...".
This the most common Stop Error the system throws up:

*** STOP: 0x0000008E (0XC0000005, 0X80584DDA, 0XEE0F896C, 0X00000000)

I apologies at inundating you with details, but I am taking on your offer
of
help, and I am desperate and paranoid, saving Word and Excel files every 2
minutes in fear of a crash.
--------[ Summary - GENIUS-P3 ]-----------------------------

Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 650 MHz (6.5 x 100)

Motherboard Chipset VIA VT82C693A Apollo Pro133
System Memory 448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (01/12/00)

Display:
Video Adapter RADEON 7000 SERIES (64 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI RV100 DDR
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (6121234)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Creative SB Live! Sound Card

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
Disk Drive WDC WD800BB-00JKA0 (74 GB, IDE)
Disk Drive SAMSUNG SV2044D (18 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/66)
Disk Drive OTi2168 Flash Disk USB Device (117 MB, USB)

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D: (NTFS) 51207 MB (32125 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 14864 MB (11926 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 6149 MB (3359 MB free)
G: (NTFS) 6110 MB (5694 MB free)


Network:
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VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

DMI BIOS Vendor Award Software
International, Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 4.51 PG
DMI Motherboard Product 693-596-W977TF

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Motherboard A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME
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Malke said:
Anthony wrote:

OK guys, I get the point - the thing is that I keep my System squeeky
"clean" and weekly NAV scans report no Adware, spyware or Viruses. I
do however have frequent System Crashes (Stop Errors), which might be
the suspected candidates.
Thanks again for your time and suggestions.

Without more information from you such as the text of the Stop Errors,
it's not possible to give you a specific diagnosis, but frequent system
crashes are not normal. You could have bad RAM, other failing hardware
components, overheating, bad drivers, etc. Since you know your system
is clean, I've got two suggestions:

1. Keep track of the Stop Errors to help narrow down the cause of the
crashes. Here's a link to where you can research your Stop Errors:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm

2. If that doesn't get you anywhere, do some clean-boot troubleshooting:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=310353

3. And here are some general hardware troubleshooting steps:

1) Open the computer and run it open, cleaning out all dust bunnies and
observing all fans (overheating will cause system freezing). Obviously
you can't do this with a laptop, but you can hear if the fan is running
and feel if the laptop is getting too hot.

2) Test the RAM - I like Memtest86+ from www.memtest.org. Obviously, you
have to get the program from a working machine. You will either
download the precompiled Windows binary to make a bootable floppy or
the .iso to make a bootable cd. If you want to use the latter, you'll
need to have third-party burning software on the machine where you
download the file - XP's built-in burning capability won't do the job.
In either case, boot with the media you made. The test will run
immediately. Let the test run for an extended period of time - unless
errors are seen immediately. If you get any errors, replace the RAM.

3) Test the hard drive with a diagnostic utility from the mftr. Usually
you will download the file and make a bootable floppy with it. Boot
with the media and do a thorough test. If the drive has physical
errors, replace it.

4) The power supply may be going bad or be inadequate for the devices
you have in the system - this isn't applicable to a laptop, of course.

5) Test the motherboard with something like TuffTest from
www.tufftest.com. Sometimes this is useful, and sometimes it isn't.

Let us know if you need more help. Please make sure to include pertinent
details about the system, Stop Errors, and any t-shooting you've
already done.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
www.elephantboycomputers.com
In Memoriam - MVP Alex Nichol
The world is diminished without him.
 
R

Ron Martell

Anthony said:
Hey Malke, that was one lotta bit of info! Thanks. I started off with Restore
Points, now it's the dreaded Blue Screens. I have done most of the
suggestions you offered, including the Mem test which another MVP suggested.
I let it run all night with no errors detected.

Both hard drives were thoroughly tested with Western Digital's tools: again
no mishaps. Apart from my System being clean from malicious residents, I keep
my Hardware in a very good condition (I even clean the extractor fan on the
PSU). But your remark on the Power Supply made me think. Pls can you have a
look at my specs and offer some advice. I replaced the PSU a year ago for a
250W unit.

The STOP ERRORS are intermittent: sometimes I get 3 in a day, then a couple
of days with no problems. I send reports to MS, but the standard reply is
that " a device driver caused the error...".
This the most common Stop Error the system throws up:

*** STOP: 0x0000008E (0XC0000005, 0X80584DDA, 0XEE0F896C, 0X00000000)

From http://www.aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm

0x0000008E: KERNEL_MODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED

A kernel mode program generated an exception which the error handler
didn’t catch. These are nearly always hardware compability issues
(which sometimes means a driver issue or a need for a BIOS upgrade).

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP"
 
G

Guest

I will continue to seek for a solution to these blasted Stop Errors and check
all Driver Updates again - though I wouldn't touch the BIOS Ron, never did. I
have just about dabbled in everything in my PC, but never the BIOS... it's
like the "Holy Grail" to me.
This said, must confess my system is rather "stone age" stuff (P-III four
years old). Eventually will cross the bridge to a more reliable MBO and P4.

Thanks Ron
Anthony
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