Requesting some leniency on your piracy protection program please.

[Guest]

Dear Microsoft…

Thanks for your hard work on all those fantastic OS’s you’ve been
providing throughout so many years; especially Windows XP which, according to
my unprofessional experience, is one of the best OS’s to ever come out from
Microsoft!

I mostly like to focus on your fight against piracy… I understand, agree
and encourage what you’re trying to do to stop illegal copies from being able
to spread in to the market. However, I do find some of your tactics for
carrying out your mission, a bit too strict! Please let me explain why…

I have 7 computers at home, I’m not running a business off them, just a
computer enthusiast with a private home network, which I use for my own
personal convenience. And I have to admit, that I only have one genuine copy
of Windows XP (S2), and another pirate copy of Windows XP (S2). The good
thing about the genuine software is that I have your full gracious support
for it, and that is great! But that is the only good thing I get from the
genuine copy! The things I do not get, is not being able to install the same
CD on my other 6 computers, not being able to reinstall the same software on
the same computer several times, (Since I’m always formatting due to testing,
viruses, spy ware and add ware, changing hardware, and having multiple
removable discs on the same computers). With a genuine copy, I basically have
my hands tied behind my back most of the time! I have to be very careful with
my computer not to get it infected with anything, and/or paying very good
attention to what I install and uninstall on it, worried how many hardware
changes I could make before my OS locks up, not being able to install it on
other computers… basically… taking as much precautions and care for my OS, so
I would not corrupt it and have to format, cause I know I would not be able
to get it back easily, as well as not being able to use it except once!
Please forgive me for thinking so, but this really sucks! I much prefer to
use my pirated copy, where I could install and reinstall countless times, as
well as install the OS on all my 7 computers!

My suggestion, is if you could please provide some leniency on how your
pirate protection protocols are carried out. I read some of the details on
how it works… for example, I clearly remember that the system scans the whole
computer, reports several hardware codes, and sends them back to Microsoft,
making every computer unique, so it could send back an unlock code. I believe
that is too much! It means that our upgrade range is quite limited; we are
not free to do whatever we want to our personal computers! I mean, what is
the crime if I decide to change a CPU and motherboard every two weeks? Is it
illegal? What If I like to build a new system every month and keep it in my
home? Personally, whenever I build a new system, I do not throw away the old
system! I join it to my network! Is that illegal? If not, how am I supposed
to run my other computers without an OS? What if I do not want some of my
computers to be connected to the Internet? I also would not be able to
validate and activate the system! Can you possibly use less hardware to
identify individual computers? Like maybe some hardware in a computer that
are most unlikely to be changed? Such as the motherboard? I’m sure you can
come up with several better ideas on how to protect your software, as well as
providing better services from your OS’s…


How about if you could sell validation keys that could be reusable on the
same computer countless times? For example, I have one genuine copy and 7
computers, so I would have to buy 6 validation keys form you, provided that
each of the keys work on only one computer, and can be reinstalled several
times on that very same computer. The system identifies the motherboard’s
onboard information only, which would provide the user with virtually
unlimited hardware changes and upgrade possibilities.

I really hope that, as you are doing a wonderful job in developing all
your fantastic software, you’d also develop a fantastic, lenient and
efficient piracy protection program. Cause honestly at this point, I’m forced
to use the pirated copy, and though in this country it is not illegal, I
actually prefer to use originals all the time, it’s a question of moral… I
can’t stand any one using something developed by some one else; without
his/her permission and gratitude (in the form of the payment the owner
deserves for his/her hard work)!

Thanks for reading and understanding.

 

[Guest]

try to manage your
delusions, please.

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[Unknown]

So you want preferential treatment?

Dear Microsoft.

Thanks for your hard work on all those fantastic OS's you've been
providing throughout so many years; especially Windows XP which, according
to
my unprofessional experience, is one of the best OS's to ever come out
from
Microsoft!

I mostly like to focus on your fight against piracy. I understand, agree
and encourage what you're trying to do to stop illegal copies from being
able
to spread in to the market. However, I do find some of your tactics for
carrying out your mission, a bit too strict! Please let me explain why.

I have 7 computers at home, I'm not running a business off them, just a
computer enthusiast with a private home network, which I use for my own
personal convenience. And I have to admit, that I only have one genuine
copy
of Windows XP (S2), and another pirate copy of Windows XP (S2). The good
thing about the genuine software is that I have your full gracious support
for it, and that is great! But that is the only good thing I get from the
genuine copy! The things I do not get, is not being able to install the
same
CD on my other 6 computers, not being able to reinstall the same software
on
the same computer several times, (Since I'm always formatting due to
testing,
viruses, spy ware and add ware, changing hardware, and having multiple
removable discs on the same computers). With a genuine copy, I basically
have
my hands tied behind my back most of the time! I have to be very careful
with
my computer not to get it infected with anything, and/or paying very good
attention to what I install and uninstall on it, worried how many hardware
changes I could make before my OS locks up, not being able to install it
on
other computers. basically. taking as much precautions and care for my OS,
so
I would not corrupt it and have to format, cause I know I would not be
able
to get it back easily, as well as not being able to use it except once!
Please forgive me for thinking so, but this really sucks! I much prefer to
use my pirated copy, where I could install and reinstall countless times,
as
well as install the OS on all my 7 computers!

My suggestion, is if you could please provide some leniency on how your
pirate protection protocols are carried out. I read some of the details on
how it works. for example, I clearly remember that the system scans the
whole
computer, reports several hardware codes, and sends them back to
Microsoft,
making every computer unique, so it could send back an unlock code. I
believe
that is too much! It means that our upgrade range is quite limited; we are
not free to do whatever we want to our personal computers! I mean, what is
the crime if I decide to change a CPU and motherboard every two weeks? Is
it
illegal? What If I like to build a new system every month and keep it in
my
home? Personally, whenever I build a new system, I do not throw away the
old
system! I join it to my network! Is that illegal? If not, how am I
supposed
to run my other computers without an OS? What if I do not want some of my
computers to be connected to the Internet? I also would not be able to
validate and activate the system! Can you possibly use less hardware to
identify individual computers? Like maybe some hardware in a computer that
are most unlikely to be changed? Such as the motherboard? I'm sure you can
come up with several better ideas on how to protect your software, as well
as
providing better services from your OS's.


How about if you could sell validation keys that could be reusable on
the
same computer countless times? For example, I have one genuine copy and 7
computers, so I would have to buy 6 validation keys form you, provided
that
each of the keys work on only one computer, and can be reinstalled several
times on that very same computer. The system identifies the motherboard's
onboard information only, which would provide the user with virtually
unlimited hardware changes and upgrade possibilities.

I really hope that, as you are doing a wonderful job in developing all
your fantastic software, you'd also develop a fantastic, lenient and
efficient piracy protection program. Cause honestly at this point, I'm
forced
to use the pirated copy, and though in this country it is not illegal, I
actually prefer to use originals all the time, it's a question of moral. I
can't stand any one using something developed by some one else; without
his/her permission and gratitude (in the form of the payment the owner
deserves for his/her hard work)!

Thanks for reading and understanding.

 

[smlunatick]

Dear Microsoft...

Thanks for your hard work on all those fantastic OS's you've been
providing throughout so many years; especially Windows XP which, according to
my unprofessional experience, is one of the best OS's to ever come out from
Microsoft!

I mostly like to focus on your fight against piracy... I understand, agree
and encourage what you're trying to do to stop illegal copies from being able
to spread in to the market. However, I do find some of your tactics for
carrying out your mission, a bit too strict! Please let me explain why...

I have 7 computers at home, I'm not running a business off them, just a
computer enthusiast with a private home network, which I use for my own
personal convenience. And I have to admit, that I only have one genuine copy
of Windows XP (S2), and another pirate copy of Windows XP (S2). The good
thing about the genuine software is that I have your full gracious support
for it, and that is great! But that is the only good thing I get from the
genuine copy! The things I do not get, is not being able to install the same
CD on my other 6 computers, not being able to reinstall the same software on
the same computer several times, (Since I'm always formatting due to testing,
viruses, spy ware and add ware, changing hardware, and having multiple
removable discs on the same computers). With a genuine copy, I basically have
my hands tied behind my back most of the time! I have to be very careful with
my computer not to get it infected with anything, and/or paying very good
attention to what I install and uninstall on it, worried how many hardware
changes I could make before my OS locks up, not being able to install it on
other computers... basically... taking as much precautions and care for my OS, so
I would not corrupt it and have to format, cause I know I would not be able
to get it back easily, as well as not being able to use it except once!
Please forgive me for thinking so, but this really sucks! I much prefer to
use my pirated copy, where I could install and reinstall countless times, as
well as install the OS on all my 7 computers!

My suggestion, is if you could please provide some leniency on how your
pirate protection protocols are carried out. I read some of the details on
how it works... for example, I clearly remember that the system scans the whole
computer, reports several hardware codes, and sends them back to Microsoft,
making every computer unique, so it could send back an unlock code. I believe
that is too much! It means that our upgrade range is quite limited; we are
not free to do whatever we want to our personal computers! I mean, what is
the crime if I decide to change a CPU and motherboard every two weeks? Is it
illegal? What If I like to build a new system every month and keep it in my
home? Personally, whenever I build a new system, I do not throw away the old
system! I join it to my network! Is that illegal? If not, how am I supposed
to run my other computers without an OS? What if I do not want some of my
computers to be connected to the Internet? I also would not be able to
validate and activate the system! Can you possibly use less hardware to
identify individual computers? Like maybe some hardware in a computer that
are most unlikely to be changed? Such as the motherboard? I'm sure you can
come up with several better ideas on how to protect your software, as well as
providing better services from your OS's...

How about if you could sell validation keys that could be reusable on the
same computer countless times? For example, I have one genuine copy and 7
computers, so I would have to buy 6 validation keys form you, provided that
each of the keys work on only one computer, and can be reinstalled several
times on that very same computer. The system identifies the motherboard's
onboard information only, which would provide the user with virtually
unlimited hardware changes and upgrade possibilities.

I really hope that, as you are doing a wonderful job in developing all
your fantastic software, you'd also develop a fantastic, lenient and
efficient piracy protection program. Cause honestly at this point, I'm forced
to use the pirated copy, and though in this country it is not illegal, I
actually prefer to use originals all the time, it's a question of moral... I
can't stand any one using something developed by some one else; without
his/her permission and gratitude (in the form of the payment the owner
deserves for his/her hard work)!

Thanks for reading and understanding.

Do you really thing your "rant" will touch MS's heart(s)?

 

[Bob I]

1. This is a USER group, not Microsoft, and

2. People doing what you are doing is PRECISELY the reason we are
treated to this WGA business. What part of ONE license per PC is so
difficult for you to understand? It's been this way since windows began!
If you want unlimited installs, use an OS that permits that. STOP PIRATING!

 

[RobertVA]

Most Windows End User License Agreements (EULAs) only license you to
install the OS on a single computer. For the installation to complete
you would have clicked a EULA dialog agreeing to those conditions. Yes,
that means it's necessary to buy a separate license for each computer.
Attempts like yours to install a single OEM license on multiple
computers are the very reason Microsoft imposed this Windows Product
Activation (WPA) burden on us!

The Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) OS licenses that come with
many computers obligate the computer manufacturer to support that
license, which they are reluctant to do when it has been moved to
another computer with different peripheral cards and chip sets. The
ability to latter discontinue using that license on that computer and
start using the license on a different computer is one of the rights the
user waives when they purchase the discounted OEM license instead of the
full priced retail boxed Windows OS license.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"With a genuine copy, I basically have my hands tied behind my back
most of the time"
Why?
Genuine can be reinstalled an unlimited number of times.

"What If I like to build a new system every month and keep it in my
home?"
"I’m not running a business off them, just a computer enthusiast with
a private home network,"
That is 12 computers a year.
How many months will you maintain this acquisition speed?
Clearly you have lots of resources available if you can maintain that.
It really sounds like you are running some type of business with your
malware testing.

"Is that illegal?"
Is each license genuine or stolen (pirated)?

"sell validation keys that could be reusable on the same computer
countless times?"
Retail and OEM licenses can already be reinstalled on the same
computer an unlimited # of times.
However any problems you have are probably caused by your apparent
unwillingness to pay for what you use.
the solution is to purchase a license for each computer.
If you can afford that many computers, you certainly can afford the
licenses.
Or perhaps another operating system is best for some of your
computers.
There are other options and some are free such as Linux.

Lastly, these are peer to peer support newsgroups.
Microsoft may not see your message since there is no requirement or
expectation that they read posts.
Occasionally Microsoft employees are here, but then they are here on
their own time.

 

[Guest]

Ummm… could you be more polite please? I don’t think being called:
“Delusional†is a compliment! If you have nothing to help me with, then I’d
be very appreciative if you could please keep your “Psychological diagnosesâ€
to your self.
Thank you!

 

[Guest]

If that is what you think… that’s so sad… but that’s not what I meant!

 

[Guest]

Do you really thing your "rant" will touch MS's heart(s)?

I'm not good at writing dram scripts if you are... some people actually mean
what they say you know...

 

[Guest]

umm?, i didn't say you
were delusional.

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[Guest]

You could less aggressive with your reply you know! And I'm sure you're not
such a goody goody two shoes your self, and I'd bet that if you had the
opportunity to use pirated software and not get caught, you would not
hesitate to use them for a second!

 

[Guest]

Thank you very much sir for your reply! I truly appreciate your politeness
and information!
Best regards!

 

[Leythos]

Dear Microsoft?

Thanks for your hard work on all those fantastic OS?s you?ve been
providing throughout so many years; especially Windows XP which, according to
my unprofessional experience, is one of the best OS?s to ever come out from
Microsoft!

I mostly like to focus on your fight against piracy? I understand, agree
and encourage what you?re trying to do to stop illegal copies from being able
to spread in to the market. However, I do find some of your tactics for
carrying out your mission, a bit too strict! Please let me explain why?

I have 7 computers at home, I?m not running a business off them, just a
computer enthusiast with a private home network, which I use for my own
personal convenience. And I have to admit, that I only have one genuine copy
of Windows XP (S2), and another pirate copy of Windows XP (S2). The good
thing about the genuine software is that I have your full gracious support
for it, and that is great! But that is the only good thing I get from the
genuine copy! The things I do not get, is not being able to install the same
CD on my other 6 computers, not being able to reinstall the same softwareon
the same computer several times, (Since I?m always formatting due to testing,
viruses, spy ware and add ware, changing hardware, and having multiple
removable discs on the same computers). With a genuine copy, I basically have
my hands tied behind my back most of the time! I have to be very careful with
my computer not to get it infected with anything, and/or paying very good
attention to what I install and uninstall on it, worried how many hardware
changes I could make before my OS locks up, not being able to install it on
other computers? basically? taking as much precautions and care for my OS, so
I would not corrupt it and have to format, cause I know I would not be able
to get it back easily, as well as not being able to use it except once!
Please forgive me for thinking so, but this really sucks! I much prefer to
use my pirated copy, where I could install and reinstall countless times,as
well as install the OS on all my 7 computers!

My suggestion, is if you could please provide some leniency on how your
pirate protection protocols are carried out. I read some of the details on
how it works? for example, I clearly remember that the system scans the whole
computer, reports several hardware codes, and sends them back to Microsoft,
making every computer unique, so it could send back an unlock code. I believe
that is too much! It means that our upgrade range is quite limited; we are
not free to do whatever we want to our personal computers! I mean, what is
the crime if I decide to change a CPU and motherboard every two weeks? Isit
illegal? What If I like to build a new system every month and keep it in my
home? Personally, whenever I build a new system, I do not throw away the old
system! I join it to my network! Is that illegal? If not, how am I supposed
to run my other computers without an OS? What if I do not want some of my
computers to be connected to the Internet? I also would not be able to
validate and activate the system! Can you possibly use less hardware to
identify individual computers? Like maybe some hardware in a computer that
are most unlikely to be changed? Such as the motherboard? I?m sure you can
come up with several better ideas on how to protect your software, as well as
providing better services from your OS?s?


How about if you could sell validation keys that could be reusable on the
same computer countless times? For example, I have one genuine copy and 7
computers, so I would have to buy 6 validation keys form you, provided that
each of the keys work on only one computer, and can be reinstalled several
times on that very same computer. The system identifies the motherboard?s
onboard information only, which would provide the user with virtually
unlimited hardware changes and upgrade possibilities.

I really hope that, as you are doing a wonderful job in developing all
your fantastic software, you?d also develop a fantastic, lenient and
efficient piracy protection program. Cause honestly at this point, I?m forced
to use the pirated copy, and though in this country it is not illegal, I
actually prefer to use originals all the time, it?s a question of moral? I
can?t stand any one using something developed by some one else; without
his/her permission and gratitude (in the form of the payment the owner
deserves for his/her hard work)!

LOL

Lets see, you bought OEM and you want to install it on many computers
for your own personal use?

You want MS to make a patch/method for people that don't want to
purchase proper licenses for the number of installs they have, yet still
be able to detect the difference between what you want to do and the
other people that pirate Windows....

Fact is that if you buy a computer without an OS, that's your fault and
failing and does not absove you from being a pirate if you install the
old OS on ANOTHER computer while leaving it installed on any other
computer....

If you want to change motherboards every two weeks, you are the type
that should purchase a RETAIL version or a Open License version instead
of an OEM version.

Now, if you don't want to PAY for an O/S, install Linux.

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Guest]

"With a genuine copy, I basically have my hands tied behind my back
most of the time"
Why?
Genuine can be reinstalled an unlimited number of times.

Yes… that is true… I learned about it just now… but there is some file I
have to copy so I would not have to contact Microsoft every time I reinstall
my OS.

"What If I like to build a new system every month and keep it in my
home?"
"I’m not running a business off them, just a computer enthusiast with
a private home network,"
That is 12 computers a year.
How many months will you maintain this acquisition speed?
Clearly you have lots of resources available if you can maintain that.
It really sounds like you are running some type of business with your
malware testing.

I used it as an example! I currently have 7 computers including one laptop…
I build a computer almost every 3 to 5 years so I could keep my hardware up
to date, I’m also a game freak and I’m sure you know that games are some of
the biggest power demanders. More over, does not mean that any one who has
several computers is definitely running a business! People are not standard
you know, each of us is unique, if what I’m doing is strange to you, it might
not be strange to some one else! Please don’t judge me unless you know me!

"Is that illegal?"
Is each license genuine or stolen (pirated)?

I was saying: “Is it illegal to build a new computer every month?†(For
Example). Please understand what I’m saying.

"sell validation keys that could be reusable on the same computer
countless times?"
Retail and OEM licenses can already be reinstalled on the same
computer an unlimited # of times.
However any problems you have are probably caused by "your apparent
unwillingness to pay for what you use."

Again, don’t judge me unless you know me! I do prefer originals all the
time! And when I get the chance to find any, I buy them! This country sells
almost everything pirated! Is that my fault too?!

the solution is to purchase a license for each computer.
If you can afford that many computers, you certainly can afford the
licenses.
Or perhaps another operating system is best for some of your
computers.
There are other options and some are free such as Linux.

Lastly, these are peer to peer support newsgroups.
Microsoft may not see your message since there is no requirement or
expectation that they read posts.
Occasionally Microsoft employees are here, but then they are here on
their own time.

As a conclusion, I thank you and appreciate your feedback sir. You did
enlighten me about some things I did not know about the pirate protection.
Best regards.

 

[Guest]

Well sir… I guess I need to learn more about Windows pirate protection and
how it works… If I can install the OS (original) on the same computer as much
as I want, than that is a big relief! But the thing that still annoys me, is
that my upgrade range is limited… if I go too far with my upgrades the system
would lock up! But I certainly find it absolutely fair to buy a new copy of
Windows for every computer, that is why I suggested the activation keys,
which could be purchased. I did not know about the differences between OEM
and retail! Thank you very much for the tip!

I never honestly tried Linux, I’d like to try it one day, but I do love
Windows, and I’m used to it… besides… some games do not run on Linux! ;-) And
that would severely burst my bubble!

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"strange"
That is entirely your word.
Please do not make assumptions on what I meant based on your use of a
word I did not say.

"Is it illegal to build a new computer every month?â€
Not at all obviously.
But it may be depending on what operating system you install and the
license.
"Please understand what I’m saying."

"Is that my fault too?!"
I never suggested it was.
But it is your fault if you knowingly buy/use pirated/stolen goods.

"Please don’t judge me unless you know me"
I didn't, you seem to already know the answer.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"my upgrade range is limited"
If Windows is retail, not at all.
You can reinstall, upgrade, move to a different computer all you want
as long as it is only installed on one computer at a time.

OM, (generic) you can upgrade or reinstall on the same computer an
unlimited number of times.
However OEM is normally permanently tied to the original computer
regardless the condition of the original computer.

OEM (branded such as HP, Dell Compaq, Gateway etc) are tied to the
motherboard.
Replacing the motherboard will normally prevent use unless the
replacement motherboard is from the same manufacturer.

 

[Guest]

Yes, what your doing is illegal.
so what part of (your breaking the law) do you not understand?
your world is rather small, consider if 10million people did the same thing
your doing, and they do!, the loss of revenue to MS would be considerable,
alas and alack, the reason for WGA. Nope I'm not a Ms supporter, I prefer
cheaper OS, but the more people break the law, increases the costs for the
rest of us. stop breaking the law and costing me money!

 

[HeyBub]

If that is what you think. that's so sad. but that's not what I meant!

It is what he meant. You are asking for a Mulligan. You agreed to a
contract, gave your word, pledged your integrity, and promised your trust.
Now you want special consideration because of your reluctance to pay
additional fees.

Your argument that you rebuild computers reminds me of the chap who was
trying to sell the very hatchet George Washington used to chop down the
cherry tree: "In almost three hundred years, it's had five handles and two
new heads, but otherwise it's the original."

Do you go to the Cineplex, buy one ticket, and watch six movies?

You already admit to using (at least) one pirated copy of XP. There's a
saying in the law: "In a court of equity, one must petition with clean
hands." Your hands are not clean. As such, you have no basis for liencency.