Registry cleaner ?

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Jackson

Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "Jackson" <[email protected]>

| Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
| Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
| believe it's freeware.

| Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
| recomendations?
| Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !
 
J

Jackson

Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?

Sorry, I screwed up the name. It's: Macecraft jv16 power
tools.

Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL
 
J

John John - MVP

Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners, they cause
more harm than good.

John
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Jackson said:
Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?

Would you clean your registry manually?
Would you use such a cleaning tool and verify each entry it found and wanted
to remove manually before removing it?
 
T

Twayne

In
David H. Lipman said:
Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !

Never used the Komando program.

So-called maybe bad, but legitimate, known reliable registry cleaners are a
godsend sometimes and worst case do nothing to help the user. If you need
free, although I've never heard of it, MS's tool might be worth trying but
remember how MS puts out buggy software<g>.

Ccleaner is one that's good for newbies to use; user friendly and so on.
Only other ones I use are pay-for but excellent programs.
Beware unknown cleaners; some are nothing but malware. Research or ask as
you've done here before using them.

One thing to keep in mind is the reason for running a cleaner and expecting
results you won't get. Most problems are not a result of the registry;
depends on a lot of things.

Twayne



--
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!
 
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thanatoid

Would you clean your registry manually?

I do and have many times.
Would you use such a cleaning tool and verify each entry it
found and wanted to remove manually before removing it?

That is SOME sentence ;-)

JV16 does an amazing job and tells you exactly WHY something
"can go" and it's up to you, It also makes backups - which I
have NEVER needed to use.

Generally, after using my 4 reg cleaners (I only do it once in a
while, like before making an image of C:) I DO manually clean
stuff because NOTHING will do EVERYTHING.

The reg cleaners just make the job faster and more thorough
since they will look through everything, like the entire HKCR
tree, something I have NO patience for.
 
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thanatoid

Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners,
they cause more harm than good.

Don't top post.

WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of YOUR systems that you
could not undo with the backup files (which all the ones I have
used offer to create - and NONE of which I have ever had to use
myself)?
 
T

thanatoid

From: "Jackson" <[email protected]>

| Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
| Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
| believe it's freeware.

| Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
| recomendations?
| Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !

You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling.
 
T

thanatoid

Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

It's probably the best, or one of the top 3. You will see /no
performance increase/, but it will NOT **** anything up, in
spite of all the kind warnings from people who have probably
never even tried one.

It WILL clean up left-over useless crap (I have seen MAYBE ten
programs in twenty years that REALLY uninstall EVERYTHING they
dump into the registry) and make your registry smaller and
cleaner - if you care about those things. There are various
other advantages, figure it out.

BTW, I have been using 4 different ones (including an older
version of the main module of JV16 power tools, BTW the one that
comes with this new suite is much better - it tells you EXACTLY
why something in the registry is useless) for over 10 years and
NEVER a problem.

JV16 PT has a suite of other very nice applications included as
well. /Very/ highly recommended.
 
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Twayne

In
John John - MVP said:
Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners, they cause
more harm than good.

Completely untrue. Posted from ignorance and to be a gopher for a small
group of registry cleaner libelists. Like any other program, just source a
reliable program from a reliable web site. They don't do any harm or damage
and they also allow you to undo any changes you make anyway.

Twayne



--
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!
 
T

Twayne

In
Shenan Stanley said:
Would you clean your registry manually?

Would YOU if you had a few hundred entries to work on? If so, you need to
get a life!
Would you use such a cleaning tool and verify each entry it found and
wanted to remove manually before removing it?

Not hard to do if one really wants to; plenty of sources around to look that
sort of thing up. But with today's cleaners it's not much needed effort as
long as it's making backups in case a program should depend on one of them.

Twayne

Twayne

--
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!
 
T

Twayne

In
Shenan Stanley said:
Would you clean your registry manually?
Would you use such a cleaning tool and verify each entry it found and
wanted to remove manually before removing it?

What, no Um, Ha! reference yet to your own biased points?

Twayne


--
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!
 
D

David H. Lipman

From: "thanatoid" <[email protected]>


| You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling.


Forget the BS spelling faux pas...

It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners !
 
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VanguardLH

Jackson said:
Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

- What is currently wrong or failing with the registry?
- What convinced you that the registry needs to be "cleaned" up?
- What constitutes the "cleaning" actions?
- What do you expect to gain from the cleanup?
- What are you going to do if the registry changes hose over
your computer since a restore may not be possible?
- What is your recovery strategy from the registry changes?

*_Why the uneducated or lazy should never use registry cleaners_*

If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool
that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. Regardless of
relinquishing the task to software, YOU are the final authority in allowing
it to make the changes. Any registry cleaner that does not request for YOU
to give permission to make its proposed changes along with listing each
proposed change should be discarded.

Do you have a backup & restore plan in place? When (and not if) the
registry cleaner corrupts your registry and when you can no longer boot into
Windows, just how are you going to restore that OS partition so it is usable
again? Even if you use a registry cleaner that provides for backups of its
changes so you can revert back to the prior state, how are you going to
perform that restore if you cannot boot the OS after hosing over its
registry? What about entries in the registry that look to be orphaned under
the current OS load instance but are used under a different OS environment?
You delete what looks orphaned only to find out that they are required under
a different environment.

Say there was an unusually high amount of orphaned entries in your registry,
like 4MB. By deleting the orphaned entries, you would speed up how long it
takes Windows to load the registry's files when it starts up - by all of
maybe 1 second. Oooh, aaah. All that risk of modifying the registry to
save maybe a second, or less, during the Windows startup. Most folks that
clean the registry end up deleting only 10KB, or less. They are doing
nothing to improve their Windows load time. Since the registry is only read
from the memory copy of it, and since memory is random access, there is no
difference to read one byte of the registry (in memory) from the another
byte in the registry (also in memory). The extra data in memory for
orphaned entries has no effect on the time to retrieve items from the memory
copy of the registry because orphaned entries are never retrieved (if they
were, they aren't orphaned).

Cleaning the registry will NOT improve performance in reading from the
memory copy of the registry. The reduced size of the registry's .dat files
might reduce the load time of Windows by all of a second and probably much
less. And you want to risk the stability of your OS for inconsequential
changes to its registry? The same boobs that get suckered into these
registry cleanup "tools" are the same ones that get suckered into the memory
defragment "tools".

A registry cleaner should only be used if you by yourself can correctly
cleanup the registry. The cleaner is just a tool to automate the same
process but you should know every change that it intends to make and
understand each of those changes. After all, and regardless of the stagnant
expertise that is hard coded into the utility, *YOU* are the final authority
in what registry changes are performed whether you do it manually or with a
utility. If YOU do not understand the proposed change (which requires the
product actually divulge the proposed change before committing that change),
how will you know whether or not to allow that change?
 
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John John - MVP

I'll post where ever I want and if you don't like it don't bother
reading my posts.

What good, pray tell, has a registry cleaner ever done for you? Like
all the other believers out there you put some kind of blind faith or
voodoo trust in them and because your registry cleaner has found and
removed a couple of orphaned registry entries it gives you a warm fuzzy
feeling and you think that it's doing something useful.

Your question says it all, "WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of YOUR
systems that you could not undo with the backup files...". That is the
gist of it all. Why bother with programs that at best do nothing other
than give you a fuzzy feeling and that at worst will cause problems
requiring you to restore registry files? That is if the registry
cleaner can even restore its own backup (often they can't) or if it
hasn't crippled the installation to the point where the Windows can't
boot properly. These cleaners are next to utterly useless and the
purposed non existent benefits parroted by the vendors and fans of these
programs are simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these
programs can and do sometimes cause.

John
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "thanatoid" <[email protected]>


| OK, I'll bite... Why?


Because the need for one is a myth

Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve. Problems that can be
catastrophic.
 
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John John - MVP

Twayne said:
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Completely untrue. Posted from ignorance and to be a gopher for a small
group of registry cleaner libelists. Like any other program, just
source a reliable program from a reliable web site. They don't do any
harm or damage and they also allow you to undo any changes you make anyway.

As usual and in your true form when ever these useless programs are
exposed for what they are you are here to defend your beloved cleaners
and to insult all who disagree with you. However, when people post
seeking help with real problems caused by these cleaners you are nowhere
to been seen. Most of us here have noticed that when it comes to posts
about registry cleaners you have a case of selected blindness, and when
you do reply to posts you usually leave your brains and manners parked
somewhere else.

John
 

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