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Guest

No, I don't know what you mean. Can you please explain it
----- Crash Gordon® wrote: ----

you know how some of those sites just have that 'look' about them? you know what i mean


| the thing that worries me about offers like these
| If you're one of the few that actually use all that capacity, your site ha
| a tendency to fail more often than not and they won't give you service
| it's sort of the "goodbye look" a better steely dan song than busines
| tactic. ;-
|
| -
| The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all th
| spam
| Please feel free to contact me here
| http://nedp.net/contact
| -
|
|
| | > I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapes
| plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Pag
| support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as i
| sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customer
| live in the U. S.
|
|
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

Hard to explain, the one you picked didn't quite have that 'look' but it talked the suspect talk...if they really had 14,000 accounts at that price, and were giving you a year free too...and they really had a building THAT big...think about it and do some math...impossible to stay in business unless they are cross-subsidizing with another business or using slave labor (I'm kidding of course, but really...how can you stay in business with big overhead and low prices - you can't make up for losses by doing large volume....it don't werk)

I'm also leery of hosts that have no address shown, or if it's shown it's not verifiable.

Many of these hosts, I'm finding out, are merely disguised (or not disguised) referral sites - and while this is not a bad thing....but why not just deal with the source?



| No, I don't know what you mean. Can you please explain it?
| ----- Crash Gordon® wrote: -----
|
| you know how some of those sites just have that 'look' about them? you know what i mean?
|
|
| | the thing that worries me about offers like these;
| | If you're one of the few that actually use all that capacity, your site has
| | a tendency to fail more often than not and they won't give you service.
| | it's sort of the "goodbye look" a better steely dan song than business
| | tactic. ;-)
| |
| | --
| | The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
| | spam.
| | Please feel free to contact me here:
| | http://nedp.net/contact/
| | --
| |
| |
| | | | > I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest
| | plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page
| | support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it
| | sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers
| | live in the U. S.)
| |
| |
 
B

Bob

Your comments seem to indicate that you are simply another anti-Microsoft
zealot.

Nope. I actually like using their software. I have a major
disagreement with their business strategy though and their
resulting architectural problems that lead to unsolvable
problems with their security.
For example, you say, "While MS is making (at least publicly) an
attempt to repair security flaws...". In fact, Microsoft IS repairing
security flaws. Perhaps you can explain how you can publicly repair
security flaws without doing so internally.

My point is that they are patching a damaged architecture. They will
continue to have problems because of the architectural issue.
If you've been reading tech
news over the last few years, you would know that Microsoft is absolutely
committed to security. You would also know that Windows is the most secure
operating system available today.

Sorry, but that's not true. Windows is not the "most secure operating
system available today". It can't even isolate applications from
each other, let alone the OS. This causes 95% of their security
related problems. Go check with the US Gov't on what they use for
secure OS's when real security is required. I think you might be
surprised.
You disagree with me because of your lack of information and you bias.

Sorry but you've made a bad assumption. I'm very informed about
security. I'll suggest that you need to learn something about how a
truly secure operating system works.
As
an example of my assertion, there was recently a security hole in Linux that
allowed someone hitting a Web server to easily elevate their privileges to
root. It was widely reported. You know how long it took them to fix it? 8
months! That's just unbelievable, and it's laughable that anyone would
claim that Windows is less secure than that.

I think you may be mistaken on the specifics of that issue. Trust me,
Linux servers are not wide open with security breeches. However, I
would not claim that they have no holes. They do. It's still a much
more secure environment than MS-Windows will ever be with MS's
business strategy.
By the time you read of a
security flaw in Windows, Microsoft has already patched it, and Microsoft is
the only company that has a very simple and effective way to ensure that
your OS is always up-to-date.

Simple for you perhaps. Not so simple for my clients with multiple
systems that are Internet isolated for security reasons. However, I
don't disagree that MS is trying to patch the holes. My disagreement
is with the fact that they built a container that can't structurally
hold water... and they continue to patch leaks in it.
Concerning the parent-pathing issue (../../), for YEARS, Microsoft has
recommended not allowing parent paths on the Web server. In fact, the IIS
Lockdown tool (available for a few years itself) disallows this and other
security holes. It is up to the server administrator to enable parent
pathing. Most do because they don't want to have to tell developers not to
rely on parent pathing. Make that choice and the consequences are yours,
not Microsoft's.

Lockdown came out after this hole. In fact, Lockdown was a reaction to
the repeated problems with the IIS environment. The fact remains, once
again, that this is a *architectural* issue. MS designed it on
purpose. The architecture should prevent this from ever happening. No
request to the web server has any business outside the web server.
Ever. Period. No exceptions. If you want a program on the web server
to access OS features, go through a program on the web server that
has been specifically enabled and secured to allow that to happen.
The exception, not the rule. The reason that this was possible was
MS's lame architectural design.
Concerning the requirement to have a Windows account in order to be
authenticated to the Web server, how in the world do you perceive this as a
security flaw? Your criticism of this approach shows a bit of
short-sightedness. Do you develop multi-tier Web applications? I don't
think you do, because if you did, you would realize how critical such a
system is to a good user-experience. In a multi-tiered environment, I may
hit five or six different resources that require authentication. You think
it's actually a good idea to require users to enter their credentials over
and over and over and over? Worse yet, do you think it's acceptible to
allow multiple systems to authenticate me by proxy? Microsoft systems don't
allow that unless you have explicitly configured delegation. Once again, a
very secure architecture.

It's simple: Web servers are public "holes"
in the security blanket. You do NOT design access to the web server's
public or private resources by giving the user an account with the
potential to access the server itself (and therefore potentially
anything the server can access... can you say "big enough to drive a
bulldozer through [your network]).Instead, you give the user an
account which can only access the web server which is totally
*isolated* from the system security - not just "restricted"
but truly isolated. When I put an MS server on the public internet
and want to do any sort of public/private access, I now have to grant
NT user accounts to the general public. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The reason that MS has done as they have is exactly what you've
suggested: to sell solutions to the corporate market with a "one
login", share everything, strategy. This is the part of the
business/architectural problem that I've cited. They want to sell
corporate integration solutions - for them, the security is second
tier. You've hit the nail on the head - this is part of the MS
"hey, we can sell this" strategy and a corresponding "security
can take a back seat" attitude.

It doesn't matter that this is more "convenient" for the corporate
user. It's wrong. This sort of thing is the very reason that MS has
major architectural security issues. However, you can see how it
butts heads against their business strategy. That's the core of the
issue. Congratulations on your arrival.
To close, I think it's clear to those who think about these matters that
security holes in Microsoft products (even though they are already patched)
are more publicized than in other systems simply because of the fact that a
very high percentage of computers in the world are running Microsoft
software. If you were a virus or worm writer, would you target a system
used by single-digit percentages, or would you target systems in use by a
wide majority of people in the world? I know the answer, and I think you do
too!

I don't disagree that MS is a larger target. They definitely have the
desktop presence. If we are talking the server market, we have to
realize that MS is less than 50% and they are still a target. However,
the fact remains, as I've said repeatedly, that the problem is
architectural to their business, and thus their system, strategy. They
want to sell software at any cost and a flawed architecture designed
without security concerns is the result.
 
W

Wayne Moses

Careful now. This seems to be UNIX hosting and not Windows Hosting, as this
thread's subject line suggests. This is what my web host says about their
Windows Hosting products --

"Windows 2000 hosting provides specific options not available on our Linux
hosting platform such as ASP, MS SQL 7/2000 and MS Access databases, and
Cold Fusion. Windows 2000 hosting as opposed to Linux hosting is only
advantageous if you require one or some of the features listed above. So if
this is something you don't need then our regular hosting plans will be just
fine."

Having FP Extensions is not the same as Windows hosting, and my quick review
of the http://www.canaca.com/ website did not find any information on
Windows hosting. Maybe I am missing something.
--

Wayne Moses,
Gondola Webworks Webmaster
http://gwebworks.com
http://gondolawebworks.com



The 7.95 package seems pretty ok. Sounds like they're givin' away the store
though...buy one year and get another year free?

Check out the free downloadable templates though!...I may just play with a
few of them myself.


| I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest
plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page
support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it
sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers
live in the U. S.)
 
?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

Well,,it really started out because I'm looking to do some FP stuff that may require windows server. I've been on linux/unix for 8 years and have been happy, but maybe it's time to learn some new stuff and branch out into new territory. Then of course the discussion turned to unix vs. windows...ecc....

I'll probably end up with Windex.

r.


| Careful now. This seems to be UNIX hosting and not Windows Hosting, as this
| thread's subject line suggests. This is what my web host says about their
| Windows Hosting products --
|
| "Windows 2000 hosting provides specific options not available on our Linux
| hosting platform such as ASP, MS SQL 7/2000 and MS Access databases, and
| Cold Fusion. Windows 2000 hosting as opposed to Linux hosting is only
| advantageous if you require one or some of the features listed above. So if
| this is something you don't need then our regular hosting plans will be just
| fine."
|
| Having FP Extensions is not the same as Windows hosting, and my quick review
| of the http://www.canaca.com/ website did not find any information on
| Windows hosting. Maybe I am missing something.
| --
|
| Wayne Moses,
| Gondola Webworks Webmaster
| http://gwebworks.com
| http://gondolawebworks.com
|
|
|
| | The 7.95 package seems pretty ok. Sounds like they're givin' away the store
| though...buy one year and get another year free?
|
| Check out the free downloadable templates though!...I may just play with a
| few of them myself.
|
|
| | | I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest
| plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page
| support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it
| sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers
| live in the U. S.)
|
|
 
J

Jim Cheshire

I see that you have conveniently left Windows Server 2003 out of your
discussion. :)

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
================================
Author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
================================
The opinions expressed by me in the
newsgroups are my own opinions and
are in no way associated with my
employer or any other party. Jimco is
not associated in any way with any other
entity.



Bob said:
Your comments seem to indicate that you are simply another anti-Microsoft
zealot.

Nope. I actually like using their software. I have a major
disagreement with their business strategy though and their
resulting architectural problems that lead to unsolvable
problems with their security.
For example, you say, "While MS is making (at least publicly) an
attempt to repair security flaws...". In fact, Microsoft IS repairing
security flaws. Perhaps you can explain how you can publicly repair
security flaws without doing so internally.

My point is that they are patching a damaged architecture. They will
continue to have problems because of the architectural issue.
If you've been reading tech
news over the last few years, you would know that Microsoft is absolutely
committed to security. You would also know that Windows is the most secure
operating system available today.

Sorry, but that's not true. Windows is not the "most secure operating
system available today". It can't even isolate applications from
each other, let alone the OS. This causes 95% of their security
related problems. Go check with the US Gov't on what they use for
secure OS's when real security is required. I think you might be
surprised.
You disagree with me because of your lack of information and you bias.

Sorry but you've made a bad assumption. I'm very informed about
security. I'll suggest that you need to learn something about how a
truly secure operating system works.
As
an example of my assertion, there was recently a security hole in Linux that
allowed someone hitting a Web server to easily elevate their privileges to
root. It was widely reported. You know how long it took them to fix it? 8
months! That's just unbelievable, and it's laughable that anyone would
claim that Windows is less secure than that.

I think you may be mistaken on the specifics of that issue. Trust me,
Linux servers are not wide open with security breeches. However, I
would not claim that they have no holes. They do. It's still a much
more secure environment than MS-Windows will ever be with MS's
business strategy.
By the time you read of a
security flaw in Windows, Microsoft has already patched it, and Microsoft is
the only company that has a very simple and effective way to ensure that
your OS is always up-to-date.

Simple for you perhaps. Not so simple for my clients with multiple
systems that are Internet isolated for security reasons. However, I
don't disagree that MS is trying to patch the holes. My disagreement
is with the fact that they built a container that can't structurally
hold water... and they continue to patch leaks in it.
Concerning the parent-pathing issue (../../), for YEARS, Microsoft has
recommended not allowing parent paths on the Web server. In fact, the IIS
Lockdown tool (available for a few years itself) disallows this and other
security holes. It is up to the server administrator to enable parent
pathing. Most do because they don't want to have to tell developers not to
rely on parent pathing. Make that choice and the consequences are yours,
not Microsoft's.

Lockdown came out after this hole. In fact, Lockdown was a reaction to
the repeated problems with the IIS environment. The fact remains, once
again, that this is a *architectural* issue. MS designed it on
purpose. The architecture should prevent this from ever happening. No
request to the web server has any business outside the web server.
Ever. Period. No exceptions. If you want a program on the web server
to access OS features, go through a program on the web server that
has been specifically enabled and secured to allow that to happen.
The exception, not the rule. The reason that this was possible was
MS's lame architectural design.
Concerning the requirement to have a Windows account in order to be
authenticated to the Web server, how in the world do you perceive this as a
security flaw? Your criticism of this approach shows a bit of
short-sightedness. Do you develop multi-tier Web applications? I don't
think you do, because if you did, you would realize how critical such a
system is to a good user-experience. In a multi-tiered environment, I may
hit five or six different resources that require authentication. You think
it's actually a good idea to require users to enter their credentials over
and over and over and over? Worse yet, do you think it's acceptible to
allow multiple systems to authenticate me by proxy? Microsoft systems don't
allow that unless you have explicitly configured delegation. Once again, a
very secure architecture.

It's simple: Web servers are public "holes"
in the security blanket. You do NOT design access to the web server's
public or private resources by giving the user an account with the
potential to access the server itself (and therefore potentially
anything the server can access... can you say "big enough to drive a
bulldozer through [your network]).Instead, you give the user an
account which can only access the web server which is totally
*isolated* from the system security - not just "restricted"
but truly isolated. When I put an MS server on the public internet
and want to do any sort of public/private access, I now have to grant
NT user accounts to the general public. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The reason that MS has done as they have is exactly what you've
suggested: to sell solutions to the corporate market with a "one
login", share everything, strategy. This is the part of the
business/architectural problem that I've cited. They want to sell
corporate integration solutions - for them, the security is second
tier. You've hit the nail on the head - this is part of the MS
"hey, we can sell this" strategy and a corresponding "security
can take a back seat" attitude.

It doesn't matter that this is more "convenient" for the corporate
user. It's wrong. This sort of thing is the very reason that MS has
major architectural security issues. However, you can see how it
butts heads against their business strategy. That's the core of the
issue. Congratulations on your arrival.
To close, I think it's clear to those who think about these matters that
security holes in Microsoft products (even though they are already patched)
are more publicized than in other systems simply because of the fact that a
very high percentage of computers in the world are running Microsoft
software. If you were a virus or worm writer, would you target a system
used by single-digit percentages, or would you target systems in use by a
wide majority of people in the world? I know the answer, and I think you do
too!

I don't disagree that MS is a larger target. They definitely have the
desktop presence. If we are talking the server market, we have to
realize that MS is less than 50% and they are still a target. However,
the fact remains, as I've said repeatedly, that the problem is
architectural to their business, and thus their system, strategy. They
want to sell software at any cost and a flawed architecture designed
without security concerns is the result.
 
G

Guest

What is the difference between Windows hosting and Linux/UNIX hosting? I thought Windows was an operating system. (Like, I'm using Windows 98.
----- Wayne Moses wrote: ----

Careful now. This seems to be UNIX hosting and not Windows Hosting, as thi
thread's subject line suggests. This is what my web host says about thei
Windows Hosting products -

"Windows 2000 hosting provides specific options not available on our Linu
hosting platform such as ASP, MS SQL 7/2000 and MS Access databases, an
Cold Fusion. Windows 2000 hosting as opposed to Linux hosting is onl
advantageous if you require one or some of the features listed above. So i
this is something you don't need then our regular hosting plans will be jus
fine.

Having FP Extensions is not the same as Windows hosting, and my quick revie
of the http://www.canaca.com/ website did not find any information o
Windows hosting. Maybe I am missing something
--

Wayne Moses
Gondola Webworks Webmaste
http://gwebworks.co
http://gondolawebworks.co



The 7.95 package seems pretty ok. Sounds like they're givin' away the stor
though...buy one year and get another year free

Check out the free downloadable templates though!...I may just play with
few of them myself


| I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapes
plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Pag
support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as i
sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customer
live in the U. S.)
 
B

Bob

I see that you have conveniently left Windows Server 2003 out of your
discussion. :)

You mean that $1200 service pack for windows 2K server ? :)

They did make some improvements in (rewriting) the IIS server.
Architectural issues still remain. MS's business strategy still
remains. I still won't put my customer's data on it.
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

You're correct, two different operating systems (assuming linux to be so similar to unix that we consider it one system)



| What is the difference between Windows hosting and Linux/UNIX hosting? I thought Windows was an operating system. (Like, I'm using Windows 98.)
| ----- Wayne Moses wrote: -----
|
| Careful now. This seems to be UNIX hosting and not Windows Hosting, as this
| thread's subject line suggests. This is what my web host says about their
| Windows Hosting products --
|
| "Windows 2000 hosting provides specific options not available on our Linux
| hosting platform such as ASP, MS SQL 7/2000 and MS Access databases, and
| Cold Fusion. Windows 2000 hosting as opposed to Linux hosting is only
| advantageous if you require one or some of the features listed above. So if
| this is something you don't need then our regular hosting plans will be just
| fine."
|
| Having FP Extensions is not the same as Windows hosting, and my quick review
| of the http://www.canaca.com/ website did not find any information on
| Windows hosting. Maybe I am missing something.
| --
|
| Wayne Moses,
| Gondola Webworks Webmaster
| http://gwebworks.com
| http://gondolawebworks.com
|
|
|
| | The 7.95 package seems pretty ok. Sounds like they're givin' away the store
| though...buy one year and get another year free?
|
| Check out the free downloadable templates though!...I may just play with a
| few of them myself.
|
|
| | | I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest
| plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page
| support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it
| sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers
| live in the U. S.)
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Unix and Linux are both Operating Systems, just like Windows, however Unix/Linux is mostly used only
for servers, whereas Microsoft creates a number of Windows Operating System versions, that cover the
desktop PCs, Pocket PCs and Server, etc.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Carole Hall said:
What is the difference between Windows hosting and Linux/UNIX hosting? I thought Windows was an
operating system. (Like, I'm using Windows 98.)
 
J

Jim Cheshire

You are doing your customers an injustice then.

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
================================
Author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
================================
The opinions expressed by me in the
newsgroups are my own opinions and
are in no way associated with my
employer or any other party. Jimco is
not associated in any way with any other
entity.
 
C

chris leeds

Pocket PC! how cool. ;-)

--
The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
spam.
Please feel free to contact me here:
http://nedp.net/contact/
--


Thomas A. Rowe said:
Unix and Linux are both Operating Systems, just like Windows, however Unix/Linux is mostly used only
for servers, whereas Microsoft creates a number of Windows Operating
System versions, that cover the
 
B

Bob

You are doing your customers an injustice then.

No, I'm protesting their data. I can give them the same capabilities
on the Linux/Unix platform that I can give them on the Windows
platform... and I do it without fear of the next MS security flaw.
 
J

Jim Cheshire

That's just my point, Bob. Don't fear the security hole that has been
patched. Fear the one that you DON'T know about and that won't get patched.
The Linux/Unix platform has a history of allowing severe security flaws to
exist for an extended period of time without being patched.

I assume you meant "protecting" their data. :)

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
================================
Author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
================================
The opinions expressed by me in the
newsgroups are my own opinions and
are in no way associated with my
employer or any other party. Jimco is
not associated in any way with any other
entity.
 
B

Bob

The Linux/Unix platform has a history of allowing severe security flaws to
exist for an extended period of time without being patched.

That's not typically true. In addition, there are far fewer flaws
found. Windows is also a much bigger target since holes that appear
in the desktop can often be exploited on servers and vise versa.
Also - as I've said before, MS integrates their applications into the
OS. All those holes in MSIE would not be a concern on a server if MS
didn't insist on it being required on a *server* just to make it run.

Personally, I don't want me or my company to end up in court on the
losing end of a suit by one of our financial customers when the
attorney says "But Mr. Bob, *everyone* know Windows is full of holes,
even a non-techie like myself. Why would you put your customer's data
at risk when you knew how dangerous it was?". Trust me, if an
insurance company has to pay out, you _will_ get sued.
I assume you meant "protecting" their data. :)

Well, actually, I do often protest their data, as well as their input
to the graphical design part of the job. But, it is _their_ site,
so I keep quiet most of the time :)
 
J

Jim Cheshire

I know the feeling! I used to do Web design and graphic design for a
living, and I don't think I'd ever go back to it. "No, I want it to be
bright yellow and K-Mart green and flashing!"

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
================================
Author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
================================
The opinions expressed by me in the
newsgroups are my own opinions and
are in no way associated with my
employer or any other party. Jimco is
not associated in any way with any other
entity.
 
C

chris leeds

ahhh yes, customer requests.
it never ceases to amaze me that people actually think they can come up with
a better idea on a cocktail napkin than me with thousands of hours and MS
with millions of hours experience can come up with. it's always vexing.
every once in a while I get a customer that wants to change things and every
time they do, it actually gets better. usually it's a female with a real
sense of style and color. I let them go and do their changes, and take full
credit for how "pretty" it is. I even have a lady who I'll ask for opinions
and suggestions, since she's such a natural talent.
Style sheets make this stuff a lot easier. ;-)
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

Yah know what I've done recently...I tell the client to pick some of their favorite colors. Then I use a really cool color wheel program to generate color pallettes based on their colors...complimentary, analogous..splits, etc. I email the client several different pallettes to choose from...then I stick to the pallette. NO...dayglow yellow text does not work on a pink background...oh?

sheesh.


| ahhh yes, customer requests.
| it never ceases to amaze me that people actually think they can come up with
| a better idea on a cocktail napkin than me with thousands of hours and MS
| with millions of hours experience can come up with. it's always vexing.
| every once in a while I get a customer that wants to change things and every
| time they do, it actually gets better. usually it's a female with a real
| sense of style and color. I let them go and do their changes, and take full
| credit for how "pretty" it is. I even have a lady who I'll ask for opinions
| and suggestions, since she's such a natural talent.
| Style sheets make this stuff a lot easier. ;-)
|
|
| --
| The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
| spam.
| Please feel free to contact me here:
| http://nedp.net/contact/
| --
|
|
| | > I know the feeling! I used to do Web design and graphic design for a
| > living, and I don't think I'd ever go back to it. "No, I want it to be
| > bright yellow and K-Mart green and flashing!"
| >
| > --
| > Jim Cheshire
| > Jimco
| > http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| > ================================
| > Author of Special Edition
| > Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| > 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| > ================================
| > The opinions expressed by me in the
| > newsgroups are my own opinions and
| > are in no way associated with my
| > employer or any other party. Jimco is
| > not associated in any way with any other
| > entity.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:12:03 -0500, "Jim Cheshire"
| > >
| > > >The Linux/Unix platform has a history of allowing severe security flaws
| > to
| > > >exist for an extended period of time without being patched.
| > >
| > > That's not typically true. In addition, there are far fewer flaws
| > > found. Windows is also a much bigger target since holes that appear
| > > in the desktop can often be exploited on servers and vise versa.
| > > Also - as I've said before, MS integrates their applications into the
| > > OS. All those holes in MSIE would not be a concern on a server if MS
| > > didn't insist on it being required on a *server* just to make it run.
| > >
| > > Personally, I don't want me or my company to end up in court on the
| > > losing end of a suit by one of our financial customers when the
| > > attorney says "But Mr. Bob, *everyone* know Windows is full of holes,
| > > even a non-techie like myself. Why would you put your customer's data
| > > at risk when you knew how dangerous it was?". Trust me, if an
| > > insurance company has to pay out, you _will_ get sued.
| > >
| > > >I assume you meant "protecting" their data. :)
| > >
| > > Well, actually, I do often protest their data, as well as their input
| > > to the graphical design part of the job. But, it is _their_ site,
| > > so I keep quiet most of the time :)
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

chris leeds

what program do you use for this?

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Yah know what I've done recently...I tell the client to pick some of their
favorite colors. Then I use a really cool color wheel program to generate
color pallettes based on their colors...complimentary, analogous..splits,
etc. I email the client several different pallettes to choose from...then I
stick to the pallette. NO...dayglow yellow text does not work on a pink
background...oh?

sheesh.


| ahhh yes, customer requests.
| it never ceases to amaze me that people actually think they can come up
with
| a better idea on a cocktail napkin than me with thousands of hours and MS
| with millions of hours experience can come up with. it's always vexing.
| every once in a while I get a customer that wants to change things and
every
| time they do, it actually gets better. usually it's a female with a real
| sense of style and color. I let them go and do their changes, and take
full
| credit for how "pretty" it is. I even have a lady who I'll ask for
opinions
| and suggestions, since she's such a natural talent.
| Style sheets make this stuff a lot easier. ;-)
|
|
| --
| The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all
the
| spam.
| Please feel free to contact me here:
| http://nedp.net/contact/
| --
|
|
| | > I know the feeling! I used to do Web design and graphic design for a
| > living, and I don't think I'd ever go back to it. "No, I want it to be
| > bright yellow and K-Mart green and flashing!"
| >
| > --
| > Jim Cheshire
| > Jimco
| > http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| > ================================
| > Author of Special Edition
| > Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| > 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| > ================================
| > The opinions expressed by me in the
| > newsgroups are my own opinions and
| > are in no way associated with my
| > employer or any other party. Jimco is
| > not associated in any way with any other
| > entity.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:12:03 -0500, "Jim Cheshire"
| > >
| > > >The Linux/Unix platform has a history of allowing severe security
flaws
| > to
| > > >exist for an extended period of time without being patched.
| > >
| > > That's not typically true. In addition, there are far fewer flaws
| > > found. Windows is also a much bigger target since holes that appear
| > > in the desktop can often be exploited on servers and vise versa.
| > > Also - as I've said before, MS integrates their applications into the
| > > OS. All those holes in MSIE would not be a concern on a server if MS
| > > didn't insist on it being required on a *server* just to make it run.
| > >
| > > Personally, I don't want me or my company to end up in court on the
| > > losing end of a suit by one of our financial customers when the
| > > attorney says "But Mr. Bob, *everyone* know Windows is full of holes,
| > > even a non-techie like myself. Why would you put your customer's data
| > > at risk when you knew how dangerous it was?". Trust me, if an
| > > insurance company has to pay out, you _will_ get sued.
| > >
| > > >I assume you meant "protecting" their data. :)
| > >
| > > Well, actually, I do often protest their data, as well as their input
| > > to the graphical design part of the job. But, it is _their_ site,
| > > so I keep quiet most of the time :)
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

ColorWheel Pro http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/

It's 40 bucks but if you put a link to them on your website they will send you an activation code (takes a day or so). Nice people too. I love the program.

Rob


| what program do you use for this?
|
| --
| The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
| spam.
| Please feel free to contact me here:
| http://nedp.net/contact/
| --
|
|
| | Yah know what I've done recently...I tell the client to pick some of their
| favorite colors. Then I use a really cool color wheel program to generate
| color pallettes based on their colors...complimentary, analogous..splits,
| etc. I email the client several different pallettes to choose from...then I
| stick to the pallette. NO...dayglow yellow text does not work on a pink
| background...oh?
|
| sheesh.
|
|
| | | ahhh yes, customer requests.
| | it never ceases to amaze me that people actually think they can come up
| with
| | a better idea on a cocktail napkin than me with thousands of hours and MS
| | with millions of hours experience can come up with. it's always vexing.
| | every once in a while I get a customer that wants to change things and
| every
| | time they do, it actually gets better. usually it's a female with a real
| | sense of style and color. I let them go and do their changes, and take
| full
| | credit for how "pretty" it is. I even have a lady who I'll ask for
| opinions
| | and suggestions, since she's such a natural talent.
| | Style sheets make this stuff a lot easier. ;-)
| |
| |
| | --
| | The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all
| the
| | spam.
| | Please feel free to contact me here:
| | http://nedp.net/contact/
| | --
| |
| |
| | | | > I know the feeling! I used to do Web design and graphic design for a
| | > living, and I don't think I'd ever go back to it. "No, I want it to be
| | > bright yellow and K-Mart green and flashing!"
| | >
| | > --
| | > Jim Cheshire
| | > Jimco
| | > http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | > ================================
| | > Author of Special Edition
| | > Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | > 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | > ================================
| | > The opinions expressed by me in the
| | > newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | > are in no way associated with my
| | > employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | > not associated in any way with any other
| | > entity.
| | >
| | >
| | >
| | > | | > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:12:03 -0500, "Jim Cheshire"
| | > >
| | > > >The Linux/Unix platform has a history of allowing severe security
| flaws
| | > to
| | > > >exist for an extended period of time without being patched.
| | > >
| | > > That's not typically true. In addition, there are far fewer flaws
| | > > found. Windows is also a much bigger target since holes that appear
| | > > in the desktop can often be exploited on servers and vise versa.
| | > > Also - as I've said before, MS integrates their applications into the
| | > > OS. All those holes in MSIE would not be a concern on a server if MS
| | > > didn't insist on it being required on a *server* just to make it run.
| | > >
| | > > Personally, I don't want me or my company to end up in court on the
| | > > losing end of a suit by one of our financial customers when the
| | > > attorney says "But Mr. Bob, *everyone* know Windows is full of holes,
| | > > even a non-techie like myself. Why would you put your customer's data
| | > > at risk when you knew how dangerous it was?". Trust me, if an
| | > > insurance company has to pay out, you _will_ get sued.
| | > >
| | > > >I assume you meant "protecting" their data. :)
| | > >
| | > > Well, actually, I do often protest their data, as well as their input
| | > > to the graphical design part of the job. But, it is _their_ site,
| | > > so I keep quiet most of the time :)
| | > >
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
|
|
 

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