Recommended Windows Hosts

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chris leeds

I've got a link to a self-installing php binary for windows. it's a one
click deal and it sets it up to work with iis. I'm working locally with
windows xp pro and the iis 5.1 that came with it. double clicked the
installer and my php scripts ran on the local server. doesn't get easier
than that.
if anyone wants it I'll give you the link or email you the installer.
 
J

Joe Rohn

Hi Rob,

It can be done (although I don't understand all the server side
hardware/software configurations needed to allow it)

Here's an asp demo forum:

http://www.forumcrafters.com/tsj/forum/default.asp

Here's a php one:

http://www.forumcrafters.com/ph/phpBB2/index.php

Both on same domain but different subwebs. (Win server)

--
Joe

Forum Crafters:
http://www.forumcrafters.com
FrontPage Users Forums:
http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage

They look the best yet..price and features.

How do you do PHP and ASP on same server? Is there a PHP emulator or
sumpin'?


| I've been very pleased with my hosting company, ehostingbiz.com. They are
| pretty cheap and have FPSE and ASP.NET support. The only thing about them
| that stinks is that they offer commission on referrals, but it's a real
pain
| to get them to send you your money! They still owe me $66.00.
|
| --
| Jim Cheshire
| Jimco
| http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| ================================
| Author of Special Edition
| Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| ================================
| The opinions expressed by me in the
| newsgroups are my own opinions and
| are in no way associated with my
| employer or any other party. Jimco is
| not associated in any way with any other
| entity.
|
|
|
message
| | Jim,
|
| You never weighed-in with any recommended hosts for Windows Servers. Do
you
| have any?
|
| I've found in my town that offers Windows 2003 at a reasonable price 14.95
| pm, with 3 free months - they seem a little "big" though. They also offer
| xnux so I could go either way. I'd prefer all my webs in at least one
place
| if possible, even if I go linux on one, windows on three...that kinda
thang.
|
| I'm probably "researching this to death" again.
|
| Robo
|
|
| | | ASP is hardly "FrontPage proprietary."
| |
| | I would never host anywhere other than Windows. I run several Web
sites,
| | and all of them are on Windows servers. Some of them are ASP or ASP.NET
| and
| | others are just static. I think you'll have a lot less heartache on a
| | Windows server. How many posts do you read here everyday that are
caused
| by
| | the case-sensitivity of *nix?
| |
| | --
| | Jim Cheshire
| | Jimco
| | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | ================================
| | Author of Special Edition
| | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | ================================
| | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | are in no way associated with my
| | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | not associated in any way with any other
| | entity.
| |
| |
| |
| | | | >
| | message
| | > | | > > I know you keep saying that :)....I just came back from a client's
| | house
| | > who's
| | > > a muckity muck at Sun though...he's got me thinking Unix again.
| | >
| | > > I'm soooo confusted now, I think I'll go back to DOS 3.0
| | >
| | > I know what you mean. If you absolutely have a need to have certain FP
| | > proprietary features (ASP, etc) in your websites then you would
probably
| | > want Windows hosting. Other than that, I would stick with the Linux
| | hosting
| | > and only set up those individual websites with Windows hosting if they
| | need
| | > it.
| | > --
| | >
| | > Wayne Moses,
| | > Gondola Webworks
| | > http://gwebworks.com
| | > http://gondolawebworks.com
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
|
|
 
C

chris leeds

here's a link for you to investigate:
http://www.kieferwebconsulting.com/winnt.html
it was sent to me by a client that has an unusual situation (size-wise)
wanting to know if it's ok. looks like a hell of a deal but I can't vouch
for any of it.

--
The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
spam.
Please feel free to contact me here:
http://nedp.net/contact/
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They look the best yet..price and features.

How do you do PHP and ASP on same server? Is there a PHP emulator or
sumpin'?


| I've been very pleased with my hosting company, ehostingbiz.com. They are
| pretty cheap and have FPSE and ASP.NET support. The only thing about them
| that stinks is that they offer commission on referrals, but it's a real
pain
| to get them to send you your money! They still owe me $66.00.
|
| --
| Jim Cheshire
| Jimco
| http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| ================================
| Author of Special Edition
| Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| ================================
| The opinions expressed by me in the
| newsgroups are my own opinions and
| are in no way associated with my
| employer or any other party. Jimco is
| not associated in any way with any other
| entity.
|
|
|
message
| | Jim,
|
| You never weighed-in with any recommended hosts for Windows Servers. Do
you
| have any?
|
| I've found in my town that offers Windows 2003 at a reasonable price 14.95
| pm, with 3 free months - they seem a little "big" though. They also offer
| xnux so I could go either way. I'd prefer all my webs in at least one
place
| if possible, even if I go linux on one, windows on three...that kinda
thang.
|
| I'm probably "researching this to death" again.
|
| Robo
|
|
| | | ASP is hardly "FrontPage proprietary."
| |
| | I would never host anywhere other than Windows. I run several Web
sites,
| | and all of them are on Windows servers. Some of them are ASP or ASP.NET
| and
| | others are just static. I think you'll have a lot less heartache on a
| | Windows server. How many posts do you read here everyday that are
caused
| by
| | the case-sensitivity of *nix?
| |
| | --
| | Jim Cheshire
| | Jimco
| | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | ================================
| | Author of Special Edition
| | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | ================================
| | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | are in no way associated with my
| | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | not associated in any way with any other
| | entity.
| |
| |
| |
| | | | >
| | message
| | > | | > > I know you keep saying that :)....I just came back from a client's
| | house
| | > who's
| | > > a muckity muck at Sun though...he's got me thinking Unix again.
| | >
| | > > I'm soooo confusted now, I think I'll go back to DOS 3.0
| | >
| | > I know what you mean. If you absolutely have a need to have certain FP
| | > proprietary features (ASP, etc) in your websites then you would
probably
| | > want Windows hosting. Other than that, I would stick with the Linux
| | hosting
| | > and only set up those individual websites with Windows hosting if they
| | need
| | > it.
| | > --
| | >
| | > Wayne Moses,
| | > Gondola Webworks
| | > http://gwebworks.com
| | > http://gondolawebworks.com
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
|
|
 
?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

I didn't really want to mix the two...I was just wondering if php could run on windows server.

I think all youse guize kinda got me headed to a window server this weekend maybe.

On another note...a friend of mine says his server wants to charge him 25 bucks a month additional to run a PHP forum....doesn't that sound odd/expensive?? I mean aren't most php forums open source for private use?

Robo


| Hi Rob,
|
| It can be done (although I don't understand all the server side
| hardware/software configurations needed to allow it)
|
| Here's an asp demo forum:
|
| http://www.forumcrafters.com/tsj/forum/default.asp
|
| Here's a php one:
|
| http://www.forumcrafters.com/ph/phpBB2/index.php
|
| Both on same domain but different subwebs. (Win server)
|
| --
| Joe
|
| Forum Crafters:
| http://www.forumcrafters.com
| FrontPage Users Forums:
| http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage
|
| | They look the best yet..price and features.
|
| How do you do PHP and ASP on same server? Is there a PHP emulator or
| sumpin'?
|
|
| | | I've been very pleased with my hosting company, ehostingbiz.com. They are
| | pretty cheap and have FPSE and ASP.NET support. The only thing about them
| | that stinks is that they offer commission on referrals, but it's a real
| pain
| | to get them to send you your money! They still owe me $66.00.
| |
| | --
| | Jim Cheshire
| | Jimco
| | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | ================================
| | Author of Special Edition
| | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | ================================
| | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | are in no way associated with my
| | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | not associated in any way with any other
| | entity.
| |
| |
| |
| message
| | | | Jim,
| |
| | You never weighed-in with any recommended hosts for Windows Servers. Do
| you
| | have any?
| |
| | I've found in my town that offers Windows 2003 at a reasonable price 14.95
| | pm, with 3 free months - they seem a little "big" though. They also offer
| | xnux so I could go either way. I'd prefer all my webs in at least one
| place
| | if possible, even if I go linux on one, windows on three...that kinda
| thang.
| |
| | I'm probably "researching this to death" again.
| |
| | Robo
| |
| |
| | | | | ASP is hardly "FrontPage proprietary."
| | |
| | | I would never host anywhere other than Windows. I run several Web
| sites,
| | | and all of them are on Windows servers. Some of them are ASP or ASP.NET
| | and
| | | others are just static. I think you'll have a lot less heartache on a
| | | Windows server. How many posts do you read here everyday that are
| caused
| | by
| | | the case-sensitivity of *nix?
| | |
| | | --
| | | Jim Cheshire
| | | Jimco
| | | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | | ================================
| | | Author of Special Edition
| | | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | | ================================
| | | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | | are in no way associated with my
| | | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | | not associated in any way with any other
| | | entity.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | | | | >
| | | message
| | | > | | | > > I know you keep saying that :)....I just came back from a client's
| | | house
| | | > who's
| | | > > a muckity muck at Sun though...he's got me thinking Unix again.
| | | >
| | | > > I'm soooo confusted now, I think I'll go back to DOS 3.0
| | | >
| | | > I know what you mean. If you absolutely have a need to have certain FP
| | | > proprietary features (ASP, etc) in your websites then you would
| probably
| | | > want Windows hosting. Other than that, I would stick with the Linux
| | | hosting
| | | > and only set up those individual websites with Windows hosting if they
| | | need
| | | > it.
| | | > --
| | | >
| | | > Wayne Moses,
| | | > Gondola Webworks
| | | > http://gwebworks.com
| | | > http://gondolawebworks.com
| | | >
| | | >
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|
 
?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

Ya know I'm thinkin',,, why rely on referrals when something like ehostbiz type companies are selling a pretty nice package for only 10 bucks a month...why not just bill the client 15.00 a month and offer a full design/admin package? Sheesh if the referral rates only 5% why bother with it...make the money from the client instead...it's not like 15.00 would be a rip off...dang that would be a smoking price anyway!


| I use to make about $300/month when my host offer referral income, they change their plan, but I
| haven't had time to look at it.
|
| --
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
| FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | Thanks, I checkem out.
|
| I wonder if anyone ever makes any money on referrals and affliate programs...I've never made a
| penny - not that I get that much traffic, but with 20,000 hits you'd think I'd have gotten a nickel
| at least.
|
|
| | | I've been very pleased with my hosting company, ehostingbiz.com. They are
| | pretty cheap and have FPSE and ASP.NET support. The only thing about them
| | that stinks is that they offer commission on referrals, but it's a real pain
| | to get them to send you your money! They still owe me $66.00.
| |
| | --
| | Jim Cheshire
| | Jimco
| | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | ================================
| | Author of Special Edition
| | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | ================================
| | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | are in no way associated with my
| | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | not associated in any way with any other
| | entity.
| |
| |
| |
| | | | Jim,
| |
| | You never weighed-in with any recommended hosts for Windows Servers. Do you
| | have any?
| |
| | I've found in my town that offers Windows 2003 at a reasonable price 14.95
| | pm, with 3 free months - they seem a little "big" though. They also offer
| | xnux so I could go either way. I'd prefer all my webs in at least one place
| | if possible, even if I go linux on one, windows on three...that kinda thang.
| |
| | I'm probably "researching this to death" again.
| |
| | Robo
| |
| |
| | | | | ASP is hardly "FrontPage proprietary."
| | |
| | | I would never host anywhere other than Windows. I run several Web sites,
| | | and all of them are on Windows servers. Some of them are ASP or ASP.NET
| | and
| | | others are just static. I think you'll have a lot less heartache on a
| | | Windows server. How many posts do you read here everyday that are caused
| | by
| | | the case-sensitivity of *nix?
| | |
| | | --
| | | Jim Cheshire
| | | Jimco
| | | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | | ================================
| | | Author of Special Edition
| | | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | | ================================
| | | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | | are in no way associated with my
| | | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | | not associated in any way with any other
| | | entity.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | | | | >
| | | message
| | | > | | | > > I know you keep saying that :)....I just came back from a client's
| | | house
| | | > who's
| | | > > a muckity muck at Sun though...he's got me thinking Unix again.
| | | >
| | | > > I'm soooo confusted now, I think I'll go back to DOS 3.0
| | | >
| | | > I know what you mean. If you absolutely have a need to have certain FP
| | | > proprietary features (ASP, etc) in your websites then you would probably
| | | > want Windows hosting. Other than that, I would stick with the Linux
| | | hosting
| | | > and only set up those individual websites with Windows hosting if they
| | | need
| | | > it.
| | | > --
| | | >
| | | > Wayne Moses,
| | | > Gondola Webworks
| | | > http://gwebworks.com
| | | > http://gondolawebworks.com
| | | >
| | | >
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|
 
J

Joe Rohn

Hi Rob,

The $25.00 per month charge is very steep unless the host is custom building
the forum himself. There's lots of open source free forums around. If your
friend is putting up the forum himself..on his server space..then in reality
there shouldn't be any additional charges. (possible exceptions being if
that caused him to go over allotted disk space or bandwidth usage)

--
Joe

Forum Crafters:
http://www.forumcrafters.com
FrontPage Users Forums:
http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage

I didn't really want to mix the two...I was just wondering if php could run
on windows server.

I think all youse guize kinda got me headed to a window server this weekend
maybe.

On another note...a friend of mine says his server wants to charge him 25
bucks a month additional to run a PHP forum....doesn't that sound
odd/expensive?? I mean aren't most php forums open source for private use?

Robo


| Hi Rob,
|
| It can be done (although I don't understand all the server side
| hardware/software configurations needed to allow it)
|
| Here's an asp demo forum:
|
| http://www.forumcrafters.com/tsj/forum/default.asp
|
| Here's a php one:
|
| http://www.forumcrafters.com/ph/phpBB2/index.php
|
| Both on same domain but different subwebs. (Win server)
|
| --
| Joe
|
| Forum Crafters:
| http://www.forumcrafters.com
| FrontPage Users Forums:
| http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage
|
message
| | They look the best yet..price and features.
|
| How do you do PHP and ASP on same server? Is there a PHP emulator or
| sumpin'?
|
|
| | | I've been very pleased with my hosting company, ehostingbiz.com. They
are
| | pretty cheap and have FPSE and ASP.NET support. The only thing about
them
| | that stinks is that they offer commission on referrals, but it's a real
| pain
| | to get them to send you your money! They still owe me $66.00.
| |
| | --
| | Jim Cheshire
| | Jimco
| | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | ================================
| | Author of Special Edition
| | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | ================================
| | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | are in no way associated with my
| | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | not associated in any way with any other
| | entity.
| |
| |
| |
| message
| | | | Jim,
| |
| | You never weighed-in with any recommended hosts for Windows Servers. Do
| you
| | have any?
| |
| | I've found in my town that offers Windows 2003 at a reasonable price
14.95
| | pm, with 3 free months - they seem a little "big" though. They also
offer
| | xnux so I could go either way. I'd prefer all my webs in at least one
| place
| | if possible, even if I go linux on one, windows on three...that kinda
| thang.
| |
| | I'm probably "researching this to death" again.
| |
| | Robo
| |
| |
| | | | | ASP is hardly "FrontPage proprietary."
| | |
| | | I would never host anywhere other than Windows. I run several Web
| sites,
| | | and all of them are on Windows servers. Some of them are ASP or
ASP.NET
| | and
| | | others are just static. I think you'll have a lot less heartache on a
| | | Windows server. How many posts do you read here everyday that are
| caused
| | by
| | | the case-sensitivity of *nix?
| | |
| | | --
| | | Jim Cheshire
| | | Jimco
| | | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | | ================================
| | | Author of Special Edition
| | | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | | ================================
| | | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | | are in no way associated with my
| | | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | | not associated in any way with any other
| | | entity.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | | | | >
| | | message
| | | > | | | > > I know you keep saying that :)....I just came back from a
client's
| | | house
| | | > who's
| | | > > a muckity muck at Sun though...he's got me thinking Unix again.
| | | >
| | | > > I'm soooo confusted now, I think I'll go back to DOS 3.0
| | | >
| | | > I know what you mean. If you absolutely have a need to have certain
FP
| | | > proprietary features (ASP, etc) in your websites then you would
| probably
| | | > want Windows hosting. Other than that, I would stick with the Linux
| | | hosting
| | | > and only set up those individual websites with Windows hosting if
they
| | | need
| | | > it.
| | | > --
| | | >
| | | > Wayne Moses,
| | | > Gondola Webworks
| | | > http://gwebworks.com
| | | > http://gondolawebworks.com
| | | >
| | | >
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|
 
B

Bob

Ya know I'm thinkin',,, why rely on referrals when something like ehostbiz type companies
are selling a pretty nice package for only 10 bucks a month...why not just bill the client
15.00 a month and offer a full design/admin package? Sheesh if the referral rates only 5%
why bother with it...make the money from the client instead...it's not like 15.00 would be
a rip off...dang that would be a smoking price anyway!


That's what I do. Buy a reseller package and just sell the client a
chunk of it for a few extra bucks a month. The only downside is that
you might blow some of your profit off in support - but the client
always calls you first anyway so you might as well be acting as a
reseller and perhaps make a few bucks.

Back on the Unix vs. Windows: I like ASP, but the constant security
holes in Windows keep me from hosting clients on the Windows platform.
I do _not_ want to have client data on Windows servers ... I just
don't trust the security.
 
?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

That's what I thought...maybe they are setting the whole thing up for him...even still that's kinda steep.


| Hi Rob,
|
| The $25.00 per month charge is very steep unless the host is custom building
| the forum himself. There's lots of open source free forums around. If your
| friend is putting up the forum himself..on his server space..then in reality
| there shouldn't be any additional charges. (possible exceptions being if
| that caused him to go over allotted disk space or bandwidth usage)
|
| --
| Joe
|
| Forum Crafters:
| http://www.forumcrafters.com
| FrontPage Users Forums:
| http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage
|
| | I didn't really want to mix the two...I was just wondering if php could run
| on windows server.
|
| I think all youse guize kinda got me headed to a window server this weekend
| maybe.
|
| On another note...a friend of mine says his server wants to charge him 25
| bucks a month additional to run a PHP forum....doesn't that sound
| odd/expensive?? I mean aren't most php forums open source for private use?
|
| Robo
|
|
| | | Hi Rob,
| |
| | It can be done (although I don't understand all the server side
| | hardware/software configurations needed to allow it)
| |
| | Here's an asp demo forum:
| |
| | http://www.forumcrafters.com/tsj/forum/default.asp
| |
| | Here's a php one:
| |
| | http://www.forumcrafters.com/ph/phpBB2/index.php
| |
| | Both on same domain but different subwebs. (Win server)
| |
| | --
| | Joe
| |
| | Forum Crafters:
| | http://www.forumcrafters.com
| | FrontPage Users Forums:
| | http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage
| |
| message
| | | | They look the best yet..price and features.
| |
| | How do you do PHP and ASP on same server? Is there a PHP emulator or
| | sumpin'?
| |
| |
| | | | | I've been very pleased with my hosting company, ehostingbiz.com. They
| are
| | | pretty cheap and have FPSE and ASP.NET support. The only thing about
| them
| | | that stinks is that they offer commission on referrals, but it's a real
| | pain
| | | to get them to send you your money! They still owe me $66.00.
| | |
| | | --
| | | Jim Cheshire
| | | Jimco
| | | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | | ================================
| | | Author of Special Edition
| | | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | | ================================
| | | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | | are in no way associated with my
| | | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | | not associated in any way with any other
| | | entity.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | message
| | | | | | Jim,
| | |
| | | You never weighed-in with any recommended hosts for Windows Servers. Do
| | you
| | | have any?
| | |
| | | I've found in my town that offers Windows 2003 at a reasonable price
| 14.95
| | | pm, with 3 free months - they seem a little "big" though. They also
| offer
| | | xnux so I could go either way. I'd prefer all my webs in at least one
| | place
| | | if possible, even if I go linux on one, windows on three...that kinda
| | thang.
| | |
| | | I'm probably "researching this to death" again.
| | |
| | | Robo
| | |
| | |
| | | | | | | ASP is hardly "FrontPage proprietary."
| | | |
| | | | I would never host anywhere other than Windows. I run several Web
| | sites,
| | | | and all of them are on Windows servers. Some of them are ASP or
| ASP.NET
| | | and
| | | | others are just static. I think you'll have a lot less heartache on a
| | | | Windows server. How many posts do you read here everyday that are
| | caused
| | | by
| | | | the case-sensitivity of *nix?
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | Jim Cheshire
| | | | Jimco
| | | | http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| | | | ================================
| | | | Author of Special Edition
| | | | Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
| | | | 5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
| | | | ================================
| | | | The opinions expressed by me in the
| | | | newsgroups are my own opinions and
| | | | are in no way associated with my
| | | | employer or any other party. Jimco is
| | | | not associated in any way with any other
| | | | entity.
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | | | | | >
| | | | message
| | | | > | | | | > > I know you keep saying that :)....I just came back from a
| client's
| | | | house
| | | | > who's
| | | | > > a muckity muck at Sun though...he's got me thinking Unix again.
| | | | >
| | | | > > I'm soooo confusted now, I think I'll go back to DOS 3.0
| | | | >
| | | | > I know what you mean. If you absolutely have a need to have certain
| FP
| | | | > proprietary features (ASP, etc) in your websites then you would
| | probably
| | | | > want Windows hosting. Other than that, I would stick with the Linux
| | | | hosting
| | | | > and only set up those individual websites with Windows hosting if
| they
| | | | need
| | | | > it.
| | | | > --
| | | | >
| | | | > Wayne Moses,
| | | | > Gondola Webworks
| | | | > http://gwebworks.com
| | | | > http://gondolawebworks.com
| | | | >
| | | | >
| | | |
| | | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

So far non of my clients have anything worth securing, so I guess if I needed unix security I could put those on. I wish I knew what the security issues were though.

Like I said before - I've been on unix for 7-8 years so dunno what the windows security issues are, or would be.


| On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:04:57 -0700, Crash Gordon®
|
| >Ya know I'm thinkin',,, why rely on referrals when something like ehostbiz type companies
| >are selling a pretty nice package for only 10 bucks a month...why not just bill the client
| >15.00 a month and offer a full design/admin package? Sheesh if the referral rates only 5%
| >why bother with it...make the money from the client instead...it's not like 15.00 would be
| >a rip off...dang that would be a smoking price anyway!
|
|
| That's what I do. Buy a reseller package and just sell the client a
| chunk of it for a few extra bucks a month. The only downside is that
| you might blow some of your profit off in support - but the client
| always calls you first anyway so you might as well be acting as a
| reseller and perhaps make a few bucks.
|
| Back on the Unix vs. Windows: I like ASP, but the constant security
| holes in Windows keep me from hosting clients on the Windows platform.
| I do _not_ want to have client data on Windows servers ... I just
| don't trust the security.
|
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

It is fairly easy to keep your database safe under a Windows server using ASP/Access.

1. Do not store the database within the web site (fpdb folder), this requires your host to allow the
database to be stored outside of the web root, and is accessible only via FTP.

2. Use a System DSN, so even if the someone can access the web site content directly with FP, etc.,
they will still not have access to the database or a path to the database, as you would when using a
file DSN or DSNless connection.

3. Custom write all ASP code and not use the FP database component.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
J

Jim Cheshire

Bob,

Your thinking is flawed. You should not trust the system that's NOT being
patched, not the one where security holes are aggresively addressed and
corrected.

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
================================
Author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
================================
The opinions expressed by me in the
newsgroups are my own opinions and
are in no way associated with my
employer or any other party. Jimco is
not associated in any way with any other
entity.
 
B

Bob

Bob,

Your thinking is flawed. You should not trust the system that's NOT being
patched, not the one where security holes are aggresively addressed and
corrected.

I respectfully disagree.

<rant>
While MS is making (at least publicly) an
attempt to repair security flaws, their system is full of them. Much
(most?) of this stems from an architectural flaw in MS's business and
technical plans. They consistently sacrifice security in the name of
integration as part of their "integrate all applications" strategy.
In a secure environment, applications run *on* the operating system,
not *in* the operating system. MS doesn't know the difference (well
actually they do, but they ignore it because it interferes with their
business strategy).

As one example, take a look at MSIE, a veritable piece of swiss cheese
when it comes to security - yet I can't run a web server without it
installed. Why ? What has a browser got to do with a web server ?
Only in MS's non-sensical courtroom statements can we find an
explanation of that oddity - and it's laughable. The real reason is
that MSIE is part of the MS OS/application/all products integration
strategy - and they've sacrificed security for integration.

As another example, take a look at the IIS bug where an errant program
could make a cgi request like "/../../../cmd.exe" (abbreviated here)
and it *ran*!!! Why would a web server, ever, ever, ever be able to
call a program as a cgi application from *outside* the web server ?
It makes no sense at all - unless you are MS, and you are calling
various components of your architecture in this way as part of
your product integration design. Again, it makes sense to no one but
MS - for them it was just a great way to integrate other SW on the
server with the IIS server - heaven forbid they should consider a
security hole the size of Mt Everest as an issue.

OR, take a look at the IIS secure account strategy. EVery vendor
except for MS sets up a user/pass system for the web server that is
totally separate from the other security systems on the server. Even
MS did that for their other applications. But, when it came to IIS,
they used the NT user/pass database as the security for the web
server. Why ? Because it allowed them to sell IIS to the corporate
environment as a "one login" solution - log on to your system in the
morning and gain access to web resources through the same login. It
also allowed them to avoid writing a security layer for the web
server and instead they layered a calamity on top of the NTFS
security. So, as an IIS administrator, anyone who needs access to
any restricted resource now has a *user* account on my server.
Tell me how that makes sense in terms of security.

Those are just three examples. The point is that they don't keep a
safe and secure distance between the applications and the OS
because their business goals and plans are in direct opposition
to that. They consistently sacrifice security when it comes up
against "features" or development time. Instead of redesigning
Windows to actually run applications in a secure, isolated fashion,
they integrate, integrate, integrate. I'g say that "they don't know
squat about security" but actually I know better. They do know squat
about security - they just choose to ignore it. You can't fix a broken
architecture by treating the _symptoms_ as they do with these constant
patches, you have to treat the _problem_. MS's goals and business
strategies are the problem and they refuse to revise them as it
might affect profits.
</rant>
 
J

Jim Cheshire

Your comments seem to indicate that you are simply another anti-Microsoft
zealot. For example, you say, "While MS is making (at least publicly) an
attempt to repair security flaws...". In fact, Microsoft IS repairing
security flaws. Perhaps you can explain how you can publicly repair
security flaws without doing so internally. If you've been reading tech
news over the last few years, you would know that Microsoft is absolutely
committed to security. You would also know that Windows is the most secure
operating system available today.

You disagree with me because of your lack of information and you bias. As
an example of my assertion, there was recently a security hole in Linux that
allowed someone hitting a Web server to easily elevate their privileges to
root. It was widely reported. You know how long it took them to fix it? 8
months! That's just unbelievable, and it's laughable that anyone would
claim that Windows is less secure than that. By the time you read of a
security flaw in Windows, Microsoft has already patched it, and Microsoft is
the only company that has a very simple and effective way to ensure that
your OS is always up-to-date.

Concerning the parent-pathing issue (../../), for YEARS, Microsoft has
recommended not allowing parent paths on the Web server. In fact, the IIS
Lockdown tool (available for a few years itself) disallows this and other
security holes. It is up to the server administrator to enable parent
pathing. Most do because they don't want to have to tell developers not to
rely on parent pathing. Make that choice and the consequences are yours,
not Microsoft's.

Concerning the requirement to have a Windows account in order to be
authenticated to the Web server, how in the world do you perceive this as a
security flaw? Your criticism of this approach shows a bit of
short-sightedness. Do you develop multi-tier Web applications? I don't
think you do, because if you did, you would realize how critical such a
system is to a good user-experience. In a multi-tiered environment, I may
hit five or six different resources that require authentication. You think
it's actually a good idea to require users to enter their credentials over
and over and over and over? Worse yet, do you think it's acceptible to
allow multiple systems to authenticate me by proxy? Microsoft systems don't
allow that unless you have explicitly configured delegation. Once again, a
very secure architecture.

It is also much more secure to use integrated security for data source
connections than it is to use the credentials in plain text in the
connection string. People who understand complex application architecture
and security issues across systems understand how critical Windows
Integrated authentication is, and with Kerberos authentication and
delegation, Microsoft has a very good story to tell in this area.

To close, I think it's clear to those who think about these matters that
security holes in Microsoft products (even though they are already patched)
are more publicized than in other systems simply because of the fact that a
very high percentage of computers in the world are running Microsoft
software. If you were a virus or worm writer, would you target a system
used by single-digit percentages, or would you target systems in use by a
wide majority of people in the world? I know the answer, and I think you do
too!

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
================================
Author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003
5 Stars on Amazon and B&N
================================
The opinions expressed by me in the
newsgroups are my own opinions and
are in no way associated with my
employer or any other party. Jimco is
not associated in any way with any other
entity.
 
G

Guest

I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers live in the U. S.)
 
C

chris leeds

the thing that worries me about offers like these;
If you're one of the few that actually use all that capacity, your site has
a tendency to fail more often than not and they won't give you service.
it's sort of the "goodbye look" a better steely dan song than business
tactic. ;-)

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spam.
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Carole Hall said:
I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest
plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page
support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it
sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers
live in the U. S.)
 
?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

The 7.95 package seems pretty ok. Sounds like they're givin' away the store though...buy one year and get another year free?

Check out the free downloadable templates though!...I may just play with a few of them myself.


| I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers live in the U. S.)
 
?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

you know how some of those sites just have that 'look' about them? you know what i mean?


| the thing that worries me about offers like these;
| If you're one of the few that actually use all that capacity, your site has
| a tendency to fail more often than not and they won't give you service.
| it's sort of the "goodbye look" a better steely dan song than business
| tactic. ;-)
|
| --
| The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
| spam.
| Please feel free to contact me here:
| http://nedp.net/contact/
| --
|
|
| | > I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest
| plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page
| support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it
| sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers
| live in the U. S.)
|
|
 
C

chris leeds

I do. I know exactly what you mean.

--
The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
spam.
Please feel free to contact me here:
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you know how some of those sites just have that 'look' about them? you know
what i mean?


| the thing that worries me about offers like these;
| If you're one of the few that actually use all that capacity, your site
has
| a tendency to fail more often than not and they won't give you service.
| it's sort of the "goodbye look" a better steely dan song than business
| tactic. ;-)
|
| --
| The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all
the
| spam.
| Please feel free to contact me here:
| http://nedp.net/contact/
| --
|
|
| | > I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapest
| plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Page
| support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as it
| sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customers
| live in the U. S.)
|
|
 
G

Guest

I'm sure I wouldn't use that much space, but it would be nice to have to work with; as I have said before, my collection is HUGE
---- chris leeds wrote: ----

the thing that worries me about offers like these
If you're one of the few that actually use all that capacity, your site ha
a tendency to fail more often than not and they won't give you service
it's sort of the "goodbye look" a better steely dan song than busines
tactic. ;-

-
The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all th
spam
Please feel free to contact me here
http://nedp.net/contact
-


Carole Hall said:
I found this site through Google: http://www.canaca.com/ Their cheapes
plan gives you 5 GB of space for $3.95 a month and it does have Front Pag
support/extensions. Has anybody used it to tell if it is as good as i
sounds? (It's a Canadian site, but they said that 70% of their customer
live in the U. S.)
 

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