re CalcPlus - FREE from Microsoft.

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pjp

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) said:
I am all for Brussels directives (except for the perfectly straight
bananas and all mange-tout peas having to be the same size crap).. there
is no doubt that supplying in litres made it look way better for HMG..
have you noticed that HMG only applies Brussels directives that will make
HMG employees look less like legalised bandits?..



And don't you love the way that the Chancellor places tax on stuff but not
for a year maybe, and then when the time comes for all to pay up, he
sticks another tax increase in payable from midnight.. :)




Canadians get hussled in the same way as Brits.. our gas is sold by the
litre and is presently 80¢ per litre locally and a gallon here is a UK
gallon, not the smaller US gallon.. in real terms, the US price advantage
is not as good as it appears,but still a whole lot better than the
UK/Euro..

Gas (petrol) consumption is affected by a few factors, one of which is
temperature.. this evens the balance more still as colder air found in the
Great White North and the UK, being more dense, improves efficiency over
those living in hotter climes to the south.. in this way, the deal that
some US people get is worse still. :)


Wow, you are old.. :) .. my first recollection of gas prices was paying 6s
8d for a gallon of five star back in '69.. for 10 'bob', I could get a
gallon of gas for the CB750, get drunk and top it all off with a pork
batch from Brookies (a locally famous butcher/pork batch shop in Earlson,
Coventry UK)

I can remember my 1978 Honda CB750 (original sohc and 4 pipes) was < $5
(Can.) to fill when new
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

Whoa, uh, well, that would put you in my father's age bracket, Bill.<GD&R>
 
B

billurie

Michael said:
Whoa, uh, well, that would put you in my father's age bracket, Bill.<GD&R>
Could very well be the case, Michael. But I am still
capable of exercising the brain cells on occasion,
or at least I try.

Bill Lurie
 
G

Guest

Hello there, get with the times.

The fuel consumption figures when associated with Litres is measured by
consumption of fuel against distance travelled. SO it is expressed as Litres
per 100 Kilometres. So now as you appear to be in the UK, means litres per
63 miles [say 60 miles to be close enough]. The next problem is that your
speed is shown as Miles per Hour and the odometer records distance travelled
in miles.

You'll then need to do a conversion in order to get bak to your miles per
litre!

So it would be easier for you to remember that an imperial gallon is 4.5
litres, the US gallon is 4 litres.

Thus if your fuel guage is fuel and you run until empty, record the number
of litres required to fill your tank. Run until you refuel, again remember
how much fuel you've put it and then divide by 4.5. Now you have gallons of
fuel use, so read off the odometer and you have your miles travelled and
divide the number of gallons....and you'll have miles per gallon reading that
you require.

So one would need a programmable calculator to get all of this for you or
get back to your miles per litre.

Basic conversion in a calculator doesn't allow for mixed units of measure,
such as volume in metric and distance in imperial!
 
M

Miss Perspicacia Tick

Yabbadoo wrote:
(Think your telling me porkies - you had a whole QUID to spend!)

Thought you had an English degree? Those with a degree in English know the
difference between 'your' and 'you're' - the former is a possessive
adjective, the latter a contraction of you are - guess which is the correct
one here?
 
G

Guest

Rule Britannia - but which ruler?

At the same time as the introduction of metric measurement of the volume of
fuel, it was proposed to introduce the metric measure for distance. This was
stopped due to the enormous cost to alter every signpost showing a distance!
A small island with lots of roads and an even greater number of signposts.

Some facts regarding the UK's adoption of metric meaures:
In the mid-20th century, Britain recognised that there were substantial
benefits to industry, trade and education by implementing the metric system.
As a result, in 1965, the government announced plans to adopt the metric
system in Britain and led the entire Commonwealth to do the same. More than
38 years later Britain is the only Commonwealth country that has not
completed the transition.

Metric units of measurement are now used for most transactions regulated by
the Weights and Measures Act 1985. In addition, it is Government policy to
encourage the adoption of the metric system for other purposes, including
public administration.

The British public has not benefited from the consistency of the metric
system. Metric labelling on packaged food was introduced in 1995 however it
took a further five years for metric weighing of loose food to be mandated in
2000.

What was the sense in introducing the sale of petrol in litres in the late
1980s and at the same time keeping road distances in miles.

As an excellent example of this confusion, roads are designed and buildings
constructed using exclusively metres. Regulations for the dimensions of
parking bays, road signs and road markings are given in metric units.
Commercial vehicles are required to be equipped with tachographs which record
using kilometre-based measurements. However, distance signs and speed limits
are exclusively in miles, yards and miles per hour, whilst feet and inches
predominate in height and width restrictions where signposted!

Rule Britannia - but which ruler?
 
M

Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)

Who said anything about getting drunk?.. I had to make sure that a
motorcycle weighing in on the wrong side of 500lbs stayed more or less
upright.. :)

Re. Triumphs.. loved Bonnevilles (650 pre-unit) especially in Triton
format.. was it tappet rattle, piston slap, or a finely tuned duet?.. always
had a hankering for a DBD 34 Gold Star, but watched too many disable
themselves during the starting procedure.. also disliked the idea of weekly
rebuilds and getting red Hermetite on my hands, hence the CB750..

Canada has electricity now, so we use block heaters (a small version of an
immersion heater).. problem is that if you use a cover to protect the
connection plug being eaten away by salt, it very often freezes in place..
but as the tires have frozen to the bricks (also frozen to the driveway)
that one uses to prevent the vehicle sliding off of the driveway, who
cares.. :)

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user
 
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David Candy

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Y

Yabbadoo

I made a typo. Simple as that, esp. late at night. For this, mea culpa.
Have you opened the dictionary yet, at the F listing ?
Len
 
Y

Yabbadoo

Hi, BAR - I already do it the simple way. Fill the tank to the top, check
the miles, divide by litres re-filled, I have my lpg (litres per gallon) -
multiply by 4,54, have mpg. Re-set odometer, job done. Done that for years,
exactly as you describe.
Thanks though for confirmation it's the right way.
Len.

BAR said:
Hello there, get with the times.

The fuel consumption figures when associated with Litres is measured by
consumption of fuel against distance travelled. SO it is expressed as
Litres
per 100 Kilometres. So now as you appear to be in the UK, means litres
per
63 miles [say 60 miles to be close enough]. The next problem is that your
speed is shown as Miles per Hour and the odometer records distance
travelled
in miles.

You'll then need to do a conversion in order to get bak to your miles per
litre!

So it would be easier for you to remember that an imperial gallon is 4.5
litres, the US gallon is 4 litres.

Thus if your fuel guage is fuel and you run until empty, record the number
of litres required to fill your tank. Run until you refuel, again
remember
how much fuel you've put it and then divide by 4.5. Now you have gallons
of
fuel use, so read off the odometer and you have your miles travelled and
divide the number of gallons....and you'll have miles per gallon reading
that
you require.

So one would need a programmable calculator to get all of this for you or
get back to your miles per litre.

Basic conversion in a calculator doesn't allow for mixed units of measure,
such as volume in metric and distance in imperial!

Yabbadoo said:
Don't want to be critical, BUT ....
Have downloaded CalcPlus - released Sept 2004 !!
Includes Currency Convertor, European currencies to Euro ??? That's
already
YEARS out of date - "local" European currencies don't exist any more,
have
been obsolete about 5 years, when the Euro became standard currency for
them
all !!
This function has no current usage whatsoever. (Correction - just one -
for
audit/review of years-old European accounts in fraud or similar
investigation, to value in "todays" currency). Limited market, I would
have
thought!

Like the other convertor, though ... but again, there's a blip. Fuel in
UK
is sold by the litre, so it would have been helpful to have had a "miles
per
litre" convertor, too (piece of cake to add).

Other than that, it's not bad. However, have I a suspicious mind, or was
this an insidious way to install a validation tool for Bill to peek into
my
pc by the back door ??

Len
 
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

If my father were still alive, I'm sure that would be the case for him as
well.

He died of Multiple Myeloma at the age of 56 in 1983 which would have him
turning 78 on his next birthday.
 
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Yabbadoo

Hi, Bar - thanks for your interesting input. Have responded point by point -
enjoy!

Sincerely, Len.
Rule Britannia - but which ruler?

God save the Queen! And our democracy, and our unwritten but nevertheless
effective constitution. (see final para for a more complete answer to your
identical closing question)
At the same time as the introduction of metric measurement of the volume
of
fuel, it was proposed to introduce the metric measure for distance. This
was
stopped due to the enormous cost to alter every signpost showing a
distance!
A small island with lots of roads and an even greater number of signposts.

Small - compared to - what? Population over 59mm (end 2002). Excluding NI
and offshore islands, main island coastline exceeds 4000 miles (from memory)
and road infrastructure was 392321 kms at end 2003**.
** (specific data from
mhttp://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_transstats/documents/page/dft_transstats_032077.pdf.
)
Some facts regarding the UK's adoption of metric meaures:
In the mid-20th century, Britain recognised that there were substantial
benefits to industry, trade and education by implementing the metric
system.
As a result, in 1965, the government announced plans to adopt the metric
system in Britain and led the entire Commonwealth to do the same. More
than
38 years later Britain is the only Commonwealth country that has not
completed the transition.

Not only that, but UK is one of the very few countries still driving on the
left.
Metric units of measurement are now used for most transactions regulated
by
the Weights and Measures Act 1985. In addition, it is Government policy to
encourage the adoption of the metric system for other purposes, including
public administration.

WMA also covers beer - they haven't succeeded in metricating our pint!
Indeed I don't recall they even tried! Do remember the national outcry on
first mention, though. They have succeeded with spirit measures - no more
1/6th (in Scotland, 1/4) of a gill, it's been 25cl for quite a while, and
has since increased in many pubs (in the South, anyway) to 35cl. Another
rip-off - hotels are charging pub 35ml price or greater, for 25cl measure.
The British public has not benefited from the consistency of the metric
system. Metric labelling on packaged food was introduced in 1995 however
it
took a further five years for metric weighing of loose food to be mandated
in
2000.

Totally agree. Butter and fats (500 grams packs replaced 1/2 lb packs almost
seamlessly, but sugar (replacing 2lb bags with 1kg bags) was a disaster -
late 60's early 70's. I well remember the artificial sugar shortage - it was
almost "black market" trading, trying to find some, for about 2 weeks till
(miraculously) metric packs appeared. And, metric labelling of prepacked
"dry" foodstuffs (cooked meat, for example) has encouraged suppliers to go
to extraordinary lengths to drag the last penny - we were all relatively
comfotable with "a quarter" (pound) of corned beef - pre-packs come in a
variety of gram sizes, completely non-standard packs. Rip-off, yet again!

As with decimalisation, metrication was a route to unnecessary and
unjustified price hikes - basic commodities never returned to equilibrium.
Who lost out? The poor and the pensioners - those least able to afford it..
What was the sense in introducing the sale of petrol in litres in the late
1980s and at the same time keeping road distances in miles.

What real benefit is there to change to kms? A distance of 50 miles (80km)
still takes an hour to drive at 50mph (80kph) and the volume of fuel
consumed remains the same, whichever liquid unit is used. It's a generation
thing - I think in mpg, my daughters (near 40 years younger - I married
late) routinely think in mpl, 'cos they were taught "metric" at school.
As an excellent example of this confusion, roads are designed and
buildings
constructed using exclusively metres. Regulations for the dimensions of
parking bays, road signs and road markings are given in metric units.
Commercial vehicles are required to be equipped with tachographs which
record
using kilometre-based measurements. However, distance signs and speed
limits
are exclusively in miles, yards and miles per hour, whilst feet and inches
predominate in height and width restrictions where signposted!

Yes, BUT commercial vehicles cost/charge their deliveries using Routemaster
(or equivalent) which also provides drivers with detailed route and
distance. This prog must use both kms and miles (for continental journeys)
and whilst I can easily find out, (won't be till tomorrow), I suspect UK
tachograph cards have dual scale recording, since they can be used both in
UK and on the Continent as evidence of speeding. Re height and width
restriction signs - all those in my area are dual (and I believe it's law
that they must be). Open to correction on that point.

Re buildings etc - give credit for one thing. Plumbing fittings and pipe
sizes metricated almost exactly to Imperial (13mm pipe/fittings fit 1/2"
without problems, ditto 19mm to 3/4 inch). If only all other trades did the
same!

Rule Britannia - but which ruler?

Not into politics, BUT - no way do we hand this country's total wealth over
to the corrupt Brussels bureaucrats and sign up to the Euro. Ted Heath sold
us down the river on the original referendum - we understood it was
basically a "free trade" agreement. Maggie T (bless her heart) considerably
retarded further involvement, but Maastricht undid much of her effort.
Gordon Brown is doing his best, but his responsibility is soon to end -
we'll have yet another Tony Crony to sell us down the river yet again, esp
as UK chairs the EU July-Dec '05. Only saving grace is the up-coming
referendum - on the wording announced, 90% of Brits will vote "NO", per
recent poll. Bring it on!!

In answer to your question - we, the voters. Sometimes we make mistakes.

Sincerely, Len
 
J

johnf

" Not only that, but UK is one of the very few countries still driving on
the left."?
Better check your homework on that one.

For starters, try -
U.K. (incl. Ireland)
Australia
New Zealand
Papua New Guinea
Japan
Africa
(I think I have all those right - someone can correct me, as i'm going from
memory)
 
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Yabbadoo

John, don't want to do a "bug" on you - but, Africa, a country?!!

I guess relative terms are in the mind of the reader. Excl. Africa for the
moment, 5 out of the approx 200 countries/states/principalities in the world
is, in my book, "few". Onto Africa - whilst the former British
"Empire/Protectorate" countries are possibly still all driving on the left,
(which I doubt) there are many more African countries influenced by Belgium,
France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, etc ....all "right-hand lane".

Doubt the "left-hand" total reaches 12. (Never was a geography or history
buff). 12 is still "few", in relative terms, versus 200 or whatever - close
enough for approximation in this context, even if I'm one or two adrift on
either count.

Appreciate your continuing interest! Sincerely, Len.
..
 
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David Candy

Not to mention your betrayal of Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand. While Australia was a diversified economy and coped somewhat well (though lost our status of richest country), New Zealand pretty much only exported to the UK.

WW1
Australia lost the highest proportion of combatants of all countries in WW1. All volunteer.
New Zealand lost the highest proportion of its population of all countries in WW1.

This was the UK's war. But we (Aus & NZ) suffered the most. We also came to your rescue in WW2.

The UK was so thankful at her loyal colonies that in 1973 she told us to go piss off.
 
Y

Yabbadoo

Born during WW2, so had nothing to do with either event, am just a product
of the second.

"Richest country" (before either war) - that surely could only be true using
"per capita" basis - by "total wealth" US economy was and still is the
largest.

Wars rarely solve anything. WW1 led to WW2, just look at the mess that left
the world in, and still ongoing. Talk about "sold down the river" - Bush
should never have gone into Iraq, he had no moral or legal right. Neither
should UK have tagged along- that was Tony's ego trip, attempting to emulate
Maggie (but the Falklands WAS justified and legal). The repercussions of
Iraq will last a long long time, and our tarnished national reputations will
probably never recover.

Do understand and sympathise with your viewpoint, though. Must say, I've met
several Aussies and New Zealanders in my lifetime, experienced nothing but
good humour (socially) and efficiency (work) with them.

Sincerely, Len


"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
Not to mention your betrayal of Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand.
While Australia was a diversified economy and coped somewhat well (though
lost our status of richest country), New Zealand pretty much only exported
to the UK.

WW1
Australia lost the highest proportion of combatants of all countries in WW1.
All volunteer.
New Zealand lost the highest proportion of its population of all countries
in WW1.

This was the UK's war. But we (Aus & NZ) suffered the most. We also came to
your rescue in WW2.

The UK was so thankful at her loyal colonies that in 1973 she told us to go
piss off.
 
D

David Candy

I'm one of the last of the baby boomers. If I had been born 6 weeks later I'd be the first of Gen X.

I'm still loyal enough to be outraged over Australia not helping in the Falklands. Rather evict Argentinians than massacre Iraqis.
 
O

Opa

Speak English?,..................Piss off.

"David Candy" <.> schreef in bericht
The official measurement is Litres per 100 Km
 

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