PUI [Program Update]

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Steven Burn

ms said:
Steve, thanks for your work on those utilities. PUI now fixed both of my
issues, the other things in the thread I'll look forward to.

New subject, but you are a programmer:
What I'd like to see is a plain text editor that works with large files,
2-4 MB, and is reliable. Editpad Lite opens large files quick, usually
works OK, but sometimes click on a file, it opens five files- all empty.
In other words, it works, except sometimes. There is another one I
discovered, it works but does not retain the font setting.

Just my rant, I guess.

Mike Sa

Mike,
I could quite easily and quite quickly, write an editor that has the
feature you've mentioned. If you'd like me to do so, let me know and I can
have one online, probably within the hour (at most).

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ms

Steven said:
Mike,
I could quite easily and quite quickly, write an editor that has the
feature you've mentioned. If you'd like me to do so, let me know and I can
have one online, probably within the hour (at most).

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Wow- I didn't expect that answer!
Awhile ago, John Corliss came up with a list of features for a good text
editor, I modified it, now can't find it, need to chean house on my hard
drive!

Anyway, here are my primary features:
* Intelligent Find and Replace, replace all
* selectable font support for normal W98 TrueType fonts
* No file size limit (under Win9x) or maybe 10 MB max
* usual edit, copy, cut, paste, delete, print functions
* no "are you sure" conformations
* usual file save functions.
* executable, option settings saved in ini file
* optional color selections

As an example of what I've used before, Editpad Classic was perfect
except it started to screw up after 4 years, and had big file issues.

I'd like something "bulletproof", that is not easily susceptable to
conflicts with other programs.

I'm sure I left something out, but these are the highlights. I guess you
know that with a text editor, you will be seeing "can you add" messages
to infinity from everyone.

If this took you a month (if you had the time), that's what I'd expect.

Comment?

Mike Sa
 
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Steven Burn

ms said:
Wow- I didn't expect that answer!
Awhile ago, John Corliss came up with a list of features for a good text
editor, I modified it, now can't find it, need to chean house on my hard
drive!

Anyway, here are my primary features:
* Intelligent Find and Replace, replace all
* selectable font support for normal W98 TrueType fonts
* No file size limit (under Win9x) or maybe 10 MB max
* usual edit, copy, cut, paste, delete, print functions
* no "are you sure" conformations
* usual file save functions.
* executable, option settings saved in ini file
* optional color selections

As an example of what I've used before, Editpad Classic was perfect
except it started to screw up after 4 years, and had big file issues.

I'd like something "bulletproof", that is not easily susceptable to
conflicts with other programs.

I'm sure I left something out, but these are the highlights. I guess you
know that with a text editor, you will be seeing "can you add" messages
to infinity from everyone.

If this took you a month (if you had the time), that's what I'd expect.

Comment?

Mike Sa

Mike,
I'll start working on it as soon as I've sent posted this and let you
know when it's done ;o)

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

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omega

ms said:
Anyway, here are my primary features:
* Intelligent Find and Replace, replace all
* selectable font support for normal W98 TrueType fonts
* No file size limit (under Win9x) or maybe 10 MB max
* usual edit, copy, cut, paste, delete, print functions
* no "are you sure" conformations
* usual file save functions.
* executable, option settings saved in ini file
* optional color selections

Mike, another question. Do you prefer MDI or SDI? SDI, that's where every
opened document means a new instance of the program. MDI, that's where the
editor can have multiple documents in a single instance; either in tabs,
else just accessible from the Window menu.

About the registry use. I've noticed that about 90% or higher of the editors
store their settings in the registry (HKCU). There are exceptions, though,
and I've kept some records on this....

Btw, my absolute favorite notepad replacement is win32pad. It's extremely
small and light, and, glancing at your criteria, I believe it meets all of
it. Yet it is SDI, and I see it as a notepad replacement only; not an
interesting editing environment with an array of text processing features.
 
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Steven Burn

<snip>

Mike,
Thought I'd let you know, I've had the bulk of it done for quite a while
now. Just about to go to bed though as the past few hours have been spent
trying to work out the cause of a very annoying bug, so will continue
working on it when I get up :blush:)

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
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omega

Heya, Mike. I mentioned in a previous message that it's only a minority
of the text editors who do us the kindness of a local ini for settings,
that the majority do HKCU. Tonight I went through my local drive, and
grouped a list of those who do not use the registry and those who do.

There is another grouping in this list. It's how I have these installed.
By interface. SDI as one group. Then I have MDI divided into two groups.
TABD, for a TABBED interface. And then the older non-tabbed style, I
just shorthand label as MDI. Then the final category, SYNTAX, that's
most often known as "Programmer's Editors." I'd have to describe my
use of that category better on some later date, not now (tonight is one
of those times when I've been unable to coax more than a few neurons
to arise from slumber).

Oh, and everything in this list is text editors. No richtext editors. And
no alternative type things (for instance treeepads), who cannot properly
be called text editors.

So I'll paste my results below. The basic thing that I find noticable is
that the criterion of no registry write unfortunately narrows down the
candidacy list a lot. Assuming this remains a strong prerequsite of yours,
the no-reg, then hopefully this list might serve some use as quickref
for those who are not sure whether one of the editors here uses HKCU for
settings.


=============================================================================
NO REGISTRY: SETTINGS FILE INSTEAD
=============================================================================

[SDI]
pitpad (ini in windir)
win32pad (local ini)
thegun and quick editor (?)
BDV notepad (local binary file for settings)
kankowski edit (local binary)
ted text (local binary)

[MDI]
mdipad (local ini)
prolix (local ini)

[TABD]
editpad (local ini)
notetab and mini notetab (local ini)
padded (local ini)
shalom texttools (local ini)
xpad (local ini)

[SYNTAX]
synnote [sdi] (local ini)
protivia lite [sdi] (local ini)
codeEdit (local ini)
hapedit (local ini)
scite (local ini)
tinn (ini in windir)
=============================================================================



=============================================================================
NO REGISTRY: NO PERSISTENT SETTINGS SUPPORTED
=============================================================================

[SDI] ash edit; e-editor; ehtml minipad
[MDI] ezedit; quicky edit; ts editor98
[TABD] extreme editor
[SYNTAX] sitevision (no settings other than recentdocs)
=============================================================================



=============================================================================
REGISTRY WRITES (HKCU)
=============================================================================

[SDI]
aezay w'right Pad
cooljot
2xeditor and editor2
edxor
metapad
notepad+1/2
NotepadEx
notepad2, Slightly Mad Team
pronotes
ted notepad
textit
whirlyed
quickpad
tiny editor (registry use only if opt for persistent settings)

[MDI]
cobpad
cnotepad
dipesh textedit (.de)
maverick and little pal
pfe programmer's file editor

[TABD]
DEdit
TextEd, Greenhouse MM
mEDIT and PTE
notespad
Pad, Hesky Data

[SYNTAX]
ab-edit
AEDix
anyedit
AR editor2k
bonfire studio
ccy texteditor (mdi, not tabd)
conText
CREdit
crimson
editman
goldenpen
gridinsoft notepadlite
jen's file editor and jen's simple SDL
mEdit, Indus Soft
nned
programmers notepad
poweredit
proton
PSPad
scriptad
sledit
smeditor
stone's texttool
superedi
sushi
syn
teratexteditor
winsyntax
=============================================================================



=============================================================================
CRIPS DEVILS AND UNENDURABLES
=============================================================================

None of the following were categorized for registry use because they have
some major problem that makes them enendurable. In the case of the SDIs
here, it's most often that they're so alpha as to lack a context menu.
In the case of the syntax editors here, it's most often that they commit
major registry abuse.

[SDI] ballpoint; editor99; eQ editor; extremepad; haxial textedit;
notepare; newpad; tabdrop; zzedit
[MDI] notepad+ by rogsoft
[SYNTAX] araneae; phpcoder; source edit; spinetext; textplorer; webniac
=============================================================================
 
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omega

There is a standard Find and Replace dialog, with Replace All. I've found
it /extremely rare/ to see less than that; thegun might be one of the
exceptions, plus maybe the occasional schoolchild's "mynotepad" project.
Then some editors have /enhanced/ S+R dialogs. It's a distinguishing feature
area I always look for and much appreciate.... Yet what I assume you mean
here is not more than the standardized S+R dialog as your minimum.

Taken as a given...

I don't know what this means? Other than "confirm close on exit." I vaguely
recall just one who does that, but it's an optional setting. I can't think
of what else you might be describing...

I'm using the previous no-reg group of editors that I listed (which I'm
leaving appended to the end of this post) Then assessing those against
your other criteria -- about file size, and font/color settings.

File size limit, I tested with a 9mb file. That kills from the list Fooke's
Mini-Notetab, and Quick Editor, and Protivia Lite, all of whom state their
limits. It also eliminates Hapedit, on whom I gave up waiting after 30 sec.

While opening that file, I tried to count time, very sloppy method, keep in
mind. But results anyway to grouped into relative speed.

Fast:
thegun, padded, shalom texttools, synnote, scite

Medium:
pitpad, win32pad, kankowski edit, ted text, prolix, notetab, tinn

Slower:
BDV notepad, mdipad, editpad, xpad

Btw, I noticed that a few were slowed when exiting when they'd had the 9mb;
while others, no delay. But I didn't bother to take records on this. Oh,
and an important note. I tested only the relative time for them to load the
file - once they'd already been launched. If you were to do a test where you
time [launch + open large file] as the same action, those results might be
more important, depending on your habits and needs... Finally, I didn't test
for +2gb handling. I didn't read in that you needed anything more than the
10mb stated.

For color selections, I forgot to explicitly look for font color, and only
looked for background color. But I should think that any time background
color settings are offered, then font color would be as well...

Those who offer selection of any font, as well background color settings:

win32pad: yes
pitpad: yes
kankowski yes
mdipad: yes
synnote: yes
codedit: yes
editpad*: yes
(*but speaking of customizations, can't move toolbar in Lite ver)

Those who offer selection of any font; but no background color settings:

bdv notepad: no background color
ted: no background color
xpad: no background color
prolix: fixed pitch fonts only
tinn: fixed pitch fonts only
shalom: fixed pitch only
notetab: fonts, no? (can't find, and the prefs dialog is from hell)
padded: nada
thegun: nada
scite: no fonts choice. bground colors not in the normal way at
least. for simplicity, mark as no (discount that it might be
poss. on a per-filetype syntax settings deal, after rtfm).

..
Well, gee, suddenly we're down to seven. At least one or two of those I
could probably knock off the list, as lacking appropriateness in some way,
if I thought it over. Editpad, you have a pre-existing relationship with
that, and keep talking about taking it to a counselor to resolve the issues,
but currently want separation... So, then there's be about four of these
left to consider over...

Probably at this juncture I ought wait until you post back before a next
round of analysis...


--
Karen S.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
editors analyzed
=============================================================================
NO REGISTRY: SETTINGS FILE INSTEAD
=============================================================================

[SDI]
pitpad (ini in windir)
win32pad (local ini)
thegun and quick editor (?)
BDV notepad (local binary file for settings)
kankowski edit (local binary)
ted text (local binary)

[MDI]
mdipad (local ini)
prolix (local ini)

[TABD]
editpad (local ini)
notetab and mini notetab (local ini)
padded (local ini)
shalom texttools (local ini)
xpad (local ini)

[SYNTAX]
synnote [sdi] (local ini)
protivia lite [sdi] (local ini)
codeEdit (local ini)
hapedit (local ini)
scite (local ini)
tinn (ini in windir)
=============================================================================
 
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omega

[edit]
Those who offer selection of any font; but no background color settings:

Sorry, erase that line. The group header should have read something more
like, "those who lack one or more of the font/color options"
bdv notepad: no background color
ted: no background color
xpad: no background color
prolix: fixed pitch fonts only
[...]
 
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ms

Steven said:
Mike,
I'll start working on it as soon as I've sent posted this and let you
know when it's done ;o)

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

And as Karen points out:
* MDI, that's where the editor can have multiple documents in a single
instance; either in tabs, else just accessible from the Window menu.

Regarding ini file usage, IMO its desirable, but if you need the
registry, I hope there is a setting in Options to clean the registry.

I assume you would open a new thread when you announce the text editor.

Mike Sa
 
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ms

Steven said:
Mike,
I'll start working on it as soon as I've sent posted this and let you
know when it's done ;o)

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)


This is just a general good behaviour comment:
The program should not steal file association from the existing default
text editor when the executable runs, and not install icons unless
requested.

Mike Sa
 
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Steven Burn

ms said:
And as Karen points out:
* MDI, that's where the editor can have multiple documents in a single
instance; either in tabs, else just accessible from the Window menu.

Regarding ini file usage, IMO its desirable, but if you need the
registry, I hope there is a setting in Options to clean the registry.

I assume you would open a new thread when you announce the text editor.

Mike Sa

I'm actually uploading the first release as I write this ;o). It's not got
MDI atm though.

--
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Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

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Steven Burn

Steven Burn wrote:
This is just a general good behaviour comment:
The program should not steal file association from the existing default
text editor when the executable runs, and not install icons unless
requested.

Mike Sa

Nope, it doesn't do that either (I hate programs that do that)

--
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Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

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ms

omega said:
[edit]
Those who offer selection of any font; but no background color settings:

Sorry, erase that line. The group header should have read something more
like, "those who lack one or more of the font/color options"
bdv notepad: no background color
ted: no background color
xpad: no background color
prolix: fixed pitch fonts only
[...]

Karen:

Thanks for that good data, I will review it.

Mike Sa
 
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ms

Steven said:
<snip>

Mike,
Thought I'd let you know, I've had the bulk of it done for quite a while
now. Just about to go to bed though as the past few hours have been spent
trying to work out the cause of a very annoying bug, so will continue
working on it when I get up :blush:)

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

Thanks, Steve.
Two necessary functions I forgot:

* undo, a bonus is more than 1 level
* line numbers, at top or bottom

Mike Sa
 
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Steven Burn

ms said:
Thanks, Steve.
Two necessary functions I forgot:

* undo, a bonus is more than 1 level
* line numbers, at top or bottom

Mike Sa

Mike,
The first release is now uploaded (I've put it in a new thread).

It's got Undo, but not multi-level, and does not have the line numbers or
MDI interface you requested, but I'll work on that
for a future version.

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)
 
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Carlos the Bull

2/20/2004 5:40:37 AM: omega <[email protected]>
There is a standard Find and Replace dialog, with Replace All. I've found
it /extremely rare/ to see less than that; thegun might be one of the
exceptions, plus maybe the occasional schoolchild's "mynotepad" project.
Then some editors have /enhanced/ S+R dialogs. It's a distinguishing feature
area I always look for and much appreciate.... Yet what I assume you mean
here is not more than the standardized S+R dialog as your minimum.

I seldom consider full-time use of a text editor if its find/replace
doesn't support find/replace (including back reference support in the
replace, of course)

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Susan Bugher

omega said:
Heya, Mike. I mentioned in a previous message that it's only a minority
of the text editors who do us the kindness of a local ini for settings,
that the majority do HKCU. Tonight I went through my local drive, and
grouped a list of those who do not use the registry and those who do.

There is another grouping in this list. It's how I have these installed.
By interface. SDI as one group. Then I have MDI divided into two groups.
TABD, for a TABBED interface. And then the older non-tabbed style, I
just shorthand label as MDI. Then the final category, SYNTAX, that's
most often known as "Programmer's Editors." I'd have to describe my
use of that category better on some later date, not now (tonight is one
of those times when I've been unable to coax more than a few neurons
to arise from slumber).

Oh, and everything in this list is text editors. No richtext editors. And
no alternative type things (for instance treeepads), who cannot properly
be called text editors.

So I'll paste my results below. The basic thing that I find noticable is
that the criterion of no registry write unfortunately narrows down the
candidacy list a lot. Assuming this remains a strong prerequsite of yours,
the no-reg, then hopefully this list might serve some use as quickref
for those who are not sure whether one of the editors here uses HKCU for
settings.

Hi Karen,

The Text Editor Review page is here:
http://www.woundedmoon.org/PL/TextEditorReview.php
(and here):
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/TextEditorReview.php

It's a work-in-progress - REMbranded plans to do more testing when time
allows. I've done some of the layout work on the page (trying to make
the data easy to read).

IMO it would be great to have additional info and comments. (There's a
list of editors below the table where comments could go.)

Please take a look at the page and offer suggestions, info etc. I know
REMbranded is pretty busy right now but if he blesses the idea I could
do additions to the page.

Susan
 

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