Powerpoint opening on it's own

[Jan Il]

All of a sudden I had an

An apothecary? Appendectomy? Epistemology? Am I close?

Hey, yeah...they work for me....I think...

yeah...ya know...like a

Modified version of something from my deer friend, Jim Hart.

Oh....ahmm.....did it ever work for him? I mean, maybe I didn't GLARE at it
right.

 

[Jan Il]

Steve......I have done some more troubleshooting and then did an uninstall
and reinstall of the Office 2000 and it seems to have stopped the over-eager
PPT 2000 jumping the gun on trying to open when the PC first starts up.

Now...a question...even though I have the 2002XP and 2000 PPT programs in a
separate folder, would they share any of the same files? When I opened a
certificate master a while ago that was originally produced a couple years
ago in 2000, it had no page borders, which it is supposed to have (the 'lil
Christmas trees). I went to the Borders and Shading to add the border back
and there are no borders in the list. Just the (none) at the top. Also,
there's no Clipart gallery. But, both of these are there in 2002. So, when
I open the certificate in 2002, the Christmas tree border is there...???
However, 2002 does not have the 'lil Candy Cane page border, which I also
wanted to use. If I recall, this was available in 2000. I have done a D&R in
2000, to see if it would reload the graphics and borders, but, still
nothing. I created a new certificate from this master in 2000 not long ago,
and it was fine, border and all. I have the Files Location set to the
proper folders. Am I missing a setting somewhere in 2000 to access the
Clipart and page borders?

Jan

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

as I pushed the power button. Everything went along just like it

should,

Oh....ahmm.....did it ever work for him? I mean, maybe I didn't GLARE at it
right.

Ah. Failure to communicate. Misaimed pronouns. Apothecaries in quotation
mark's clothing.

I thought "It didn't" meant "the PPT2000 error thingie didn't come up."

So it's still broke, huh?

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Glad that a reinstall sorted it. Good think.

Now...a question...even though I have the 2002XP and 2000 PPT programs in a
separate folder, would they share any of the same files?

Absolutely, though I don't know that a complete list is documented anywhere.
Graphics filters for sure. Echo's the ClipArtQueen. Let's see what she can
tell us about this 'un.

Or that John Langhans feller. Yo John.

When I opened a

 

[Jan Il]

Ah. Failure to communicate. Misaimed pronouns. Apothecaries in quotation
mark's clothing.

I thought "It didn't" meant "the PPT2000 error thingie didn't come up."

So it's still broke, huh?

You mean..you really understood any of that? Well.....sure glad one of us
did...??? But...yeah...it just sorta thumbed it's nose at me. It really
sorta looks like a bad thing when your computer gives ya the raspberries
when your trying to troubleshoot a problem. Especially after all the hints
and ...stuff....ya know?

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

So it's still broke, huh?

You mean..you really understood any of that?

The merest intuition. So if it's still on your case, try this:

Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, System Information

Click the plus sign to expand Software Environment, then click Startup
Programs

See if there's anything that looks like it needs chicken feathers and black
candles at twenty paces in the dark of the moon.

 

[Jan Il]

So it's still broke, huh?

The merest intuition. So if it's still on your case, try this:

Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, System Information

Click the plus sign to expand Software Environment, then click Startup
Programs

See if there's anything that looks like it needs chicken feathers and black
candles at twenty paces in the dark of the moon.

Well...I found nothing that looked like an encounter of the Chicken Dance
kind, but, although the PPT 2000 is not still popping the cork on startup, I
am getting a message box that says that it is checking configuration, and
then it asks you to insert Disk #1 when I first open it..like it is loading
it again?? I have done a D&R, again...but, still it asks for the #1 disk
each time I open the 2000. ????? It gives no error messages as to what might
be missing that it needs as to why the #1 disk is needed, so I have no clue.
I've tried everyting I can think of, but, it still won't open without the #1
Disk (CD) now.

 

[Echo S]

Now...a question...even though I have the 2002XP and 2000 PPT programs in a
separate folder, would they share any of the same files?

This is a good question, and I'm sure the answer is yes. I just don't
know what files they do share for sure. Well, I figure graphics
filters would be one type of shared file, but I don't know what else.

When I opened a
certificate master a while ago that was originally produced a couple years
ago in 2000, it had no page borders, which it is supposed to have (the 'lil
Christmas trees). I went to the Borders and Shading to add the border back
and there are no borders in the list. Just the (none) at the top.

Help! I'm confused!

Ok, so you made a certificate master in PPT 2000 and you forgot to add
borders to it. So you opened it in 2000 and went to the borders and
shading (Format/Borders and Shading) options, and there was no border.
Correct?

If that's the case, it's because page borders such as the Christmas
trees would be added via Clip Gallery as opposed to via Borders and
Shading. Borders and Shading are generally basic lines (on which you can
change colors and thickness), and you'd need to have an object selected
to apply the border/shading to. Borders/Shading won't work for an
overall slide (unless, of course, you added a big rectangle to the
bottom layer of the slide and added the border/shading to that). But it
won't work for Christmas trees and such.

Or, if you're saying you created the certificate complete with the tree
border in PPT 2000, but the border was gone when you opened the
certificate, that could be something as simple as a video driver issue
or hardware acceleration. Usually that's what's going on when there are
display problems like that.

Now, if I'm way off on what you were doing there, you'll have to
enlighten me!

Also,
there's no Clipart gallery.

Eh? In PPT 2000 there's no Clip Gallery? What happens when you go to
Insert/Picture/Clip Art? (You know, I wonder if this is the cause of the
installer popping up every time you start PPT 2000...)

But, both of these are there in 2002. So, when
I open the certificate in 2002, the Christmas tree border is there...???

Sorry, I'm confused again. Both of what are there in PPT 2002? I get
that the border is there when you open the file in PPT 2002, so that
makes me wonder if you are indeed having just a display problem with PPT
2000.

Oh, do you mean that the original border is there along with the new
border you just added? (See? I'm soooo confused, LOL!)

However, 2002 does not have the 'lil Candy Cane page border, which I also
wanted to use. If I recall, this was available in 2000. I have done a D&R in
2000, to see if it would reload the graphics and borders, but, still
nothing. I created a new certificate from this master in 2000 not long ago,
and it was fine, border and all. I have the Files Location set to the
proper folders. Am I missing a setting somewhere in 2000 to access the
Clipart and page borders?

Confused. We're back to 2000, right? And adding clips? Try the info at
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;EN-US;Q235848 to make sure the
clips are all available and then try
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;EN-US;Q262875 to reindex them in
the Clip Gallery for PPT 2000.

Now, just FYI, PPT 2002 has what is called a Clip Organizer. It's
different than the Clip Gallery, which has basically been discontinued.
When you go to Insert/Picture/Clip Art in PPT 2002, the Clip Organizer
task pane should open up. You can add your clips from the old Clip
Gallery into the new Clip Organizer, but you'd have to manually add in
all the keywords and stuff to make them searchable. (I know, I know,
don't shoot the messenger.)
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;EN-US;Q281858

You can also use the "online clips" stuff to get most of those old clips
from the web. http://dgl.microsoft.com/ will take you there directly.

 

[Echo S]

Glad that a reinstall sorted it. Good think.


Absolutely, though I don't know that a complete list is documented anywhere.
Graphics filters for sure. Echo's the ClipArtQueen.

Let's see what she can
tell us about this 'un.

Well, since PPT 2000 uses the Clip Gallery and PPT 2002 uses the Clip
Organizer, there's not as much overlap in the actual "working" files as
you might think. I don't think that Organizer reads the CAG and MMC
files from the Gallery, which is why the keywords from old clips don't
transfer. Although you can access the actual clips from both programs
(Gallery and Organizer), I don't think the actual "inner workings" are
the same.

Echo

 

[John O]

Hey, Keith Richards used to play guitars made by them!

Les Paul had one of them, didn't he?

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Echo!

This is a good question, and I'm sure the answer is yes. I just don't
know what files they do share for sure. Well, I figure graphics
filters would be one type of shared file, but I don't know what else.
'k...

Help! I'm confused!

Ok, so you made a certificate master in PPT 2000 and you forgot to add
borders to it. So you opened it in 2000 and went to the borders and
shading (Format/Borders and Shading) options, and there was no border.
Correct?

If that's the case, it's because page borders such as the Christmas
trees would be added via Clip Gallery as opposed to via Borders and
Shading. Borders and Shading are generally basic lines (on which you can
change colors and thickness), and you'd need to have an object selected
to apply the border/shading to. Borders/Shading won't work for an
overall slide (unless, of course, you added a big rectangle to the
bottom layer of the slide and added the border/shading to that). But it
won't work for Christmas trees and such.

Or, if you're saying you created the certificate complete with the tree
border in PPT 2000, but the border was gone when you opened the
certificate, that could be something as simple as a video driver issue
or hardware acceleration. Usually that's what's going on when there are
display problems like that.

Yes, I added the border when I first created the certificate a few years ago
when we first got 2000. And, I just did a new certificate using the same
master certificate 3 months ago in PPT 2000 and all the borders were in the
list. So was the Clipart. But, not now. There is nothing being displayed in
the list of borders where borders are normally listed.

Now, if I'm way off on what you were doing there, you'll have to
enlighten me!


Eh? In PPT 2000 there's no Clip Gallery? What happens when you go to
Insert/Picture/Clip Art? (You know, I wonder if this is the cause of the
installer popping up every time you start PPT 2000...)

No, when I click on the Clipart, there is nothing displayed at all. I can go
to the Pictures | From File and I have my own selection of clipart that I
normally use, but, if I go to the Clipart gallery, there is nothing there.

Sorry, I'm confused again. Both of what are there in PPT 2002? I get
that the border is there when you open the file in PPT 2002, so that
makes me wonder if you are indeed having just a display problem with PPT
2000.

Both the Clipart gallery and the page borders are listed and visible in
2002, but, not in 2000.

Oh, do you mean that the original border is there along with the new
border you just added? (See? I'm soooo confused, LOL!)

Yes, I understand....me too Echo...<g> I'm trying to sort this all out and
I'm not getting very far. When I open the certificate in 2000, the page
border does not appear, because, as I can only guess, there is nothing it
can find to support that page border or any other. When I first saw that
the page border was missing, I thought it just got chagned somehow and was
going to add it back in, but, there was nothing there to select from.

When I open the same certificate in 2002, the page border shows up, because,
again I am guessing, the page border is available in the 2002 files, and so
is the Clipart Gallery. So, both of them are available in 2002, but, not
2000. It's like, the files have been taken over by 2002, and 2000 no longer
has any, or there is a folder directory issue I can't find in 2000 to
redirect these to the right folders or files for 2000.

Confused. We're back to 2000, right? And adding clips? Try the info at
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;EN-US;Q235848 to make sure the
clips are all available and then try
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;EN-US;Q262875 to reindex them in
the Clip Gallery for PPT 2000.

Now, just FYI, PPT 2002 has what is called a Clip Organizer. It's
different than the Clip Gallery, which has basically been discontinued.
When you go to Insert/Picture/Clip Art in PPT 2002, the Clip Organizer
task pane should open up. You can add your clips from the old Clip
Gallery into the new Clip Organizer, but you'd have to manually add in
all the keywords and stuff to make them searchable. (I know, I know,
don't shoot the messenger.)
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;EN-US;Q281858

You can also use the "online clips" stuff to get most of those old clips
from the web. http://dgl.microsoft.com/ will take you there directly.

Oh...I would never shoot the messenger, I may want to send a message
back..<vbg> I did notice that the Clipart part did look different in 2002,
which is fine. I'll check out all the information you've listed here and see
if I can get this straightened out somehow. It's really hard to be this
confused, and my confused gets confused too. ??

Thanks for all your help Echo, I really do appreciate it.

Jan

 

[Echo S]

Yes, I added the border when I first created the certificate a few years
ago
when we first got 2000. And, I just did a new certificate using the same
master certificate 3 months ago in PPT 2000 and all the borders were in
the
list. So was the Clipart. But, not now. There is nothing being displayed
in
the list of borders where borders are normally listed.

This is the "borders and frames" part of the Clip Gallery, right? Or is it
the Format/Borders and Shading from PPT's menubar?

No, when I click on the Clipart, there is nothing displayed at all. I can
go
to the Pictures | From File and I have my own selection of clipart that I
normally use, but, if I go to the Clipart gallery, there is nothing there.

Ok, that actually makes sense in a way. See, the Clip Gallery (PPT 2000)
uses *.CAG files to categorize clips. If that file has become corrupt, the
Gallery would no longer be able to categorize clips, so you might see blank
folders as you described. The actual clip images would still be on your
harddrive, which is why you can see them via Insert/Pictures/From File, but
if Clip Gallery doesn't know what to do with those files, well...

Can you see any clips in the Clip Gallery? Is it just the borders "folder"
in Clip Gallery which is causing you problems, or are all the clips gone
from the Clip Gallery?

Both the Clipart gallery and the page borders are listed and visible in
2002, but, not in 2000.

Aha. That's because the clipart gallery in PPT 2002 is actually the Clip
Organizer. So what you're seeing here is that the Clip Organizer is working
(PPT 2002), but the Clip Gallery (PPT 2000) isn't.

Yes, I understand....me too Echo...<g> I'm trying to sort this all out
and
I'm not getting very far. When I open the certificate in 2000, the page
border does not appear, because, as I can only guess, there is nothing it
can find to support that page border or any other. When I first saw that
the page border was missing, I thought it just got chagned somehow and was
going to add it back in, but, there was nothing there to select from.

Now I see what you were getting at. The odd thing is that there's no reason
the page border should disappear in 2000, even though the Clip Gallery isn't
working right. An inserted clipart is like any inserted image -- it's
embedded in the file unless you specifically told it to be linked. And I
don't even know that you *can* specify a clip inserted via Clip Gallery to
be linked.

I think you've got a 2000 display problem, honestly. Tell you what, why not
try this as a test? Open PPT 2000, open that certificate file, and with
nothing selected, hit your Tab button (repeatedly) to go through all the
objects on the slide. (Or use that "select multiple" trick you learned at

When I open the same certificate in 2002, the page border shows up,
because,
again I am guessing, the page border is available in the 2002 files, and
so
is the Clipart Gallery. So, both of them are available in 2002, but, not
2000. It's like, the files have been taken over by 2002, and 2000 no
longer
has any, or there is a folder directory issue I can't find in 2000 to
redirect these to the right folders or files for 2000.

I understand why you've reached the conclusion you have, but I'm not
convinced that the availability of the Clip Organizer in 2002 explains the
disappearance of the border clip in 2000.

Oh...I would never shoot the messenger, I may want to send a message
back..<vbg> I did notice that the Clipart part did look different in 2002,
which is fine. I'll check out all the information you've listed here and
see
if I can get this straightened out somehow. It's really hard to be this
confused, and my confused gets confused too. ??

heheh. One other thing you might try, assuming that a "broken" Clip Gallery
(PPT 2000) really is the issue here. The Clip Gallery has its own help
files. Open Clip Gallery (by going to Insert/Picture/Clip Art) and click the
Help button. (Remember, Clip Gallery = PPT 2000.) Then go to the
Troubleshooting chapter. See the section on "artgal50.mmc is corrupt?" Also
go to the Index tab in the Help files and type in Compact. See if doing the
things listed under "compacting Clip Gallery database" helps.

If you can't get to the Clip Gallery help files for whatever reason, holler
back and I'll email you those parts.

Echo

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

it again?? I have done a D&R, again...but, still it asks for the #1 disk

each time I open the 2000. ????? It gives no error messages as to what might
be missing that it needs as to why the #1 disk is needed, so I have no clue.
I've tried everyting I can think of, but, it still won't open without the #1
Disk (CD) now.

Progress, of a sort.

So. ... have you fed it the CD to see if that quiets its unruly stomach?

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

This is a good question, and I'm sure the answer is yes. I just don't

know what files they do share for sure. Well, I figure graphics
filters would be one type of shared file, but I don't know what else.

Graphics filters for sure.
Most probably anything that gets installed into the \Windows, \System or
\System32 folders, and with two versions installed, a single uninstall
wouldn't remove any of it, as it'd likely be marked as in use by multiple
versions. Reinstalls wouldn't overwrite anything, as the newest almost
always wins. The installer won't overwrite newer DLLs with older DLLs. Or
Gherkins.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Absolutely, though I don't know that a complete list is documented
anywhere.

<harumph> Hardly.

OK, The Clip Art Gallery Goddess?
Better?

Well, since PPT 2000 uses the Clip Gallery and PPT 2002 uses the Clip
Organizer, there's not as much overlap in the actual "working" files as
you might think. I don't think that Organizer reads the CAG and MMC
files from the Gallery, which is why the keywords from old clips don't
transfer. Although you can access the actual clips from both programs
(Gallery and Organizer), I don't think the actual "inner workings" are
the same.

You're doing great, Your Majesty. I'm clueless about this stuff.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Les Paul had one of them, didn't he?

What, a Keith Richards? Or an Epiphany? Or was he too busy sawing The
Log?

 

[John O]

What, a Keith Richards? Or an Epiphany? Or was he too busy sawing The
Log?

One of them Epiphoniums... Maybe Keith had a Les Paul, too. I dunno for
sure. I think Keith is a Fender guy. Anyway.

Epiphone...a division of Gibson...who makes the Les Paul...which was created
by Les Paul, who is still playing gigs!

 

[Bob Ostwald]

Echo: Aha. That's because the clipart gallery in PPT 2002 is actually the
Clip Organizer. So what you're seeing here is that the Clip Organizer is
working (PPT 2002), but the Clip Gallery (PPT 2000) isn't. <<

Reading through this saga of candy canes and Christmas trees leads me ask if
there is any *really good* systematic training on PPT out there. Other than
PPT MVP websites, the FAQ and this ng of course. I'm thinking something
(other than a book) that would clear up the mysteries. Something Video
Professor-like. If there isn't anything, there oughta be. What say we gather
a bunch of PPT wizards together in a mountain cabin for a week and see what
fine work results? Just an idea.

No Kamikazes before dusk.

Bob

 

[Kathryn Jacobs]

I think there are people out there providing PPT comprehensive training. Ok,
I know there are: I do it. Unfortunately, most people won't pay for the real
training that is needed. They will pay for an intro course at times, but
rarely will they pay for more than that. PPT Live meets some of this need,
but not for nearly enough people.

I sell the Video Professor CDs off my site, as they are the best I have
found. That doesn't mean they are great, just that they are the best out
there.

If you decide to sponsor a project to create a better program, let me know.
I am very interested in getting involved. Meanwhile, it is back to making
the changes requested by my editor on the PPT book I am writing that will be
on the shelves in March.

--
Kathryn Jacobs, Microsoft PPT MVP
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[Steve Rindsberg]

Les Paul had one of them, didn't he?

One of them Epiphoniums... Maybe Keith had a Les Paul, too. I dunno for
sure. I think Keith is a Fender guy. Anyway.

Epiphone...a division of Gibson...who makes the Les Paul...which was created
by Les Paul, who is still playing gigs!

http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/Stories/LesPaul.html tells all.
Including The Log. And you thought I made this stuff up. <g>

I had a chance to play a Les Paul, one of the original gold-body jobs, back
in the late 60's. Sustain? The last note I played might still be sounding
.... amazing.