Please avoid Vista like the plague

[Richard Urban]

Of course Linux has become bloated. I remember when Linux came out they said
it would work on a 286 box with almost no RAM. What are the current system
specs?



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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
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Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Steve K.]

Of course Linux has become bloated. I remember when Linux came out
they said it would work on a 286 box with almost no RAM. What are the
current system specs?

Depends on what purposes. I have FC3 running on a p2 400 box I had
without ANY problems what so ever, though it's only really doing server
duties, I can go into Gnome or DKE with out any lag... in fact I'd say
it's faster then when I had RH 8 on it.

Thats more than anyone can say for Vista (XP, on the other hand, I have
on an old laptop with 300 mHz P2 & 256 MB ram, and at one time we had an
old P1 166 mHz with 128 MB ram running XP and while it wasn't the
quickest there, it ran rather well. Vista o nthe other hand, want 512 MB
min, though recommened 2 GB and a good multi core setup, JUST to make it
usable. I'm sorry.... but thats just WAY fatter then it needs to be.

The bigger difference with Linux and windows in general is, while Linux
has a very positive growth-to-speed ratio, Windows' always sees to be
going down with each new release, with Vista taing the cake, as it's
mroe bloated then ever, as well as slower, why many *nix distros get
FASTER in my expereince.

Linux grows the right way, not the sheer obesity that Vista displays.

Progress does NOT mean getting fatter. Growing in size and getting FAT
are two distinct things. Progress = efficiency, not getting bigger and
fatter because one simply feels the need.

I agree a slimmer OS (XP or 2003 are infinately slimmer than Vista will
ever be) OS on a dual or more core setup is a MUCH better choice for
anyone who wants real speed, not the feeling you're dragging an anchor
behind you.

 

[Saran]

All that "research" and no report? I guess it's all in your head then?

Sausy you're just being completely assinine. Grow up please. He right
about the problems with Vista, and asking to post every article hes read
is just a stupid request. How many time do you save each and every
article you read? I've saved some I planned to read on the road or what
not, but not every single one I come across, so stop acting so childish.

I my self have gone through several systems from customers and it's been
nothing but trouble. you never know when a program install is going to
cripple the whole thing... which happen no less then 9 times total
between the 6 systems we've serviced so far.

I'll say this for Vista, it's giving businesses like ours lots of
business...

 

[Wayne M. Poe]

Prudent for you, maybe not so for others. That is why people were
given a mind to think with. It enables them to make their OWN choice
after studying the options.

If people actually made the choice purely on their own and FULL
informed, little to no one would by Vista. It's the people who don't
know any better that buy into the hype and pony up the cash, only to be
stuck with a pretty boat anchor that can't run much of anything yet.

 

[Scott]

You don't need Vista.

No, but I wanted it and I like it.

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[Saran]

First insult. Being as you didn't quote to whom you were replying,
Nina's question is valid if you're smart enough to figure it out.


Wrong. I like Windows and use XP every single day. What I don't like
are the so-called anti piracy controls that do nothing to stop piracy
and only inconvenience the paying customer. I also advise to wait on
Vista because it's the *smart* thing to do.

It's somewhat equatable to gun laws... they make it hard fro the average
joe to get a gun, but does NOTHING against those who do things the
illegal way... they just continue to do things the illegal way and
remain unaffected... the exact same thing applies to piracy and DRM.
It's only makes things more annoying for people who do things legally in
the first place.

DRM in and of it self if the product of ignorance of how things work.

 

[LoneStar]

If people actually made the choice purely on their own and FULL
informed, little to no one would by Vista. It's the people who don't
know any better that buy into the hype and pony up the cash, only to be
stuck with a pretty boat anchor that can't run much of anything yet.

The facts are that many people ARE buying it and love it, and have no
problems with it. Those who upgraded, and had problems, probably had a
screwy system to begin with. Note that it's only the small minority of
people with Vista problems that write in complaining. Those are the types
that would gripe about a free lunch.

EW

 

[Clenna Lumina]

Not too smart neither .. hmm.

You obviously haven't been using news groups or UseNet for very long if
you don't know how to properly attribute quotations. You have no
business tell someone they are not smart if you cannot do such a VERY
basic task. No wonder you like Vista. It is precisely people like your
self that Microsoft makes the most money off of.

 

[Vronans]

SO how long sould we wait Mr. Alais?

I've had EVERY winows OS and none of them are bugs free even today and
all of them could and probably do still have drivers problems.
How long should we wait oh wise one?

What is it with people liek you being so dimwitted in this news group?
Vista is quite fragile. Explorer can crash when you least ssuepct it.
Just look at all the posts i nthe group of all the problems. It is far
more then a few issues that need to be resolved. Waiting until at least
the first service pack is much smarter than trying to deal with such a
broken OS right now, or just sticking it out with XP or even 2003, where
everything just works.

 

[Steve K.]

Why does you monitor need a driver?

Re speed, my experience is that it's at least as fast if not faster
than XP Pro SP2 on my machine.

No, not quite. Vista will never be faster then XP as logn as it's
carrying all the extra bulk. Every test and bench mark using the exact
same hardware and fresh installs XP beats the crap out of it hands down.

You alsos didn't say if your XP parittion was fresh or one you've had a
while which could be tainted. Since you're dual booting, I'm guessing
the latter is your case, in which case you probably have a fresh install
of Vista. If I'm correct your comparison, if you really did that, is not
really valid on the grounds the condition of each side is unknown.

Every Vista computer I've used to date (all dual core) is slower than my
own filth-free P4 based XP Pro SP2 system... a system which should be
considerably slower than a dual core box, but spanks every Vista machine
I've used. What is wrong with this picture???

 

[Saran]

He's "researched" it so thoroughly? He's never even installed it ..
And reading rant post (against Microsoft) at COLA does not count as
research.

Again you have no idea the extend of his reseach so stop assuming and
try acting like an adult.

No one here answers to you as if you're soem general demanding a report
from a private, so get over it and grow up.

 

[Saran]

I'm not giving advice and bp is at least my initials.

But when some troll comes a calling trying to save the world from the
big bad OS I would think he would want to sound legit by using a name.
Using "Alias" makes me think he isn't to proud of his on advice.

Heres a question, how do you know "Alias" isn;t a real name? I know
someone in high school by that name. The fact of the matter is you don't
really know and you're just making assumptions based on what might be
called common knowledge.

 

[Stephan Rose]

No, not quite. Vista will never be faster then XP as logn as it's
carrying all the extra bulk. Every test and bench mark using the exact
same hardware and fresh installs XP beats the crap out of it hands down.

You alsos didn't say if your XP parittion was fresh or one you've had a
while which could be tainted. Since you're dual booting, I'm guessing
the latter is your case, in which case you probably have a fresh install
of Vista. If I'm correct your comparison, if you really did that, is not
really valid on the grounds the condition of each side is unknown.

Every Vista computer I've used to date (all dual core) is slower than my
own filth-free P4 based XP Pro SP2 system... a system which should be
considerably slower than a dual core box, but spanks every Vista machine
I've used. What is wrong with this picture???

Nothing.

Just look at the extreme hardware requirements of Vista.

XP will run on a over 6 year old Desktop machine I have.
Vista won't.

Vista has these huge hardware requirements for a reason. It's a resource
hog. It has higher hardware requirements than XP so there is no way it can
possibly ever run faster than XP.

If it were faster, it would have lower hardware requirements because it
wouldn't need as much processing power and memory to run.

The spec requirements alone tell everything.

And even XP is a dog compared to Kubuntu. I wouldn't even want to dare
compare Vista against it. The more I use both operating systems
simultaneously and the more I get used to Kubuntu and just...use it without
having to think about it...the more I feel the difference.

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[Saran]

I have read more than one article, chum. It's called doing informed
research before reaching in one's pocket and pulling out the cash.


All the more reason to get informed before making a buying decision.

Actually before we started getting customers running Vista I went to
various stores that sell computers and spent sometime fideling with
Vista, which can give a feeling of whats real in there. Before that I
did a lot of research. Now all my experience comes from the half a dozen
customer's system I've worked on in combination ot everything I've read
about it.

I'd say the bulk of my Vista knowledge coems from al lthe reading I've
done about it, so people that say reading gives you nothing are as
ignorant and clueless as the people who think it's the next "best"
thing. There is far more to being the best thant a nice GUI.

 

[Clenna Lumina]

Hey, he's your president, not mine.

Saucy Lemon

Figures you're a Democrat... why does that make so much sense?

 

[Adam Albright]

Sausy you're just being completely assinine. Grow up please. He right
about the problems with Vista, and asking to post every article hes read
is just a stupid request. How many time do you save each and every
article you read? I've saved some I planned to read on the road or what
not, but not every single one I come across, so stop acting so childish.

I my self have gone through several systems from customers and it's been
nothing but trouble. you never know when a program install is going to
cripple the whole thing... which happen no less then 9 times total
between the 6 systems we've serviced so far.

I'll say this for Vista, it's giving businesses like ours lots of
business...

Well, its good for something then. <wink>

 

[Stephan Rose]

No, but I wanted it and I like it.

Don't worry, that is curable. They make medication for that, you will be
just fine.

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[Steve K.]

That was my feeble attempt at a joke. You parroting what Bush says
about "cut and run" was amusing, though.

Um, it's the Democrats (ie: the real Socialist party in the States) that
are always talking about "cut and run"...

 

[Steve K.]

I got one virus once, when I ignored a warning to patch while running
a web server. If I had honoured the notice, I'd have not gotten the
virus.

Let me guess, you ran IIS?

Been running Apache on my Linux box for 6 years now, never got ANY
virus, and it's always been open to the public on port 80. In fact I
sometimes see code red and other feable attempts to break it, all of
which only applied to IIS servers on Windows. Never had to patch Apache
either (although there are security patches from time to time released,
though this is only a dev box that is regularly backed up.) Never once
got broken into or rooted.

 

[Clenna Lumina]

I simply do not use FF. It feels too lightweight.

No wonder people like you advocate bloated ware. You're to obviously too
well train by your overloards in Redmond to know what efficiency and
steamlining is all about. Progress is not about heavy and bloated
software.