Pinging Sharon

[Pete]

Sharon,

Can you please see if you can help me with an OE problem I'm having that no
one in this group seems to care about (I got no responses after sending it
three times). You have been helpful and friendly in the past and I was
hoping that maybe you could check with your associates, or whatever, and see
if you can come up with something.

When I'm in my mail boxes, and I click the "next" and "previous" icons, it
skips over one or two messages sometimes when moving in either direction,
and it is always skips the same message(s) - smart little bugger .

I haven't a clue why. I wonder if it has something to do with the header
properties, or windows compressing my mail boxes every so often. I have
oodles of ng messages in both my "old inbox" and my "sent items" box. Got
any ideas? Thanks...Pete

 

[Tom [Pepper] Willett]

Perhaps you would have responses if you posted it in the proper newsgroup?
Such as Outlook Express?

Tom

 

[Pete]

Excuse me Tom...but IE/OE are part of windows xp and this is a windows xp
newsgroup isn't it. Plus I have seen many posts on IE/OE in the past in
this group. So why are you telling me this...Pete

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Excuse me Tom...but IE/OE are part of windows xp and this is a
windows xp newsgroup isn't it. Plus I have seen many posts on IE/OE
in the past in this group. So why are you telling me this...Pete

What you say is true, and Outlook Express questions are therefore not
inappropriate here. Nevertheless, most folks here are not necessarily
Outlook Express experts and your chances of getting the help you need would
be greater if you would post in a more specialized OE newsgroup, where the
OE experts hang out.

 

[Pete]

What you say is true, and Outlook Express questions are therefore not
inappropriate here. Nevertheless, most folks here are not necessarily
Outlook Express experts and your chances of getting the help you need
would be greater if you would post in a more specialized OE
newsgroup, where the OE experts hang out.

Okay Ken...That being said I figured out the problem (and there is no way
to fix it).
I have a list of messages that are mostly ng's but a few e-mails sprinkled
in between. What OE does is, when you view a message in your inbox and then
click the "next" icon in the viewing window, it goes to the next message
that is of the *same type* (ie ng versus e-mail). It will not necessarily
go to the next message in the list, only if it is going from a ng post to a
ng post, or an e-mail to an e-mail. That's the story. Take care...Pete

 

[gls858]

What you say is true, and Outlook Express questions are therefore not
inappropriate here. Nevertheless, most folks here are not necessarily
Outlook Express experts and your chances of getting the help you need
would be greater if you would post in a more specialized OE
newsgroup, where the OE experts hang out.

Okay Ken...That being said I figured out the problem (and there is no way
to fix it).
I have a list of messages that are mostly ng's but a few e-mails sprinkled
in between. What OE does is, when you view a message in your inbox and then
click the "next" icon in the viewing window, it goes to the next message
that is of the *same type* (ie ng versus e-mail). It will not necessarily
go to the next message in the list, only if it is going from a ng post to a
ng post, or an e-mail to an e-mail. That's the story. Take care...Pete

Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
Perhaps you would have responses if you posted it in the proper
newsgroup? Such as Outlook Express?

Tom
Sharon,

Can you please see if you can help me with an OE problem I'm having
that no one in this group seems to care about (I got no responses
after sending it three times). You have been helpful and friendly
in the past and I was hoping that maybe you could check with your
associates, or whatever, and see if you can come up with something.

When I'm in my mail boxes, and I click the "next" and "previous"
icons, it skips over one or two messages sometimes when moving in
either direction, and it is always skips the same message(s) -
smart little bugger . I haven't a clue why. I wonder if it has
something to do with the
header properties, or windows compressing my mail boxes every so
often. I have oodles of ng messages in both my "old inbox" and my
"sent items" box. Got any ideas? Thanks...Pete

Pete,
Are these newsgroup messages coming as email. The reason I ask is that
the way I have Outlook set up the newsgroup messages are separate from
my email account. Maybe one possible solution is to go to tools > accounts

news > add and put in the news server so that all of the newsgroup

messages go to their own folder.

gls858

 

[Gordon]

Pete,
Are these newsgroup messages coming as email. The reason I ask is that
the way I have Outlook set up the newsgroup messages are separate from
my email account.

I didn't think it was possible to set up OE any other way........

 

[gls858]

I didn't think it was possible to set up OE any other way........

Me neither. I do know some newsgroups allow you to receive messages
as e-mail. Why anyone would want to do that is beyond me but I know they're
out there.

gls858

 

[Sharon F]

Okay Ken...That being said I figured out the problem (and there is no way
to fix it).
I have a list of messages that are mostly ng's but a few e-mails sprinkled
in between. What OE does is, when you view a message in your inbox and then
click the "next" icon in the viewing window, it goes to the next message
that is of the *same type* (ie ng versus e-mail). It will not necessarily
go to the next message in the list, only if it is going from a ng post to a
ng post, or an e-mail to an e-mail. That's the story. Take care...Pete

Hi, Pete. Wasn't around yesterday so am just seeing your message today. I'm
glad that you found an answer yesterday. Some thoughts....

Normally OE stores email in the Inbox and newsgroup messages in the
newsgroup folders/hierarchy. The only way that I can think of that news and
mail messages would be mixed in the same location would be when they are
moved to a common folder.

Suggestion: Store saved mail and saved news in separate folders. It's been
a few years now since I've used OE but when I did, I always stored saved
news separate from email. Can't remember ever having a problem with "next"
when these message types were stored in separate folders.

 

[Gordon]

Normally OE stores email in the Inbox and newsgroup messages in the
newsgroup folders/hierarchy. The only way that I can think of that
news and mail messages would be mixed in the same location would be
when they are moved to a common folder.

Sent Items contains a mix of Email and News posts.......

 

[Pete]

Okay Ken...That being said I figured out the problem (and there is
no way to fix it).
I have a list of messages that are mostly ng's but a few e-mails
sprinkled in between. What OE does is, when you view a message in
your inbox and then click the "next" icon in the viewing window, it
goes to the next message that is of the *same type* (ie ng versus
e-mail). It will not necessarily go to the next message in the list,
only if it is going from a ng post to a ng post, or an e-mail to an
e-mail. That's the story. Take care...Pete

Sorry for confusing you everyone (damn it). I didn't mean inbox (I meant my
"old inbox" which I mentioned in my OP, and it probably went over your
head - my fault). I understand how the standard inbox and sent items boxes
work completely, and I know where the ng posts go (i.e. in the ng's in the
news servers you have listed in your folders list).

I copy a lot ng posts that I want to save into a general folder called "old
inbox",and there are also a few e-mails in there (which is what is creating
the problem I wrote about in my OP). And all sent messages, either ng or
e-mail, go to my sent items folder, which is the way OE works.

For what its worth, I just figured out how to easily edit the lists (when I
do my cleanups). I just open up the preview pane in (layout) for my mail
boxes and do a side by side and click away. I normally keep the preview
pane unchecked for my mail boxes, and do the double click to open messages
in them, which gives you the viewing window (with the "next" and "previous"
icons I was talking about).

Sorry again for the confusion. I see what's going on now and I know what I
have to do. Thanks for your comments...Pete

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Okay Ken...That being said I figured out the problem (and there is
no way to fix it).
I have a list of messages that are mostly ng's but a few e-mails
sprinkled in between.

You have mail messages and news messages arrivig in the same folder? I use
Outlook Express only for news, not E-mail, so I don't claim to be an expert
on this, but as far as I know that's not possible.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

What OE does is, when you view a message in
your inbox and then click the "next" icon in the viewing window, it
goes to the next message that is of the *same type* (ie ng versus
e-mail). It will not necessarily go to the next message in the list,
only if it is going from a ng post to a ng post, or an e-mail to an
e-mail. That's the story. Take care...Pete

Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
Perhaps you would have responses if you posted it in the proper
newsgroup? Such as Outlook Express?

Tom
Sharon,

Can you please see if you can help me with an OE problem I'm
having that no one in this group seems to care about (I got no
responses after sending it three times). You have been helpful
and friendly in the past and I was hoping that maybe you could
check with your associates, or whatever, and see if you can come
up with something. When I'm in my mail boxes, and I click the "next"
and "previous"
icons, it skips over one or two messages sometimes when moving in
either direction, and it is always skips the same message(s) -
smart little bugger . I haven't a clue why. I wonder if it
has something to do with the
header properties, or windows compressing my mail boxes every so
often. I have oodles of ng messages in both my "old inbox" and my
"sent items" box. Got any ideas? Thanks...Pete

 

[Pete]

You have mail messages and news messages arrivig in the same folder?
I use Outlook Express only for news, not E-mail, so I don't claim to
be an expert on this, but as far as I know that's not possible.

Ken...sorry for the confusion. I have explained the whole thing in my
message (1/31/06- 2:38 pm) I sent before this. I guess you didn't read it.
Take care...Pete

 

[Sharon F]

Sent Items contains a mix of Email and News posts.......

Thanks, Gordon.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Ken...sorry for the confusion. I have explained the whole thing in my
message (1/31/06- 2:38 pm) I sent before this. I guess you didn't
read it.

Yes, I saw it, but not until after I had replied.

 

[Pete]

Hi, Pete. Wasn't around yesterday so am just seeing your message
today. I'm glad that you found an answer yesterday. Some thoughts....

Normally OE stores email in the Inbox and newsgroup messages in the
newsgroup folders/hierarchy. The only way that I can think of that
news and mail messages would be mixed in the same location would be
when they are moved to a common folder.

Suggestion: Store saved mail and saved news in separate folders. It's
been a few years now since I've used OE but when I did, I always
stored saved news separate from email. Can't remember ever having a
problem with "next" when these message types were stored in separate
folders.

Sharon...you are right, and I have explained it all in another post herein
(and you have to take into account that all sent items go in the sent items
box - both ng posts and e-mails). I am thinking about redoing my folders
but then I would have two more in boxes, so to speak, and two more sent
boxes, so to speak, which is four more .dbx's to keep track of in addition
to the main inbox and sent items box . Right now I have my "inbox", my
"old inbox" and my "sent items", but I think I will separate the saved mail
from the saved ng posts. I save a lot of ng posts for future reference,
including some of yours (of course), and I have a hordes of medical data
from various sci.med ng's. It makes it hard to find the e-mails versus the
newsgroups (I sort everything by date), which may be useful.

It was good hearing from you again. I will be sending another post on OE
right after this that you may find interesting. Talk to you later...Pete

 

[Sharon F]

Sharon...you are right, and I have explained it all in another post herein
(and you have to take into account that all sent items go in the sent items
box - both ng posts and e-mails). I am thinking about redoing my folders
but then I would have two more in boxes, so to speak, and two more sent
boxes, so to speak, which is four more .dbx's to keep track of in addition
to the main inbox and sent items box . Right now I have my "inbox", my
"old inbox" and my "sent items", but I think I will separate the saved mail
from the saved ng posts. I save a lot of ng posts for future reference,
including some of yours (of course), and I have a hordes of medical data
from various sci.med ng's. It makes it hard to find the e-mails versus the
newsgroups (I sort everything by date), which may be useful.

It was good hearing from you again. I will be sending another post on OE
right after this that you may find interesting. Talk to you later...Pete

Hi again, Pete. Everyone uses a program and organizes their data
differently. I use "Sent" as temporary storage. I go through it every so
often, grab what I want copies of and delete the rest.

Anything that's going to be saved for prosperity, gets but into folders.
Example of my Saved News folder: Under it are subfolders: WinXP, Vista,
Painter (my favorite paint program) and others. The subfolders in my mail
folder look something like this: Bills, Family, Friends, Misc, Software
Regs.

If you've only had your PC for a few months, no big deal but after a few
years -- well, the number of messages can become very high. The OE message
store tends to get "bloated" after a while. This can effect its
performance: slow to open, an increase in error occurrences, etc.

By keeping items that I want to preserve in two main folders, Saved Mail
and Saved News, I can backup those folders. After some time, about every 6
months or so, I do one *big* backup and empty out those folders to start
the process over. Compact the database (do this more often than once every
6 months) and OE is lean, mean and ready to go.

Any saved message folder can be dropped back into OE for reading. When
you've found what you wanted, delete the folder again (you still have the
backup copy so can do this).

OR you can drag/drop individual messages out of OE into regular folders on
your hard drive. Then back up those hard drive folders. Later just double
click any single message to open it. The OE message window will appear
displaying the contents of the message.

Suggestion: Experiment a bit. Use some "dummy" messages/mail that isn't
real important just in case you make a goof during the experiments. Once
you try a few things, you'll start getting some ideas about how to
organize, backup, and manage your messages.

As I mentioned, I hardly use OE except for email on my tablet PC. The only
time it gets opened on my desktop PC is as a reference for an OE question
that might come up in the newsgroups. But I have adapted those same
practices and applied them to my current email and news programs.

 

[Pete]

Hi again, Pete. Everyone uses a program and organizes their data
differently. I use "Sent" as temporary storage. I go through it every
so often, grab what I want copies of and delete the rest.

Anything that's going to be saved for prosperity, gets but into
folders. Example of my Saved News folder: Under it are subfolders:
WinXP, Vista, Painter (my favorite paint program) and others. The
subfolders in my mail folder look something like this: Bills, Family,
Friends, Misc, Software Regs.

If you've only had your PC for a few months, no big deal but after a
few years -- well, the number of messages can become very high. The
OE message store tends to get "bloated" after a while. This can
effect its performance: slow to open, an increase in error
occurrences, etc.

By keeping items that I want to preserve in two main folders, Saved
Mail and Saved News, I can backup those folders. After some time,
about every 6 months or so, I do one *big* backup and empty out those
folders to start the process over. Compact the database (do this more
often than once every 6 months) and OE is lean, mean and ready to go.

Any saved message folder can be dropped back into OE for reading. When
you've found what you wanted, delete the folder again (you still have
the backup copy so can do this).

OR you can drag/drop individual messages out of OE into regular
folders on your hard drive. Then back up those hard drive folders.
Later just double click any single message to open it. The OE message
window will appear displaying the contents of the message.

Suggestion: Experiment a bit. Use some "dummy" messages/mail that
isn't real important just in case you make a goof during the
experiments. Once you try a few things, you'll start getting some
ideas about how to organize, backup, and manage your messages.

As I mentioned, I hardly use OE except for email on my tablet PC.
The only time it gets opened on my desktop PC is as a reference for
an OE question that might come up in the newsgroups. But I have
adapted those same practices and applied them to my current email and
news programs.

Thanks Sharon...everything you said is well received. I have an inordinate
amount of web sites in my bookmarks (firefox) with well over a thousand
entries (mostly medical research) in many folders, nicely categorized. So
I'm not quite ready to turn my ng posts into a similar filing system (lol).
But your suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Also it is worth noting that bookmark folders (favorites for IE) are not
"hiearchied" [new word I just made up ], like they are in the OE folder
system (ie the directory/tree format). So in that vein, Let me ask you
this. Does every folder (including sub folders of course, and subs to subs,
etc) you create in your local folders create its own .dbx file (I believe
so). And your "parent" folders you mention above ("saved mail" and "saved
news") will contain all the subfolders you mention.

So therefore I don't see how you can back up your parent folders (like you
mention) for the following reasons. I just checked my .dbx's. I have my
"old inbox" as a subfolder to my "inbox" (which is the parent folder). My
"old inbox" has approx 4.5 Mb in it. My "inbox" which is always empty
except for new e-mails, has 187 Kb in it which means it's empty (ie it has
no messages, but it does have a folder beneath it with a lot of bytes). But
yet if I save (or back up) the "inbox" it is only going to save the empty
folder with 187 Kb in it *not* the subfolder with all the messages in it.

In other words this is not the same as saving a normal folder in windows
explorer (which will also save all the sub folders beneath it). Do you see
what I am getting at, or am I missing something here. I just experimented
and that is the way I see it. That is why I thought you had to back up all
your .dbx folders *individually* (not just the parent folders). Please get
back to me on this (as well as anyone else who wants to join in).

BTW, there is also a "folders.dbx" which looks like it saves the whole thing
(ie all folders), since it has approx 8.2 Mb in it. So I guess if you
backed that up you would have everything (not sure). Thanks...Pete

 

[Sharon F]

BTW, there is also a "folders.dbx" which looks like it saves the whole thing
(ie all folders), since it has approx 8.2 Mb in it. So I guess if you
backed that up you would have everything (not sure). Thanks...Pete

This file's chief responsibility is to serve as an index to the rest of the
folders. Yes, it should be included in an OE backup. Check out the topic of
backing up here: http://www.insideoe.com

 

[Pete]

This file's chief responsibility is to serve as an index to the rest
of the folders. Yes, it should be included in an OE backup. Check out
the topic of backing up here: http://www.insideoe.com

Thanks Sharon...I put the back up site for the downloads in my bookmarks. I
hate to be a pest, but I spent a long time writing and explaining the logic
on my last post to you. Was I correct in what I said. Basically (to
summarize it), that I thought you had to back up the .dbx folders
individually and not just the parent folders (like you said you did),
because the parent folders do not contain their subfolders (only the
messages directly within them). I thought I explained it pretty clearly and
was hoping to get some feedback. The site you gave me does not address
everything I wrote about....Pete