OT (somewhat) PhotoShop created images.

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Steve Easton

I have opened it in IrfanView and saved it as a progressive jpg at 100% quality.
Almost doubled the file size.
Want me to email it to you.??



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Thomas A. Rowe

Yes.

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Thomas A. Rowe

Thanks!

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Steve Easton

Should be in your private mailbox

You're welcome.



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Thomas A. Rowe

Got it! Thanks.

Actually anything with attachments goes to my delete folder, so if I am not expecting something from
a specific person within a specific time period, it will get delete.

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Steve Easton

Thomas,
The top image: 600102-orig.jpg never makes it to the browser cache files??
The only things that do are the html page and the other two images.



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Steve Easton

Retract that, yes it does, but it's malformed.

Want a screen shot of what it looks like in IrfanView??


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Steve Easton

Thomas, it's a compression setting.
The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
What ever CMYK is??



The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF

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Tom Pepper Willett

Short for Cyan-Magenta-Yellow-Black, and pronounced as separate letters.
CMYK is a color model in which all colors are described as a mixture of
these four process colors. CMYK is the standard color model used in offset
printing for full-color documents. Because such printing uses inks of these
four basic colors, it is often called four-color printing.
In contrast, display devices generally use a different color model called
RGB, which stands for Red-Green-Blue. One of the most difficult aspects of
desktop publishing in color is color matching -- properly converting the RGB
colors into CMYK colors so that what gets printed looks the same as what
appears on the monitor.
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| Thomas, it's a compression setting.
| The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
| What ever CMYK is??
|
|
|
| The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF
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| > Hey folks,
| >
| > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply here, I
have created a page with
| > examples and notes.
| >
| > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
| >
| > --
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| >
| >
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

bummer. I had created two files of that image in photoshop, one standard and one progressive ...wanted to see if that was destroying the image. My money is on the progressive saved jpg is getting messed up somehow.


| Rob,
|
| Sorry no, and no refunds, but you also have to be a member of the organization ($100.00 to $250
| membership fee) to post an ad.
|
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| | Thomas,
|
| I'm coming in late on this one. Can I actually test something on the offending page? (without
| paying? :)
|
| Rob
|
|
| | Wally and everyone else, I can fix the photo so that it display on the web correctly, seen by the
| | last example on the page, however that is not the solutions to this issue.
| |
| | The issue is that I have a client's site where users can post Ads to sell their creations. With
| | their Ads they can upload a photo after they have paid the fee. This is a completely automated
| | process. I do not want to have to got in and correct photos that don't display. The bottom-line is
| | that user has paid their money, and their photo doesn't appear, it is not a server issue,
| connection
| | issue or anyway related to how the image is being uploaded, it is how the image was originally
| saved
| | from PhotoShop.
| |
| | I do not own PhotoShop or any of it's offsprings.
| |
| | However, I do need to write instructions that tell these users what settings NOT to use when
| saving
| | their photos before uploading them. It is my understanding that most of these users are not web
| | smart, but do use PhotoShop either on the PC or MAC.
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| |
| | > I downloaded the phot from your site, loaded it into Photoshop elements, and
| | > saved it with >save for web. I checked "optimize" and set the quality at 80.
| | > This is a normal way to save in Photoshop elements. Then I uploaded the
| | > picture to the web at http://www.dipika.org/~exp/thomas.htm
| | >
| | > It comes out okay. The problem is not with Photoshop. Try saving it as I
| | > did. that should work.
| | >
| | > Wally S
| | >
| | > | | > > There is nothing wrong with the way the image was uploaded. If there was a
| | > problem with the image
| | > > being uploaded, after I downloaded it I would not have been able to see it
| | > in Windows Picture and
| | > > Fax Viewer application.
| | > >
| | > > The first image is the original, as uploaded by the user, the second image
| | > is the first image as
| | > > viewed in NS4.08, the third image is the first image as viewed in Windows
| | > Fax and Picture Viewer.
| | > >
| | > > --
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| | > >
| | > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
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| | > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
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| | > >
| | > | | > > > The file may be there but incompletely uploaded. This can happen if
| | > there is
| | > > > a line break during the uploading, but it will appear as if the file
| | > were
| | > > > there. Have you tried going on the site with FP and directly looking at
| | > the
| | > > > photo? I understand your project, but I strongly doubt that this is a
| | > > > Photoshop problem. I have Photoshop Elements, and I have never had a
| | > problem
| | > > > either with progressives or any other, especially not with IE6.
| | > > >
| | > > > The negative-effect does not look like an intermediate progressive scan.
| | > > > Those look like they are made of little colored squares. And if the
| | > image
| | > > > type and size are not available, that means there is something wrong
| | > with
| | > > > the file. I use a lot of photos, and every time I have had a problem
| | > like
| | > > > this it has been because of a damaged file on the site.
| | > > >
| | > > > What you could do is tell your clients to use the "save for web" feature
| | > and
| | > > > save the photo as jpg and check "optimized." If that does not work, the
| | > > > problem is with your server or due to line breaks during uploading.
| | > > >
| | > > > If you want to tell me how to upload, I can try saving some photos in
| | > > > Photoshop Elements and try uploading them to your site.
| | > > >
| | > > > Wally S
| | > > >
| | > > > | | > > > > Wally,
| | > > > >
| | > > > > The file is really there.
| | > > > >
| | > > > > Not Available under Image Properties applies only to: Image Type and
| | > size.
| | > > > >
| | > > > > --
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| | > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| | > > > >
| | > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| | > > > > ==============================================
| | > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| | > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | > > > >
| | > > > | | > > > > > Hi Thomas,
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > > I would guess that your photo is damaged on the site, possibly
| | > because
| | > > > of a
| | > > > > > line break during the upload. This has happened to me. Have you
| | > tried
| | > > > > > uploading it again? If that does not work, try making a copy of the
| | > > > photo
| | > > > > > with a different name and uploading that. Don't ask me why, but
| | > > > sometimes
| | > > > > > that works.
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > > The negative with lines looks like a damaged file. And if you
| | > > > right-click on
| | > > > > > the red X and select >properties, it says "file not available." That
| | > > > sounds
| | > > > > > like a damaged file.
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > > Wally S
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > > | | > > > > > > Hey folks,
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply
| | > here, I
| | > > > have
| | > > > > > created a page with
| | > > > > > > examples and notes.
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > --
| | > > > > > > ==============================================
| | > > > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| | > > > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| | > > > > > > ==============================================
| | > > > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support
| | > see:
| | > > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > >
| | > > > >
| | > > > >
| | > > >
| | > > >
| | > >
| | > >
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
|
|
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Then the issue appears to be the saving of the image with a CMYK color format and that the newer
browser can not handle this color format, whereas the older browsers at least make an attempt to
display it.

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Thomas A. Rowe

Tom,

Thanks for providing a detail description of the CMYK color format.

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Wally S

I have never seen any option for CMYK in Photoshop Elements when you use
"save for web," unless the complete Photoshop has it. If Photoshop and
Photoshop Elements have the same "save" options, you could tell your clients
to use "save for web" and check "optimized." That way, they will get
something completely usable. It would not be any big trick. It's the normal
way to save, and you should not have to intervene at all.

Wally S
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

You're welcome. I have to use CMYK a lot for the print work we do.
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| Tom,
|
| Thanks for providing a detail description of the CMYK color format.
|
| --
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|
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|
| | > Short for Cyan-Magenta-Yellow-Black, and pronounced as separate letters.
| > CMYK is a color model in which all colors are described as a mixture of
| > these four process colors. CMYK is the standard color model used in
offset
| > printing for full-color documents. Because such printing uses inks of
these
| > four basic colors, it is often called four-color printing.
| > In contrast, display devices generally use a different color model
called
| > RGB, which stands for Red-Green-Blue. One of the most difficult aspects
of
| > desktop publishing in color is color matching -- properly converting the
RGB
| > colors into CMYK colors so that what gets printed looks the same as what
| > appears on the monitor.
| > --
| > =====================================================
| > Tom Pepper Willett [Microsoft MVP - FrontPage]
|
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| > -------------------
| > Microsoft FrontPage:
| > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > =====================================================
| >
| > | > | Thomas, it's a compression setting.
| > | The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
| > | What ever CMYK is??
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF
| > |
| > | --
| > | Steve Easton
| > | Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | 95isalive
| > | This site is best viewed............
| > | .......................with a computer
| > |
| > | > | > Hey folks,
| > | >
| > | > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply here,
I
| > have created a page with
| > | > examples and notes.
| > | >
| > | > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ==============================================
| > | > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > | > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > | >
| > | > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > | > ==============================================
| > | > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > | > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Most of the members of this organization are manufacturer, distributors, and retailers that normally
create images for printing of brochures and catalogs and would be using the full PhotoShop version,
which would explain the CMYK color format.

So I would say that this user assumes that the JPEG images they had already created for printing,
could also be used in their ad on the web as well.

So now that I know what is the cause of the problem, I can write instructions to help avoid this
issue in the future.

Thanks Eleanor, Wally, Rob, Steve and Tom P, and anyone else I haven't named for taking the time to
help me determine the cause of this problem.

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Steve Easton

Glad to help, learned something new.

Chalk up another one for good old IrfanView. It has a great Image Information feature.
Something else that caught my eye was that there were no DPI settings for the image. Not a problem
for a browser, but it would be needed for printing with or without the CMYK color format.


;-)


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Thomas A. Rowe

In order for users to upload their image, the image file size must be 80 kb or less.

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=

Btw,

The PS setting is in Edit/Color Settings: Web Graphics Default at the top then you set the Working Spaces below that...sRGBxxxxx for RGB, then the one for CMYK and Gray (Gamma) below that.

Ya usually don't wanna mess with them though.

I tell ya though I have inadvertantly created CMYK for web graphics by forgetting to change my environment from print to web, and never had a "major" problem - after doing a few you realize something's not right :) Usually you know when you look at the color palette...oops wrong one!

Rob




| In order for users to upload their image, the image file size must be 80 kb or less.
|
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| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
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| FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
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| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| > Glad to help, learned something new.
| >
| > Chalk up another one for good old IrfanView. It has a great Image Information feature.
| > Something else that caught my eye was that there were no DPI settings for the image. Not a
| problem
| > for a browser, but it would be needed for printing with or without the CMYK color format.
| >
| >
| > ;-)
| >
| >
| > --
| > Steve Easton
| > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > 95isalive
| > This site is best viewed............
| > .......................with a computer
| >
| > > Most of the members of this organization are manufacturer, distributors, and retailers that
| > normally
| > > create images for printing of brochures and catalogs and would be using the full PhotoShop
| > version,
| > > which would explain the CMYK color format.
| > >
| > > So I would say that this user assumes that the JPEG images they had already created for
| printing,
| > > could also be used in their ad on the web as well.
| > >
| > > So now that I know what is the cause of the problem, I can write instructions to help avoid this
| > > issue in the future.
| > >
| > > Thanks Eleanor, Wally, Rob, Steve and Tom P, and anyone else I haven't named for taking the time
| > to
| > > help me determine the cause of this problem.
| > >
| > > --
| > > ==============================================
| > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > >
| > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > ==============================================
| > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > >
| > > > I have never seen any option for CMYK in Photoshop Elements when you use
| > > > "save for web," unless the complete Photoshop has it. If Photoshop and
| > > > Photoshop Elements have the same "save" options, you could tell your clients
| > > > to use "save for web" and check "optimized." That way, they will get
| > > > something completely usable. It would not be any big trick. It's the normal
| > > > way to save, and you should not have to intervene at all.
| > > >
| > > > Wally S
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Then the issue appears to be the saving of the image with a CMYK color
| > > > format and that the newer
| > > > > browser can not handle this color format, whereas the older browsers at
| > > > least make an attempt to
| > > > > display it.
| > > > >
| > > > > --
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > > >
| > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > Thomas, it's a compression setting.
| > > > > > The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
| > > > > > What ever CMYK is??
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > Steve Easton
| > > > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > > > 95isalive
| > > > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > > > .......................with a computer
| > > > > >
| > > > | > > > > > > Hey folks,
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply here, I
| > > > have created a page with
| > > > > > > examples and notes.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > --
| > > > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
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Jack Brewster

Thomas said:
In order for users to upload their image, the image file size must be 80 kb or less.

Thomas,

I know you're not running any PS apps, but you may want to check out the
trial version of Photoshop CS/Photoshop Elements.

If you've got a test box or Virutal PC, you can try them out and still
keep your system clean. ;)
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Thanks, Jack, I have test machine with FP2002 and FP2003 which I could use, but I really have no
need for any other image/graphics app outside of MS Image Composer for development work.

I actually do own PhotoShop v4 and v5.0 which I could upgrade, but I really never like working with
it. I also own CorelDraw v7, which was my favorite graphics application before getting into web
development back in 1997. I think I have actually download every image application available at some
time, but I find Image Composer to be the best application for my needs.

I also have MS PhotoDraw and MS Digital Image Pro installed for messing around with my digital
camera photos.

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