Open Office installation report?

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JanC

omega said:
And some of those rules I do not agree with. For instance, MSFT tells
developers it is imperative they never use a local ini for user settings.
This is one where I'm very glad so many developers ignore MSFT.

That's because they want them to use the registry. The registry is not a
bad idea in itself (it was "borrowed" from VMS) but it's implemented in a
way that's too fragile. One corrupted registry key can renders the whole
register useless; but that's an implementation problem...

The single-point-of-failure registry is one reason why I prefer text
configuration files. The other is the absence of good registry editors
outside of Windows (e.g. to be able to do a repair).
(If, as I suspect, the design has some vague idea that it would make
things easier for system administrators, dealing with roaming profiles,
and user data backups, and etc - well, even if think the subject for half
a moment, you realize that they will always have to deal with settings
coming from an inevitable variety of locations on disk and registry, thus
no convenience at all is added that I can see when a program uses that
directory.)

The fact that settings can by tied to multiple locations (local machine,
local user profile, roaming user profile, etc.), one overriding the other,
is exactly the reason why a sysadmin doesn't want those settings thrown all
over the system & network in every possible directory...

Also on many company PCs with Win2k/XP, a program run by a "normal user"
can't *write* in the application directory, but it can write in the users
Application Data directory...

Unix also separates things like the program, data, system-wide config &
user config in their own directories, but unix has always been a multi-user
system.

(A problem with the way MS does it, is that they bury those directories so
deep in the filesystem that they are difficult to access.)
 
R

Richard Steven Hack

I have 2-3 thousand installed programs. Not counting Microsoft and not
counting Mozilla, only 3 of those thousands of programs are using the
"application data" directory. FORTUNATELY.

I suspect - but do not know - that MS in creating that directory was
trying - however incompetently - to create a place to put "read-only
application data" or something a la the /usr directory tree in UNIX.
Problem was, they didn't implement UNIX's ability to put any directory
on any partition or device. And then they compounded the problem by
only allowing Windows to install on the first partition of the first
hard drive.

I think Microsoft designs systems by first making a list of all the
things they WON'T allow you to do - and whatever is left over is
considered the "feature list" - which most people equate with the "bug
list."
And some of those rules I do not agree with. For instance, MSFT tells
developers it is imperative they never use a local ini for user settings.
This is one where I'm very glad so many developers ignore MSFT.

Yes, the Registry is a flawed device. IBM's AIX uses something like
it, but I don't know the details. Config files are so much safer and
easier to use - at least compared to the Windows Registry. I can
envision a more robust and easier to use Registry which might be
better than text-based config files. But the reason Linux is so
highly configurable and much easier to repair or work around when
there is a problem is the use of text config files - at least when you
can find documentation for the format (which in the case of the
standard stuff is easy to find.)
Without even looking, I know I can believe you that MSDN has some
documents sitting out there instructing to use the "application data"
directory. Good reason is another matter. It is /highly inconvenient/
for me not to have a program's data in its directory. It further gives
my whole directory structure a completely unnatural bump and knot, without
justice.

Check out the Linux File System Hierarchy here:
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/. This explains what should be the
"standard" way of doing things on Linux. The reasoning behind the
separation of and content of the various directory trees might be
interesting for you. Data should be separate from a program's
executables and configuration and support files. But not so separate
that you can't even find it and can't specify where it should go -
which is what Windows does.

Heh - and they say WIndows is easier to use than Linux. I guess
"Grandma" could figure this one out in Windows (see my argument in
another thread in this newsgroup). LOL.
 
S

Susan Bugher

dszady said:
Ahhh... Ya, that's the ticket.


My sister had a '74 Pinto. I am surprised she isn't dead. It could only be
driven with a beer between the legs.

ah, car stories . . . how about one that required two people to operate,
one to jump out, open the hood and shift it manually after a complete
stop . . . empty beer cans went into the back seat . . . :)
They were snappy weren't they?


Second must merit something. Humm... mud flaps, perhaps. :)

It's okay dszady - I'm resigned to not winning - I figure the
Pricelessware discussion months were my best shot at first place . . .

I just couldn't beat the competition . . . ;)

Susan
 
D

dszady

ah, car stories . . . how about one that required two people to operate,
one to jump out, open the hood and shift it manually after a complete
stop . . . empty beer cans went into the back seat . . . :)

Sounds like my old Ford Ranger. Is that a true story? I mean the shifting
part. :)
It's okay dszady - I'm resigned to not winning - I figure the
Pricelessware discussion months were my best shot at first place . . .

I just couldn't beat the competition . . . ;)

Well you have a week to go. But after a break I think she is vying for 1st
again.
 
O

omega

It was embarrassing, when I saw those stats. Your posts in December
were necessary for guiding the PL process. But mine, well, hmmm...
The numbers could end as fodder for some accusation about Obsessive-
Compulsive Posting Disorder.

At least I did find one source of consolation. In the newsgroup
alt.usage.english, they compile total post stats, over years, on the
participants, and some of these folks have numbers over 10,000 next to
their name. One guy has even passed the 20,000 mark. Whew.

http://www.exw6sxq.com/sparky/aue_related/sorted_over_50_merged.shtml
Well you have a week to go. But after a break I think she is vying for 1st
again.

I have the whole day cleared. I'm going to try to get in at least 30
posts before clocking off today, to try to shoot forward to the front
in the month's finish line. ;)
 
D

dszady

It was embarrassing, when I saw those stats. Your posts in December
were necessary for guiding the PL process. But mine, well, hmmm...
The numbers could end as fodder for some accusation about Obsessive-
Compulsive Posting Disorder.

At least I did find one source of consolation. In the newsgroup
alt.usage.english, they compile total post stats, over years, on the
participants, and some of these folks have numbers over 10,000 next to
their name. One guy has even passed the 20,000 mark. Whew.

http://www.exw6sxq.com/sparky/aue_related/sorted_over_50_merged.shtml

What gets me is #3 who posts 360 a month.
#1's top month averaged 21.88 a day!
That is OCD.

FIFTEEN THINGS THAT IT TOOK ME OVER 50 YEARS TO
LEARN---by Dave Barry
....
#3 There is a very fine line between a hobby and mental illness

[...]
 
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Njord

DC said:
The last freeware version decided to expire on us, without a warning of
any kind. Kinda put us off, you know? I resent being a free beta
tester -- unless I go willingly.

I got caught also and didn't like it. I did however go back to a previous
version which I reinstalled. It is version 1.2.0.181. So far it has not
expired. You may be able to find it.

--

Njord

"Lord, your sea is so big, and my boat is so small"

Anonymous
 
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omega

dszady said:
What gets me is #3 who posts 360 a month.
#1's top month averaged 21.88 a day!
That is OCD.

Heh. Pretty amazing numbers.

Yet something occurs to me. What I can say in defense of the AUE folks
is that a pretty significant number of them make their living in the
writing trades. For most folks in these trades, it's important that they
write constantly. Not strictly on assignments - but more, that they keep
continuously engaged in the writing act itself. It develops their style,
and keeps their juices flowing. Most important, it keeps at bay the winter
freeze: the dreaded writer's block.

Of course there are others, like all newsgroups, who are just "hanging out."
When I was a bartender, I saw this often: Folks who would regularly log
eight+ hours in their favorite bars, each and every single day (or night),
for years. For company.
FIFTEEN THINGS THAT IT TOOK ME OVER 50 YEARS TO
LEARN---by Dave Barry
...
#3 There is a very fine line between a hobby and mental illness

Where I see the truly severe mental warps, it's at some of the really big
flame wars. Thousands of posts, beyond count: like watching a volcano that
will never go dormant. I've seen flame wars span years. It's incredible.
Two people latch onto each other like pitbulls. They obsess over each other.
The amount of energy that they devote to their "enemy," it's a hundred-fold
greater than what they give to those people in their lives who are good to
them. Priorities like that...it's time for the meds.
 
D

DC

I got caught also and didn't like it. I did however go back to a previous
version which I reinstalled. It is version 1.2.0.181. So far it has not
expired. You may be able to find it.

Thanks, but "no thanks".
 
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Burp

Njord said:
I got caught also and didn't like it. I did however go back to a previous
version which I reinstalled. It is version 1.2.0.181. So far it has not
expired. You may be able to find it.

--

Njord

"Lord, your sea is so big, and my boat is so small"

Anonymous

Downloaded but not installed yet.... supposed to be the 1.2.0.181 version

http://forums.infoprosjoint.net/printthread.php?t=3459

Pardon me if this is off-topic......
 
O

OgO

In alt.comp.freeware, on 29 Jan 2004, Burp announced:
Downloaded but not installed yet.... supposed to be the
1.2.0.181 version

http://forums.infoprosjoint.net/printthread.php?t=3459

Pardon me if this is off-topic......

I jumped onto this thread a bit late - I used to use JV16
Powertools but never got around to reinstalling after a reformat
a few months ago (I'm slack :) So I wasn't even aware of the
old version expiring. I did follow that link though and it
appears that the download links to a file on the homepage, given
that the download file - http://www.kolumbus.fi/jv16/jv16pt.zip -
doesn't have a version number, it is quite possible this is the
latest version, so be careful if there is concerns about the
new versions.

Regards

OgO
 
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Bill Jones

I'm not sure why anyone would want a program that is not longer being
maintianed AND messes with the registry. If it breaks anything, you are
SOL. There are a number of alternatives that are at least being supported.

-----
Bill


In alt.comp.freeware, on 29 Jan 2004, Burp announced:
Downloaded but not installed yet.... supposed to be the
1.2.0.181 version

http://forums.infoprosjoint.net/printthread.php?t=3459

Pardon me if this is off-topic......

I jumped onto this thread a bit late - I used to use JV16
Powertools but never got around to reinstalling after a reformat
a few months ago (I'm slack :) So I wasn't even aware of the
old version expiring. I did follow that link though and it
appears that the download links to a file on the homepage, given
that the download file - http://www.kolumbus.fi/jv16/jv16pt.zip -
doesn't have a version number, it is quite possible this is the
latest version, so be careful if there is concerns about the
new versions.

Regards

OgO
 
B

Bob Adkins

I'm not sure why anyone would want a program that is not longer being
maintianed AND messes with the registry. If it breaks anything, you are
SOL. There are a number of alternatives that are at least being supported.

I agree.

However, JV16 can classify and sort the invalid keys it finds, which I think
are unique features.

Bob
 

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