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Jeffrey F. Bloss

I wondered if dishes were used at both ends to achieve that distance.

I wondered about that too. Given the apparent size/construction of the
dish in the picture, I'd say yes. I'm guessing the max practical range of
one of the apparent setups would be around 70 to 75 miles on a perfect day.
Figure 120 yards doubled 10 times or so... converted to miles... I think
you'll probably come out at right around half the distance we're talking
[...]

Without doing a bunch of calculations, I'd guess that probably what you
have in a realistic spy/hacking scenario is something like the 4 mile max

I'd say a bit more. The math of the thing isn't linear. IOW, if you got
say 10db from a dish of a given diameter and construction, you wouldn't
get 20db from one twice the diameter. A smaller parabolic dish is more
efficient. So the practical size limit on a dish antenna would likely give
gain that would extend the range a bit beyond 4 miles.

The other side of that coin is the fact that a dish really isn't the best
tool for a war driving scenario. With a high front to back ratio, you may
miss a lot of potential targets because you were looking in the wrong
direction. The ~125 mile parabolic dish experiment worked because both
parties knew exactly where the other would be beforehand.

Which of course has no relevance what so ever to anything even remotely
virus related. ;-)
 
H

Heather

David H. Lipman said:
From: "Art" <[email protected]>

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| Don't trust surge protectors. Always unplug from the wall socket.
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| Art
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Right !

Surge protectors (which use Metal Oxide Varistors [MOVs]) will sink
transient surges but not
a close or direct hit of lightning. The amount of joules the MOV can sink
is very low as
compared to the energy in joules that a lightning strike can induce. Note
that once a MOV's
rating is exceeded it will "pop" and no longer be useful and would have to
be replaced.
Thanks, guys!! I did test the APC one (CyberPower was not in use at the
time), and it is OK. My simple test is to plug a lamp into it and then pull
the APC plug to see if there is still power backup in it. Not sure if that
is right or techie enuf, grin.

BUT.....why in blue blazes do they not put some sort of alarm on these
things to tell you that it is blown. CyberPower was very good about
this.....sent me a new one post haste. Which is why I have two. Bought the
APC one immediately after I got a surge hit.

In this particular area of my City we get a lot of surges and drops so we
all use surge protectors. This used to be just a farming area until 20
years ago. One would think they would update the hydro. Nah!! During the
big Aug. 14, 2004 blackout we were without hydro (electricity) and water for
a couple of days. Pump for the water wouldn't work.

Totally OT here, but having gone thru 2 days of no water, no electricity,
etc., being without water is the WORST!! Our neighbours were wonderful and
supplied us with bottled water.....particularly after they heard I had
boiled water from our basement dehumidifier to make coffee. Those young'
uns never heard of such *old coot* workarounds, lol.

Cheers.....Heather
 
W

w_tom

Plug-in protectors (ie APC) can even contribute to damage of
the adjacent computer. It is what they forgot to mention that
tells so much. For example, it claims protection from
transients that don't typically exist. Therefore they can
call it a surge protector. You will then assume it protects
from all types of surges. They just forget to discuss the
different types of surges.

Will a one inch device inside that protector stop what three
miles of sky could not? It must to perform as assumed.

Ben Franklin demonstrated how to protect in 1752. You don't
stop, block, or absorb destructive transients - except where
myths promote overpriced products. So that lightning did not
find earth ground through a steeple, Ben Franklin connected a
lighting rod to protection - earth ground. So that a surge
does not find a path to earth ground through your transistors,
you must install a 'whole house' protector (on each incoming
utility wire) to the single point earth ground.

Earthing is how effective protection was done in the 1930s -
technology is that old and that well proven. Technology so
well proven that a telco installs a 'whole house' protector on
your phone line where it enters the building - and for free.
It's that effective and that inexpensive.

How to identify ineffective protectors. 1) No dedicated
connection for a 'less than 10 foot' wire to earth ground. 2)
Manufacturer avoids all discussion about earthing. He hopes
you complete forget what even Ben Franklin demonstrated.

The surge protector could be completely vaporized and yet
power would still be provided to a computer. Appreciate how
those grossly undersized plug-in protectors meet a human
safety requirement called UL 1449 2nd Edition. They fuse the
protector components so that those components are disconnected
during a surge - leaving the computer to fend for itself.
Notice that the surge protector component - the MOVs - are
completely removed from the protector and still its OK light
illuminates:
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html

Plug-in protectors are not effective and do not perform what
was well proven even in the 1930s - the protector being only
as effective as its earth ground.

Effective protector have brand names of responsible
electrical manufacturers such as Square D, Leviton, Siemens,
Polyphaser, Intermatic, Cutler-Hammer, and GE. Plug-in
protector manufacturers hope you will never learn about, for
example, THE most essential component in a surge protection
'system': earth ground.

Effective 'whole house' protectors are sold in Home Depot
(Intermatic) and Lowes (GE and Cutler-Hammer). Have never
seen an effective protector sold in Sears, Radio Shack,
Staples, Circuit City, Office Max, Walmart, or a grocery
store. How do you know? Where is the connection for a 'less
than 10 foot' connection to earth ground? Do you really think
that silly little plug-in protector or UPS will stop what
three miles of sky could not? They hope you will assume
because profit margins are so high.

You have a whole neighborhood that is ready to learn some
well proven technology. Additional information is in a
discussion entitled "Opinions on Surge Protectors?" starting 8
Jul 2003 in the newsgroup alt.certification.a-plus at:
http://tinyurl.com/l3m9
 
S

Sugien

I do turn the computer off if I leave the house and have two good surge
protectors on here. CyberPower and APC. The lightning came in here via
the faulty phone jack, I assume (my phone was out for a while). My
neighbour who was right next door to the guy that took the major hit (down
the chimney) said it blew his USP. (or UPS....I can never remember that
one right, lol.
I do hope you turn your machines off using *their* power button and do *not*
just turn off the power strip so that everything can be turned off using a
single button; because if you *do* turn off the power strip surge protector
that also turns *off* your protection.
 
S

Sugien

Bart Bailey said:
Seems most newbies these days just memorize a few answers to get a
no-code ticket, and if you wait a few more months there won't be any
code requirement at all.
are they still allowing hams to use the lower bands for slow scan TV? or is
anyone even fooling around with it?
 
B

Bart Bailey

are they still allowing hams to use the lower bands for slow scan TV? or is
anyone even fooling around with it?

I never did SSTV, but think any data mode is legal in the parts of any
band that allow other data modes. The digital newest fascination is 31
baud phase shift keyed digital or PSK31 and it's on all bands, even six.
 
S

Sugien

Bart Bailey said:
I never did SSTV, but think any data mode is legal in the parts of any
band that allow other data modes. The digital newest fascination is 31
baud phase shift keyed digital or PSK31 and it's on all bands, even six.
hmm, they trying to run the web over the radio again?
 
K

kurt wismer

Jeffrey said:
yes, but it was also an unamplified signal... remove the parabolic antenna
from one side of the equation (for a more probable war driving scenario)
and you'll certainly cut down the range but i find it hard to imagine that
it would be cut down from 125 miles to just 4...
[snip]
Figure 120 yards doubled 10 times or so... converted to miles... I
think you'll probably come out at right around half the distance we're
talking about. Of course you could probably get a bit more range out of a
"standard" setup under ideal conditions, and the dishes may have had a bit
more punch, but the point is, the distance was ALL antenna. Take away
those big parabolas, and you got nuttin'. :)

sure, if you take away *both* of them - but that's not what i was
talking about... i was talking about taking away just the AP side
parabola... let the snooper keep his... no good for accessing the
wireless network but plenty good enough to intercept traffic at a
significant distance...
 

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