Notice of intention to complain

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Heather

Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Yup. The ferry is dead. It is being sold at auction. Shame, too, as it
was a good service, but run by terrible management.

I often wondered to myself..."who in heck would go to Rochester from
Toronto and/or why"??? Perhaps you could answer that one for me (G).
Alright. The pie is gone (yum). CC is available close by in the strip
mall at the end of my village. Give at least 15 minutes notice. <g>
Hokay.....can't make it this weekend, but would drive to Rochester and
environs for a LEMON meringue pie. But CC & Pepsi will do just fine. I
will call when I hit Rochester.

Cheers......Heather :cool:))
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Heather said:
I often wondered to myself..."who in heck would go to Rochester from
Toronto and/or why"??? Perhaps you could answer that one for me (G).

The original plan was to get Canadians to come tour our wine country and
spend money. Unfortunately, the bad management never really got a
commitment from the Canadian side to publicize it, so few Canadians came
south. A lot of Rochesterians did go north, though.

I never used it. I travel primarily by motorcycle, and discovered they
didn't have very good tie-down facilities on the boat.
Hokay.....can't make it this weekend, but would drive to Rochester and
environs for a LEMON meringue pie. But CC & Pepsi will do just fine. I
will call when I hit Rochester.

Ring-ring ... ring-ring ...
 
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Joan Archer

I thought it was funny <g>
Joan
Jim...that is absolutely hilarious!! I never saw it before, but I too
will be sending it on to a few of my American friends. The ones
that I know will take it as *just joshing*. (G)

Thanks....Heather
 
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Peter Seiler

Gabriele Neukam - 25.03.2006 18:13 :
On that special day, Peter Seiler, ([email protected]) said...


Every decent regular in this group knows that she is Canadian, and
asking her *such* a question, is close to an offense.

oh, my misfortune indeed. I didn't know wether Heather is Canadian nor
that there is a certain "disharmony" between Canadians and americans
like we Germans have between the "preussens" and the "bavarians". (BTW:
I'm Bavarian (Munich) but my best friends nevertheless are "preussens"
living in Duesseldorf for example. Very sorry. Will excuse addressed to
Heather ;-)
 
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Peter Seiler

Heather - 25.03.2006 19:06 :

ROFL!! It is a good thing I read this post before replying to Peter
Seiler. I take it he does not know that calling a Canadian an American
is a definite no-no!!! Perhaps you know a good analogy for it *in
deutsch* so that he would understand.

No, my dear Peter.....I live in Toronto, Canada. I have never been to
NY and do not intend to ever go there.

Canada Rules!! (G)

Heather, apologize, excuse me, very sorry! Please see my posting to
Gabriele Neukam.
 
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Peter Seiler

Heather - 25.03.2006 19:14 :

Sorry Peter, but I did mean you....however I was not in a good mood and
must apologize. I top post most of time because that is the way it is
done on the Microsoft news groups.

I dislike pcbutts1's behavior at the moment.
Btw, you obviously speak a bit of french as well, which does make some
parts of your posts incomprehensible to those that don't, but it is
easier for a Canadian (G). I wish I could speak German as well as you
speak English...but I forgot it long ago.

oh no, English is only my fourth (school-) language so it must be
terrble for all English speaking people reading my postings ;-)
Cheers...Heather (IN CANADA)

cheers to you there in beautiful *CANADA* ;-)
 
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Noel Paton

Heather said:
Just a heads up for the OP (Lancy).....

I don't have the original post, but if you are running WinME, Norton will
totally screw you up!!!! We see this all the time on our Microsoft WinME
groups.

What galls me is that the packaging says it will work on ME....IT WON'T!!

Pop over to MS WinME General news group or wait for Noel Paton to answer
this....



Me - I'm just sitting here wondering why it's taken this long for someone to
get pissed-off enough to try this tack!
:)

Go for it, Lancy - although if it is indeed a Criminal case, you may find
that the DPP is extraordinarily difficult to convince of anything!....and
then you have to contend with the inevitable jury of '12 good men and
true' - i.e. computer dorks, who don't know how to switch one on, let alone
update an antivirus.

As Figgs has said, it may be more likely to secure a conviction under the
Trades Descriptions Act than whichever one you are talking about

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read on how to post messages to NG's
 
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Clarence \(Lancy\) Howard

Hi Noel
Me - I'm just sitting here wondering why it's taken this long for someone to
get pissed-off enough to try this tack!

I had run out of options. I had tried everything I could think of without
using destructive tactics. I needed to get data off the machine before I
could have a proper examination of it. Thanks to a very helpful suggestion
by Don Kelloway I was able to get the data. I now have the machine on the
the butcher's block and believe me, I truly intend to find out what
happened.

My original suspicion that Norton was the cause is starting to deminish.
However, it might still be that Norton's futile attempts to protect itself
were the reason why I could not access the machine properly.
Go for it, Lancy - although if it is indeed a Criminal case, you may find
that the DPP is extraordinarily difficult to convince of anything!....

Irrelevant. The DPP would not be prosecuting the case. It might well be that
the appropriate authority would use a DPP QC but it would have nothing to do
with them.
...... and then you have to contend with the inevitable jury of '12 good
men and true' - i.e. computer dorks, who don't know how to switch
one on, let alone update an antivirus.

Ordinary people (the 12 good persons and true) have an imediate empathy with
the plight of an individual against a corporation. Indeed, it is more likely
that they would have bias in favour of the individual. This would actually
prohibit a level playing field for the corporation. The civil actions in the
USA about the tobacco industry should never have won if the law was to be
the only determining factor. The juries just new that the corporations were
wrong.
As Figgs has said, it may be more likely to secure a conviction under the
Trades Descriptions Act than whichever one you are talking about

The Trading Standards Officer would have great difficulty prosecuting this
case. One minor activity of Syantec might well breach Trading Standards
within the UK. However, I can think of no comparable European Legislation.
It would be very difficult for the UK to prosecute a company with it's
European headquarters in Dublin, Ireland.

The same would apply to any infringements under the Misuse of Computers
Act(s). European legislation in this area is not a strong as in the UK (a
personal opinion).

Let's face it Noel. I was jumping up and down like a raving lunatic in order
to get attention. It worked. Now, if I do find absolute proof that Norton is
in contravention of the Data Protection Laws (actually, I know they are, but
it's probably the same for many anti-virus companies) then what should I do?
Should I be responsible for all European users of the product to be denied
update downloads. The cure would be worse than the illness.

Clarence (Lancy) Howard
(e-mail address removed) (remove one of the 7s)
 
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James Egan

My original suspicion that Norton was the cause is starting to deminish.
However, it might still be that Norton's futile attempts to protect itself
were the reason why I could not access the machine properly.

Why is your suspicion starting to diminish? You asserted yesterday
that Norton (or a virus) got hold of the cmos during the power on self
test (of the hard disk) stage of a cold boot and gained control so
that subsequent manual editing of the cmos was futile because norton
(or the virus) would immediately overwrite any changes made with it's
own settings.

Are you saying that this is no longer the case or that Norton isn't to
blame because a virus is?


Jim.
 
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Clarence \(Lancy\) Howard

Hi Jim
Why is your suspicion starting to diminish? ........

I have now found remants of four other anti-virus programs on the machine.
It's possible that one of them might have compromised Norton's startup
process. On the other hand, it might be malicious code.
............ You asserted yesterday
that Norton (or a virus) got hold of the cmos during the power on self
test (of the hard disk) stage of a cold boot and gained control so
that subsequent manual editing of the cmos was futile because norton
(or the virus) would immediately overwrite any changes made with it's
own settings.

The process is still happening, but it is not a virus (might be a weird
little trojan though with a single one-off payload).
Are you saying that this is no longer the case or that Norton isn't to
blame because a virus is?

It is definitely not a virus. I do not believe that any anti-virus program
could ever be foolproof. I suspect that Norton has been compromised by
malicious code of some kind. I don't know whether this code has been written
to attack Norton specifically or not.

I can get a clean boot now. I simply attach the cable to an old DOS drive,
boot up and manually edit the CMOS. If I put the sick drive back in and boot
from a floppy I have clean access to the sick disk. So I'll get there
eventually.

Clarence (Lancy) Howard
(e-mail address removed) (remove one of the 7s)
 
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James Egan

I can get a clean boot now. I simply attach the cable to an old DOS drive,
boot up and manually edit the CMOS. If I put the sick drive back in and boot
from a floppy I have clean access to the sick disk. So I'll get there
eventually.

If you put the "sick" drive back in, why isn't it going through the
same power on self test process and re-writing the cmos before booting
from the floppy? Unless it *isn't* in fact re-writing the cmos.

Perhaps you would be good enough to post some links so I can read how
this supposed power on self test "infection" of the cmos is taking
place.


Jim.
 
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Clarence \(Lancy\) Howard

I can get a clean boot now. I simply attach the cable to an old DOS
drive,
If you put the "sick" drive back in, why isn't it going through the
same power on self test process and re-writing the cmos before booting
from the floppy? Unless it *isn't* in fact re-writing the cmos.

Because after I have edited it with the DOS drive in there the CMOS contains
good code. If I put the sick drive back in the CMOS just does an auto look
for the hard drive, reports the change, and then goes through it's normal
process. In this case, it looks first at the A: drive and it finds a floppy
so it boots from that. I can do this over and over again. No problem.

If however, I allow the machine to boot from the sick drive, garbage is
written back to the CMOS. If I now try to boot from a floppy the machine is
starting from the hard disk and then pretending to be booting from the
floppy.
Perhaps you would be good enough to post some links so I can read how
this supposed power on self test "infection" of the cmos is taking
place.

Believe me, I would really love to know.

Clarence (Lancy) Howard
(e-mail address removed) (remove one of the 7s)
 
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James Egan

Because after I have edited it with the DOS drive in there the CMOS contains
good code. If I put the sick drive back in the CMOS just does an auto look
for the hard drive, reports the change, and then goes through it's normal
process. In this case, it looks first at the A: drive and it finds a floppy
so it boots from that. I can do this over and over again. No problem.


Do you mean you are plugging the cable in while powered up and then
warm booting to bypass the power on self test?

If however, I allow the machine to boot from the sick drive, garbage is
written back to the CMOS. If I now try to boot from a floppy the machine is
starting from the hard disk and then pretending to be booting from the
floppy.

Hmmm. What happens if (after adjusting the cmos as previously stated)
you reinstall the "sick" hdd but leave the pc to boot off the floppy?
Or if you leave the dos hdd in and install the "sick" drive as a slave
or secondary master and then set the pc to boot off the floppy. Does
the cmos still get trashed at power up if the "sick" hdd is installed
in the machine?

Believe me, I would really love to know.


If there are no other instances of this happening, don't you think
that it's more likely a hardware failure than some malware?


Jim.
 

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