Next version of windows will need around 100 GB disk space for itself!

G

Guest

And what is it that you want to prove to us ?

Or do you want to call for an immediate stop of technology improvement and
developpement ?
If that is your concern, you should be using DOS, ain't you ?
 
A

Alias

Geo said:
And what is it that you want to prove to us ?

Or do you want to call for an immediate stop of technology improvement and
developpement ?

Vista is not a development or an improvement.
If that is your concern, you should be using DOS, ain't you ?

No, he should be using Linux.

Alias
 
K

keepout

Ubuntu runs just fine on my AMD K7 at 800 Mhz with 256MB of PC-133 RAM.
XP runs on it like molasses runs in a Vermont winter. Vista doesn't have
a chance, even the stripped down Basic version.
possibly because that isn't even the minimum requirements for XP ?
 
P

(PeteCresswell)

Per Tiberius:
yes.... of course.. this has been the case.. in fact the disk space capacity
has grown faster than the
needs of the OS

But still..... 100 gb for windows? lol


"Intel givith.
Microsoft taketh away."
 
G

Guest

Julian said:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics

Please post the equivalent data for the average Unix, Linux, OS10, VM and
Z/OS
systems so the figures can be seen in their correct context.

As it stand, without comparison to alternatives, your graphs are
meaningless.

The fact that he made them with his " possible projections" makes them useless
I can make one that says the new self compressing OS's will only need 1
meg and it's just as meaningful.
 
G

Guest

Even thought it is a futile execise I can see where Tiberius is coming from
and as people say "who knows what the future holds"
But then again I have this De Lorien and when it gets up to 88 mph you do
see some serious s..t lolol
 
N

Nina DiBoy

Tiberius said:
Dont believe me? See this graph I made with a possible "projection" to year
2010 when the next version of windows will come out codenamed "vienna"

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6651/graphic1sw0.jpg

Did anyone say the word bloat??? :)

I have only 1 criticism of your graph. Vista needs more than 10 GB HDD
space unless you are knowledgeable and turn off a bunch of stuff!
Otherwise, great graph! :)

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Very simple Nothing I like better than insulting Linsux losers, fanboys
and trolls like you."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
S

Stan

I have only 1 criticism of your graph. Vista needs more than 10 GB HDD
space unless you are knowledgeable and turn off a bunch of stuff!

This reminds me of an article I read a while back in some computing
mag that showed that as each generation of software comes out, the
computing horse power to handle them has to be more just to keep you
flowing at the same rate as you were before. According to the
article, this is due to Applications & OS’s becoming more and more
bloated with each generation, each generation of programmers becoming
more and more “sloppy” code writers compared to programmers of the
past that had pride in the streamline architecture of their code and
the big move today to have all applications and OS’s as “Suits”
instead of focusing. With that, what use to take a task 5 seconds to
do on an 8088 machine and software of that day still takes the same 5
seconds today with today’s software even though the system’s
processing speed is now light year’s ahead of what is was in the 8088
days. The article gave specific examples of well known applications
and OS’s today and yesterday to back up some of its comparisons.

I guess someone has a real way to measure this and I have no idea if
the article holds water or not but it “sort of” made sense to me. I
can’t measure tasks in nanoseconds but I do know that it takes around
30 seconds for my 2.0 GHz machine with 1Gig memory to load XP-SP2 and
that it took my 8088 machine with 256K of memory around the same 30
seconds to load windows 3.1

There will be those that argue that we can do so much more today with
our systems than we did yesterday. True and the article was not
arguing that… it was showing that the speed with “comparable” tasks
has not changed that much even though we are now running processors
light speed ahead of what we had back in the 8088 days.

Let’s say you have a car that weighs 3000lbs with a 200 HP engine to
make it do 0 to 60 in 10 seconds. Now you get a car that weighs
4000lbs and it needs 250 HP in order to achieve the same identical 0
to 60 in 10 seconds. You got more horsepower but it still takes the
same 10 seconds to get from 0 to 60 because the car has become bloated
with extra weight. BUT… the car is bigger (more bloated) because it
has a Suit and more bells & whistles instead of a seat and just a few
knobs so… one could surmise that yes, it still takes you 10 seconds to
go from 0 to 60 but look at the style with which you are doing it in.

In closing, I think Jay Leno on the Tonight Show said it best when he
said that he finally went out and bought a computer twice as fast as
his last computer… problem was, it came with an operating system twice
as big as the one before so… he was back where he started except a
little more light in the wallet (not that Jay Leno would ever feel
lighter in the wallet).

Regards
 
R

Ronnie Vernon MVP

Stan

You don't talk like you've been around since the 8088 days? You either
haven't been around that long or you have learned very little since then.

A few facts that you are forgetting about.

1. Advances in hardware technology is what drives operating system
development, not the other way around.

2. The biggest reason for operating system bloat is backward compatibility.
You are forced to leave a big chunk of the old code in there.

I wonder what the result would be if MS just decided that they didn't need
backward compatibility or the need to support more than 32MB of RAM or
anything faster than a 486?
 
X

xfile

1. Advances in hardware technology is what drives operating system
development, not the other way around.

Hi,

No disrespect, but if my memory serves me right, Andy Grove once mentioned
in many years ago, that it's "both ways".

PS: The following are not quotes.

New applications (not necessary OS) with more features and functions will
require more power from hardware while advanced hardware will also provide
more rooms for application developers.

Both software (including but not limited to OS) and hardware drive each
other to further advancement, provided users appreciate the new
developments.

Based on my limited experience, I do think he is right.
 
T

Tony Stork

I can hardly see how the next version of Windows will take 100 GB of space,
considering how Vista is only about 5 GB bigger than XP.
 
T

Tiberius

You lie!!!! where the heck do you come up with such trash?

its not 5 gb bigger... its 13 GB bigger at least!

XP needs 2gb or as MS says 1.5 GB for itself. If you take into account the
vanila pre sp2 version it takes less...
as you can see here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/sysreqs.mspx

Vista needs 10 but then it has the shadow copy that makes the space grow
very much too!

Even the specs on the MS site itself says 15 gb minimum!
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/systemrequirements.mspx
I can hardly see how the next version of Windows will take 100 GB of space,

Yeah you didnt read the post of a person in here wondering why his vista
installation is eating 100 gb because of shadow copy space did you?
 
T

Tiberius

it is both ways of course!!!

Vista was made so slow sloppy and such a resource hog because they know they
will have multicore machines
to boat down to a crawl! lol


By the way my test machine... Vista on a 1.8 ghz machine with 1.2 gb of ram
reminds me of the speed of a pentium 133 with 64 ram and windows 2k on it!
lol
 
T

Tiberius

no its the trend... there are mathematics that can give a precise indication
... but no one can know the
future for sure... If I was to declare that I am predicting the future for
sure without a deviation then
you would say I cannot do that! So stop the crap please....

They (MS) did not change their policy from 1995 to 2007, what makes you
think they will stop bloating
in 2010??
 
R

R. McCarty

I think you'll find that on a Vista instance the bulk of the disk space is
now consumed by the Side-by-Side components in \Windows\Winsxs.
Usually taking up around 3.6 Gigabytes of disk space.
 
F

Frank

Tiberius said:
no its the trend... there are mathematics that can give a precise indication
.. but no one can know the
future for sure... If I was to declare that I am predicting the future for
sure without a deviation then
you would say I cannot do that! So stop the crap please....

They (MS) did not change their policy from 1995 to 2007, what makes you
think they will stop bloating
in 2010??
Let me make a simple suggestion for "people" like you.
Buy an distro of a nix os. Take out all backward compatibility. Take out
everything you don't want or need and volia!
You've got your 1kb os.
Frank
 

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