New Imformation on System Restore & Windows Installer Registry Corruption

[+-J]

| Tools - Options - Read - Read All Messages In Plain Text
| I've never ticked it.

Mine has always been, and still is, ticked - I see all text as plain - which is what I want.
However, this setting does *not* stop OE from displaying *inserted* images.

MS Internet Explorer gives the user the choice of displaying images (or not).
Unfortunately for me, MS Outlook Express does not seem to have that option.

| Last thing I want. I often post technical reference data that only makes sense if it retains its formatting, mainly tables.

Noted.

 

[Chad Harris]

David--

Thanks for the key combo list. I'm glad to get resources like this from you anytime. Appreciate it.

Chad Harris

_________________

To move around the desktop toolbars, Taskbar, Notification Area and the Desktop - press Ctrl + Escape (or the Winkey) to activate Start, Escape to cancel the menu, then Tab and Shift + Tab to the various parts of the screen. Use the arrow keys to move within a section. Winkey + B jumps straight to the System Notification Area.

Key Description
Delete key or Delete on the shortcut menu Deletes the file
Shift + Delete key or Shift + Delete on the shortcut menu Deletes the file and doesn't place it in the Reycle Bin
Dbl Click a drive shortcut, Rycycle Bin, Start Menu, or My Computer Opens an folder view of the double clicked item
Shift + Dbl Click a drive shortcut, Rycycle Bin, Start Menu, or My Computer Open an explorer view with the double clicked item selected
Shift + Close Button Closes the current folder and all parent folders
Shift + Drag Move a file (default when dragging on the same drive)
Shift + Right Click Opens the object's context menu with hidden verbs shown, if any
Shift + Send To menu Moves a file (default when sending on the same drive)
Shift + Insert a CD Prevents the CD from auto running
Shift + Starting Windows Doesn't run the programs in the startup folder
Shift + No in a file confirmation dialog Means No To All (XP)
Shift + View menu - Thumbnails Hides the label for the thumbnails. Repeat to Show (XP)
Ctrl + Dbl Click an object (such as a document file) Opens in the object behind other windows. Doesn't work on all objects
Ctrl + Close button Sets the system default settings, mainly sort order. Icon style is not affected
Ctrl + Close button in Picture & Fax Viewer Resets "Don't Show .... Again" dialog settings
Ctrl + Drag Copies a file (default for dragging between drives)
Ctrl + Send To menu Copies the file (default when sending between drives)
Ctrl + Send To menu Powertoys (except Send Contents to Clipboard) Sends the short name to the clipboard or run dialog
Ctrl + Send To menu Send Contents to Clipboard Powertoy Opens a dialog box to specify the data format
Ctrl + Shift + Drag
(also Alt + Drag) Creates a Shortcut rather than moving or copying a file (default when dragging only program files in 95, default for dragging files called setup.exe and install.exe later versions)
Ctrl + Shift + Send To menu Creates a Shortcut rather than moving or copying a file
Ctrl + Plus Key in Explorer Auto sizes all columns
Ctrl + Alt + Delete Starts the Close Program dialog box (Windows 9x), Security dialog (NT, 2000, XP if Welcome Screen disabled), and Task Manager (XP with Welcome Screen enabled)
Ctrl + Shift + Escape Starts the Close Program dialog box (Windows 9x) or Task Manager (NT, 2000, XP)
Ctrl + Alt + Shift and Close or Cancel in the Shutdown dialog Closes down Window's shell. Use Task Manager's File - Run dialog to start Explorer to restart the shell.
Ctrl + Click a Taskbar Button Select multiple Windows to tile or cascade (by right clicking the taskbar)
Alt + Space Opens the System menu
Alt + Hyphen Opens the Document menu in MDI applications
Alt + Enter or Alt + Dbl Click Open the Property dialog
Alt + Left Arrow Moves forward through the history list
Alt + Right Arrow Moves backwards through the history list
Alt + Tab Cycles through open windows, and switches to the window when the Alt key is released
Alt + Shift + Tab Cycles backwards through open windows, and switches to the window when the Alt key is released
Alt + Esc Switches to the next open window
Alt + Shift + Esc Switches to the previous open window
Alt + Home Home Page
Left Arrow Collapse the current selection if it is expanded or Select the parent folder
Right Arrow Expand the current selection if it is collapsed or Select the first subfolder
Num Lock On + Minus Sign (-) Collapse the selected folder
Num Lock On + * Expand all folders below the current selection
Num Lock On + Plus Sign (+) Expand the selected folder
Home Top of File List
End Bottom of File List
[Characters] tyed without a pause Goto the object that starts with the characters that were typed
[Single Character] after a pause Goto the next object starting with that character
Backspace Go to the parent folder
Right Click the System Menu or the Folder Icon in Web View Pops up the context menu for the container
Drag an object onto a Windows Titlebar Opens that object in that window (dragging into the window will often work, but in OLE documents this will insert the object into the current document)
Drag an object over, then hover over a collapsed folder in Explorer's tree view Expands the folder display
Drag an object over, then hover over, a taskbar button Brings the Window attached to the Taskbar button to the top
Drag an object over, then hover over, a blank part of the taskbar Minimises all open windows

Function Keys
Key Description
F1 Starts Windows Help
F2 Renames the selected file
F3 Starts Find Files or Folders
F4 Opens the drop down address bar
Alt + F4 Closes the current window in Explorer, exits an application, or if the shell has the focus (ie Start Menu or the Desktop), exits Windows
F5 Refreshes the view in Explorer, Desktop, or Start Menu
F6 or Tab Switch between left and right panes
F10 Menu access key (same to pressing Alt by itself)
Shift + F10 or the Application key Context menu access key
Shift + Ctrl + F10 or Shift + Right Click Add Open With.. to Right Click Menu
F11 Toggles full screen view

Control Keys
Key Description
Ctrl + A Selects all files
Ctrl + B Organise Favourites (in an Explorer window)
Ctrl + C Copies a file
Ctrl + D If a file isn't selected adds the current folder to Favourites
Ctrl + E or Ctrl + F Opens the Search pane in Explorer
Ctrl + G Goto (older versions only)
Ctrl + H Opens the History pane in Explorer
Ctrl + H Opens the Favourites pane in Explorer
Ctrl + P Prints the Web View template part of the view if the Web View has the focus (this isn't a useful feature)
Ctrl + R Refreshes the view
Ctrl + V Pastes a file
Ctrl + W Closes an Explorer window
Ctrl + X Cuts a file
Ctrl + Z Undoes the last operation (if possible)

The Winkey
The Winkey works even if Explorer or the Shell doesn't have the focus.

Key Description
Winkey or Ctrl + Esc Opens the Start Menu
Winkey + B Set focus to the first icon in the System Notification Area.
Winkey + D Minimises and hides windows that can't be minimised or Unminimises/unhides all windows
Winkey + E Starts Explorer
Winkey + F Starts Find Files or Folders
Winkey + Ctrl + F Starts Find Computer
Winkey + M Minimises all windows that can be minimised
Winkey + Shift + M Unminimises all windows
Winkey + R Starts the Run Dialog
Winkey + F1 Starts Windows Help (F1 start help for the current application, if the focus is in Explorer or the desktop F1 also starts Windows Help)
Winkey + Tab Cycles through open windows with out bringing the Window to the top (press Enter)
Winkey + Break Starts System Properties

Windows 2000/XP Only

Key Description
Winkey + L Lock Workstation or Switch User (if Welcome Screen is on)
Winkey + U Accessability Utility Manager

Selecting
Key Description
Click an object Selects the object, cancelling any other selection.
Control + Click, or Control + Space Selects or unselects the object without cancelling any other selection.
Arrow Keys Moves the focus and selects the object.
Control + Arrow Keys Moves the focus without selecting the objects.
Shift + Arrow Keys Moves the focus and adds the object to the selected objects.
Click then Shift + Click Selects all objects between the two clicks.
Drag Drag a rectangle to select all objects within the rectangle.

Auto Complete
Key Description
Alt + Down Arrows (or double click) Opens the drop down list
Down Arrow Cycles from most recent to least recent Auto Complete suggestions. Will match suggestions that start with the characters to the left of the cursor. Only letters are able to be used for partial matches.
Up Arrow Cycles from least recent to most recent Auto Complete suggestions. Will match suggestions that start with the characters to the left of the cursor. Only letters are able to be used for partial matches. If no letters are entered then the Up Arrow is only valid after the Down Arrow has been used.
Right Arrow Goes to the end of the suggestion. Type or press up or down arrow to cycle through suggestions which begin with the characters to the left of the cursor.
Ctrl + Left or Right Arrow Moves cursor a word at a time, slashes and dots are considered word separators.
Ctrl + Enter Adds http://www. before the typed word and .com after it in the address bar.
Delete Deletes the highlighted suggestion for forms and passwords only.

Message Boxes and Error Dialogs
Key Description
Ctrl + C Copies the text of a message box to the clipboard.
Alt + D Shows details in an error dialog.


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'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html

Tools - Options - Read - Read All Messages In Plain Text

I've never ticked it. Last thing I want. I often post technical reference daya that only makes sense if it retains it's formatting, mainly tables.

 

[Chad Harris]

Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several posts in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in html it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in OE, in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris
____________________________________________________________________________
__

 

[Kelly]

Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. Notepad is a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

 

[\James M. Callahan]

I think he means the toolbar that appears when you are composing a
message in OE and you select "Rich Text (HTML)" in the "Format"
menu.

J.M.C.

 

[Incognitus]

Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why.

Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the format in
which they were sent'

<snip>

 

[Chad Harris]

It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of IE/XP) and
it shows up if I click Format>Rich text>html. *It's not part of any 3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows 95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up as in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less than
..05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris

____________________________________________________________________________
__

 

[Chad Harris]

I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's for a good
reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics,
underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much of a bandwidth
problem? It's not a large image. My posts in html weren't intentional on
this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate. They
were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab. And I still noticed the
html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since
I wasn't doing anything but hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.
The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a
workout"--(I'm not sure what that means because his eyes have all the tools
to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically) but it came simply
from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot
understand why it is such a prodigious deal.

Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened
up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

So I'm still left with:

1) Why is posting in html a huge deal? I can site two ocassions on these
groups when MSFT OK'd posting up an attachment and posting in html (one
wasn't a public group) and one was a word group for the purpose of being
able to review verbose logs.

What's the problem for people if you use italics or a bold or underlined
word? I can understand Plato found that paste from Kelly's site small,
and it gave his eyes a "workout"--that I call normal physiology.
Particularly given David Candy's comments above (this being a binary group).
I thought that rich text was conceived for the same good reason that there
are multiple fonts.

2) What was Kelly's point about testing in note pad first. Testing what?
For why? A hyperlink in note pad for what reason?

Best,

Chad Harris
_________________________________________________________



| Chad Harris wrote:
| >
| > There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th
|
| Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even
| smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.

Plato,

I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even write
eMails in HTML).

Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic files which
are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can be
disabled.)

 

[David Candy]

"--(I'm not sure what that means because his eyes have all the tools

to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)

How old are you? Under 40 I bet.

 

[Ken Blake]

In

I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's for a
good reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use
italics, underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much of a
bandwidth problem?

"Going nuts' is perhaps too strong a reaction, but be aware that
there are several significant problems with html:

1. Html messages can carry viruses.

2. Html messages are bigger than text messages, often very much
bigger. That may not be a problem for you if, for example, you're
in the USA and have a fast connection. But realize that many
people use dial-up, either because that's all that's available to
them where they are, or because they can't afford anything
faster. Also in many other parts of the world, people pay for
their internet usage by the minute, and anything that increases
the size of messages is a great imposition to them.

3. Everyone's idea of what constitutes an attractive or improved
html message is different. You may think your html messages are
beautiful, but someone else might find them unreadable. I once
had a correspondent who would send me E-mail messages with red
text on a black background. I could barely make them out.

He finally stopped and switched to text when I threatened to
killfile him if he didn't. ;-)

 

[Chad Harris]

Ken--

I appreciate the additional information. I wasn't as alert to HTML carrying
viruses. I understand the bandwidth situation, and that in the US there are
many pockets in many states where there isn't always a broadband option
available--and unfortunately when there is there is not yet a choice of
multiple broadband carriers which means price points are way to high and
mickey mouse excuses are given as to why Cable providers can't provide
ala-cart services so you aren't stuffed with 50 TV stations for 50 bucks a
month that you'd never watch in order to get HBO of something else you want.

Even when I take the check out of the send tab to reply to messages in
format sent, I still get the OE html formatting bar (which is what MSFT
officially calls it and I was trying to convey to Kelly is a native part of
MSFT OE/IE/XP. I have a couple chapters on OE in the last IE book MSFT
Press put out and they talk about the options of the Plain Text Settings
dialogue box but they don't really explain how to use the options or what
they mean (not the first and last time for that)--Encode text using--Allow 8
bit messages for headers--Indentation Character--Automatic Text Wrapping
other than to say it should be a few characters less than 80.

"Go nuts" is too strong a word but people are going to jump up and down if
you use HTML that much I'm certain. Even with the checks in the proper
place on the send tab this reply box defaulted to HTML or rich text, but it
is easy enough to change it.

Best,

Chad Harris


In

I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's for a
good reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use
italics, underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much of a
bandwidth problem?

"Going nuts' is perhaps too strong a reaction, but be aware that
there are several significant problems with html:

1. Html messages can carry viruses.

2. Html messages are bigger than text messages, often very much
bigger. That may not be a problem for you if, for example, you're
in the USA and have a fast connection. But realize that many
people use dial-up, either because that's all that's available to
them where they are, or because they can't afford anything
faster. Also in many other parts of the world, people pay for
their internet usage by the minute, and anything that increases
the size of messages is a great imposition to them.

3. Everyone's idea of what constitutes an attractive or improved
html message is different. You may think your html messages are
beautiful, but someone else might find them unreadable. I once
had a correspondent who would send me E-mail messages with red
text on a black background. I could barely make them out.

He finally stopped and switched to text when I threatened to
killfile him if he didn't. ;-)

 

[Ken Blake]

In

Ken--

I appreciate the additional information.

You're welcome, Chad. Glad to help.

Even when I take the check out of the send tab to reply to messages in
format sent, I still get the OE html formatting bar (which is what
MSFT officially calls it and I was trying to convey to Kelly is a
native part of MSFT OE/IE/XP. I have a couple chapters on OE in the
last IE book MSFT Press put out and they talk about the options of
the Plain Text Settings dialogue box but they don't really explain
how to use the options or what they mean (not the first and last time
for that)--Encode text using--Allow 8 bit messages for
headers--Indentation Character--Automatic Text Wrapping other than to
say it should be a few characters less than 80.

Yes, in my view, it's unfortunate that Microsoft makes html the
default, and doesn't make it easy to turn it off either. I use
Microsoft products for both E-mail (Outlook) and newsgroups
(Outlook Express) and have it turned off in both. But not
everybody even realizes that turning it off is an option, and
even if they do, they can't necessarily figure out how to do it.

"Go nuts" is too strong a word but people are going to jump up and
down if you use HTML that much I'm certain. Even with the checks in
the proper place on the send tab this reply box defaulted to HTML or
rich text, but it is easy enough to change it.

"Some people" will do that. I'm against using html too, but I
don't normally react that strongly to its being used. Especially
since I'm on a fast connection, and have "Read all messages in
plain text" checked in Outlook Express.

By the way, one other point against html that I should have
mentioned, but forgot to. Some people use newsreaders that
doesn't render html and they see the encoded text instead.
Reading that stuff is a real pain.

 

[+-J]

Incognitus,

This setting will *not* strip HTML markup from "pasted HTML".
However, pasting HTML into Notepad first *will* strip the HTML markup.
Then copy the resulting TEXT from Notepad into OE.
---
Jan


|
| > Kelly--
| > I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in when I get ready to reply and I don't know why.
|
|
| Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

 

[+-J]

| Chad Harris <[email protected]> typed:
| > I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's for a
| > good reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you
| use italics, underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much
| of a bandwidth problem?
|
|
| "Going nuts' is perhaps too strong a reaction, but be aware that
| there are several significant problems with html:
|
| 1. Html messages can carry viruses.
|
| 2. Html messages are bigger than text messages, often very much
| bigger. That may not be a problem for you if, for example, you're
| in the USA and have a fast connection. But realize that many
| people use dial-up, either because that's all that's available to
| them where they are, or because they can't afford anything
| faster. Also in many other parts of the world, people pay for
| their internet usage by the minute, and anything that increases
| the size of messages is a great imposition to them.
|
| 3. Everyone's idea of what constitutes an attractive or improved
| html message is different. You may think your html messages are
| beautiful, but someone else might find them unreadable. I once
| had a correspondent who would send me E-mail messages with red
| text on a black background. I could barely make them out.
|
| He finally stopped and switched to text when I threatened to
| killfile him if he didn't. ;-)


Ken,

Well said!

Double irony when visiting these newsgroups whilst using the web interface (CDO):

1. Markup - all HTML/RTF is stripped, so all visual embellishments are lost anyway.

2. Bandwidth - *ten* (10) copies of each post-message are sent to the user's web browser, viz.:-

1 * actual message
1 * // commented-out message
4 * [Reply] messages - one for MSIE 6, one for MSIE 5.5, one for MSIE 5.0 and one for 'other'
4 * [Forward] messages - as above

-and- in each of those 10 copies, almost every non-alphanumeric character is "%-escaped" - each ASCII byte becomes three bytes, and
each UNICODE byte-pair becomes at least five bytes

-and- not to forget all the bloated HTML of the website itself!

 

[+-J]

Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

.... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...

 

[Chad Harris]

Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...

 

[Chad Harris]

+J--

Reading what I posted might help and I'm for ending this and getting onto some XP problems. But I'll be happy to repeat some of what you didn't read and understand first go 'round:

"YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML*" We have some fortune tellers in our town that would view you as competition. I disagree. I have some excellent reasons to post in HTML--it would look ten times better. That's why books, the print media, TV computer graphics, and nearly anything visual that you ever read deploys it.

You have a full time job getting insight into your own motivation. There are a number of people who have done it with good reason, and there are groups directly supervised by MSFT right now that permit it if the poster feels they have a reason, and the MSFT supervisors have said directly that they will post in HTML or put up an attachment if they feel *they* have a reason.

"But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others." Nope, As I've said for the third time, now, I didn't change the font size although you changed it above. Kelly or someone else on her site chose the font size and I pasted it and didn't realize I posted in html and didn't even intend to and it preserved that font size from the SR article from Kellly.

I didn't change the font size at all in that Post--as I explained twice, it came from a Web Page on Kelly's XP website--the article on System Restore.

Highlights of System Restore Fixes in SP1 (Kelly's XP)

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

"Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even smaller to give my eyes an even better workout."

For the tenth time, *I* didn't pick the font, Kelly or someone else did. So what happens when you go to Kelly's page--do you jump up and down resenting that font is there? How 'bout Plato? Have you asked Kelly to change that font or pick one even smaller to give your eyes a workout or like a big boy figure a way to scroll and make it comfortable viewing because it's far and away one of the best sites or collections of information anyone has worked hard to compile and meticulously update.


I pasted directly from this page. Scroll to the bottom where Kelly included MSFT's SR Team member's writeup as to changes in Windows XP SP1--a change I haven't seen conveyed anywhere that is significant and seldom mentioned in posts on System Restore and why it works or doesn't. I'm taking from this that Kelly has a piece of information on her site that most people need to know. When I pasted, I didn't even know HTML was on.

As I've said more than once on this thread, I have the appropriate check marks "Reply to messages in their format" has the check out and "News Sending Format" has a radio button in "Send in Plain text." I mastered the art of the difficult navigation Tools>Options>Send tab and it doesn't matter--the "HTML Formatting Part of MSFT OE/IE/XP bar" still comes up. It's up now, and it will be up until I turn it off--which I've managed to do since it caused concern.

"You did not measure anything." You're clueless as to what I measured.

I was explicit and clear on its face about precisely what on the Send tab is appropriate to deploy Plaint Text and I really appreciate your pointing out that there are a few other options on the Send tab--the rest of us could never count them and going to those tabs is such a highly complex manuever.

But there's something you don't appreciate. OE is the freebie from MSFT. There has been a culture at Redmond that it doesn't get that developed and it doesn't get updated often or in much depth. One of the product managers a few months ago announed it was being discontinued in fact, but then there was a quick retraction and references that it might have more functionality in Longhorn.

OE doesn't do a lot of things well. It's not going to. There are a number of aspects of downloading messages from NGs that have been dissected by a number of people on the OE groups that aren't consistent and don't work well. Tom Koch's site points out a number of problems. MSFT encourages people to compact while they are on line and using their PC, and every last OE MVP has singled compacting out as one of the chief causes for a corrupt inbox and other components of OE that break.

As to ways to handle a problem that causes a workout for your eyes, both David Candy and I did a complete job of telling you how you can adjust any text size in a second that you see on the group. I'm doing what I can do for Plato's eyes. I'm posting in plain text. But Plato is going to have to use some of the buffers for getting comfortable that both David Candy and I pointed out exist because I can't troubleshoot every web page that he encounters, and when he does encounter small print, my Accessibility check mark can go along way toward helping. The display properties dialogue box can change the fonts on menus and I recommend it for anyone who wants bigger print.

"which has been explained by Kelly"--No it hasn't. Not even close. The HTMLFormatting toolbar as MSFT Press's latest book on IE/OE calls it *is part of OE/IE/XP--it is not third party.* And I read Kelly's 4 posts several times. Given that I have the two appropriate places configured on the Send tab for plain text, there is no explanation as to why I have to reset to Plain text, but I'm happy to do it.

Chad

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Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...

 

[Chad Harris]

I can make the decision as to whether I have good reason to post in HTML. On
groups with close supervision by MSFT, MSFT personnel have given a strong
argument why HTML may enhance a post as well as attachments in fact, and
that post exists now.

It's common sense--the same reason the print media, web page design, and TV
graphics use italics and bold--it's easier to read and more attractive than
plain text. That's why it's called plain. What do you and Plato do about
all the Web pages that are formatted various ways? Read your ridiculous
riot act to them?

For the third time (you didn't pay any attention to previous posts--go back
and read them--the small font came from a system restore article on Kelly's
site and I linked it. See for yourself. As I've said two previous times, I
pasted from Kelly's web page and I didn't know HTML was on.

I was explicit as to the two places on the Send tab I configured for Plain
Text. Go back and read the posts this time.

"In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the
parent's HTML from propagating"

I have been doing that well before you suggested it. Some quick context on
OE for you. It's Redmond's freebie. Their culture doesn't spend a lot of
time on it. This is also reflected in MSFT's failure to warn people the
harm they can cause from compacting while on line and that this is one of
the most common causes for OE broken or the complaints "I can't open OE" on
newsgroups. The OE MVPs point this out over and over again on the OE
newsgroups.

MSFT doesn't update OE much and they are content for it to have minimal
functionality. The newsgroup downloading menus and options are a mess and
don't work consistently and this ihas been shown repeatedly on the OE
newsgroups.

Many use it only for it's NNTP newsreader, and some use much better
newsreaders. Those people usually use Outlook because it does some things OE
should be doing but doesn't and yes I get that Outlook has richer
functionality because it's part of Redmond's primo cash cow Office.

You don't have a clue what I measure and don't.

"Which option? There many options on /Send\"

Again, go back and reread the posts. I was specific and explicit on its
face as to which of the two send options I had configured for Plain Text.

David Candy and I both explained a number of convenient options for Plato to
take if print is too small for his eyes whatever the reason. When David
mentioned over 40, I suppose the most common cause would be ciliary muscle
tone loss and presbyopia. And there are lots of ways to counter that in a
Windows OS and we named every one of them. Good ones reside at
Accessibility and Display Properties dialogue box. You can rheostat the
fonts on these newsgroup posts with the Accessibility suggestion I made, and
you can configure on the Display Properties dialogue box to control the
fonts on menus, even the listings for these newsgroups, name bar fonts,
toolbar fonts, task bar fonts, task bar buttons, and Start Menu fonts.

"Since your going to post in html with a mini font..." This would be on
point to Kelly's suggestion about a spell checker.

"Which has been explained by Kelly."

No it wasn't explained at all by Kelly. Kelly didn't touch it in any of her
four posts. Kelly referred to the "HTML Formatting toolbar in OE/IE/XP" as
"3rd party" or to quote her exactly "not native or related to XP(thus also
meaning OE" Since I know she knows exactly what it is she must have thought
we were referring to something else. That's the name that MSFT Press's
Latest *Running IE* book gives it--and it is absolutely a "native" part of
OE/IE/XP.

Chad Harris
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Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline
or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it
when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the
parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in
rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a
workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically
and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU
caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and
I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message
opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

.... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...

 

[Kelly]

Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments can be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

 

[Chad Harris]

Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned, and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call it was
showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address plain text
configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text dialogue
box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even after seeing
them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they wouldn't
contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to format and
select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I understand
from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and some additional
informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as html or cause the
bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font and you didn't do
anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into notepad.
If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what shows up as
html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd appreciate it.

Chad

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Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments can be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.