MyIE2 is now Maxthon

[Aaron]

Ah I was restricting myself to none-extensions but if you want extensions,
can Myie2 are you telling me Myie2 can do everything below?

http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions.html

In particular I would like the following search based functions

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=75294
http://conquery.mozdev.org/

And Find as you type of course which is built in anyway.

For starters.

I was playing with MyIe2 myself and trying to configure it to the way my
Firefox is. Sadly quite a few features, don't seem to be possible for
Myie2.

I think they are very comparable in terms of feature.
However, I finally switched completely to firefox because I
realized that after I put more heavy security in IE, some
security page never works well. On the other hand, using
IE/any IE shell, the security setting could be quite important
for security site. On the other hand, Firefox give me less
problems. In addition, IE really intergrate with the OS too
tightly (think about Outlook Express). I *think* it is safer
to have a seperate program to go on the internet. I
eventually set Firefox to default and use my firewall to block
or alert me when IE is going in or out.

Good decision. BTW if you need some feature that you miss from
greenbrowser, feel free to drop a note here, I'll try to point you to the
right extensions if it exists.





Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Aaron]

Maxthon is only 2.3mb without the skins. IE's 30mb of bulk does not
matter because it's part of the OS. That's why it's faster than the
stand-alone browsers.

Many Maxthon users are hoping it will go stand-alone. That would be
nice.

Go stand-alone means what? Using gecko or their own engine?

Bob

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Bob Adkins]

On 9 Jul 2004 16:22:29 GMT, Aaron

Besides with extensions Firefox far exceeds what Myie2 and do (even with
plugins), and I don't have to put up with features I don't need, that Myie2
stuffs in.

Aaron, every browser or browser shell has hundreds of features you don't
use. Why is easy to ignore the ones in Firefox, but the ones in IE are
something you must "put up with"?

Dislike of MS is a bad reason to switch, agreed. But who said it was my
reason? One might think you are clinging on to Myie2 shells as a emotional
reaction against the antiMS people though since you keep mentioning it.

No emotion here. You're the one that jumps in like your hair is on fire when
someone suggests that an IE shell may be satisfactory.

As for paranoia, that's debatable. Clearly the security expert that is Bob
thinks he knows more than CERT.

That wasn't necessary Aaron. You know I have never once pretended to be a
security expert.

I am somewhat of an expert on government agencies however. I don't trust the
expertise of any of them on anything. I use my own judgment for my own
situation. Some people cherry pick. When the government supports something
you like, they are experts. When they do not support something you like,
they are idiots.

Bob

 

[Bob Adkins]

Go stand-alone means what? Using gecko or their own engine?

Preferably their own engine, of course. If they used the Gecko engine, the
Moz haters would probably whine endlessly.

Bob

 

[Bob Adkins]

Windows XP is installed on millions of computers. Joe Sixpack whos just
bout a computer from PC World/CompUSA/whatever is most unlikely to know
about IE shells, ActiveX, VBScript or anything like that.

That was true 5 years ago. Right now, Joe 6 Pack grew up with a computer in
his bedroom and knows all about it. If not, he will soon learn!

Bob

 

[Aaron]

On 9 Jul 2004 16:22:29 GMT, Aaron



Aaron, every browser or browser shell has hundreds of features you
don't use. Why is easy to ignore the ones in Firefox, but the ones in
IE are something you must "put up with"?

The main reason is that Firefox has only a few core features specially
choosen. MyIE2 has lots which you are fond of pointing out, but many are
not used at all by most people.

No emotion here. You're the one that jumps in like your hair is on
fire when someone suggests that an IE shell may be satisfactory.

And you are the one that jumps in like your hair is on fire, when someone
sugguests that Myie2 is not satisfactory

That wasn't necessary Aaron. You know I have never once pretended to
be a security expert.

I am somewhat of an expert on government agencies however. I don't
trust the expertise of any of them on anything. I use my own judgment
for my own situation. Some people cherry pick. When the government
supports something you like, they are experts. When they do not
support something you like, they are idiots.

Who exactly are you referring to when you say "some people" ?

Bob

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Aaron]

Preferably their own engine, of course. If they used the Gecko engine,
the Moz haters would probably whine endlessly.

Are you one of them?

Anyway, I think if they used their own engine and became a full fledged
browsers, many people would whine too. As an alternative browser, it
would be slower to load up, many sites wouldn't work etc etc.

Bob

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Doc]

Certainly the spyware remover can get uninstalled. Since switching
from IE to Opera, and then Firefox, I've not had either Adaware or
Spybot find anything.

IE 5.5 and OE 5 user here .... but brighter than a 'box of rocks' ....
and I agree with Bob. AdAware and Spybot S&D find nothing here either. I
check with each once a month, just for peace of mind.

I tried Firefox 0.92 .... way slower and LESS versatile than MYIE2.
Uninstalled FF after a few hours familiarisation.

Nothing beats SAFE HEX.

 

[Doc]

snip

You've HAD to install all of the above to guarantee security. You've
HAD to alter the settings from the default out of the box ones.

And firefox users have to install loads of so called extensions and plug-
ins to gain the same sort of versatility that IE has out of the box - even
IE locked down tight. And still no guarantee of security.

 

[Libor Striz]

Preferably their own engine, of course. If they used the Gecko engine, the
Moz haters would probably whine endlessly.

Some experimental MyIE2 version had
experimental option for use Gecko engine.
I had not installed any Gecko based browser,
so I did not try it.

 

[Bob Adkins]

Who exactly are you referring to when you say "some people" ?

Hint: His name does not start with "Aa".

Bob

 

[Bob Adkins]

Are you one of them?

No. It makes no sense to hate software and whine about it. I just don't use
it.

Anyway, I think if they used their own engine and became a full fledged
browsers, many people would whine too. As an alternative browser, it
would be slower to load up, many sites wouldn't work etc etc.

Not necessarily. Just because Mozilla and Opera have problems do not mean a
new engine would have those problems.

So! You admit the criticisms of Firefox are justified!

Bob

 

[Bob Adkins]

Some experimental MyIE2 version had
experimental option for use Gecko engine.
I had not installed any Gecko based browser,
so I did not try it.

Maxthon still has that feature. When I check the option, the checkmark stays
there, but I don't notice any difference. Apparently it does not recognize
my Firefox install.

Bob

 

[Aaron]

No. It makes no sense to hate software and whine about it. I just don't use
it.

Could have fooled me.

Not necessarily. Just because Mozilla and Opera have problems do not mean a
new engine would have those problems.

So you say, but every other none-IE browser is in exactly the same
situation. So everyone is incompetent except for Bloodchen should he decide
to create his own engine? You must be a dreamer.

So! You admit the criticisms of Firefox are justified!

Well they are critisms of every other browser except IE actually, so it's
not just Firefox. As you know IE has an advanatage over other browsers in
terms of loading up, no one ever denies that. But that advantage is
diminishing and against that you must stack it up against the other
advantages of IE, slower to render webpages, insecure etc.

The only reason why your beloved MYIE2 escapes is because it is based off
IE. Another reason why Myie2 is based off IE is important!

You want Bloodchen to move away from IE, be prepared then for all the cons
of such a approach.

 

[Aaron]

snip

And firefox users have to install loads of so called extensions and plug-
ins to gain the same sort of versatility that IE has out of the box - even
IE locked down tight.

Really? Which features are you talking about?

 

[Rod]

Actually looking at the current thread, I don't see anything close.
In fact, the only one talking about imaginary MS bashers are the
people who are using Internet explorer.

Browse the WWW and you'll see different. But you're right. Not much bashing
in this thread.

No active scripting at all? Okay you are fairly safe, but that
cripples quite a lot of sites.

I don't visit a lot of sites .

Rod

 

[Bob Adkins]

Really? Which features are you talking about?

Firefox doesn't have about half of the features seen here.

http://www.maxthon.com/en/features.htm

The flexible "Group" features are not even mentioned, which is my favorite
feature of all. 1 click opens several of my favorite tabs/pages. Another
click closes all of them and opens up another group of tabs/pages in another
category. This feature is priceless, and works well only in Maxthon.

Bob

 

[Rod]

Rod,

The bottom line is, you can not be totally safe. Every time a
security hole is plugged, it's a big challenge to some 14 year old
hacker.

Too much security is a burden and a hindrance that few are willing to
live with, and impractical for casual users. The best compromise is
to use reasonable protection just as you are doing. It's also very
smart to not keep anything sensitive or illegal on your computer. An
external drive with hot docking ability is great for running your
financial programs. Hitting the off switch on the broadband modem is
the ultimate protection. It's like taking the keys out of the car,
only better.

Well, I don't do anything money-involved on my pc, call me oldfashioned, I
prefer to use a pen when it comes to letting money dissapear. My OS is paid
for, the rest of the software is all freeware (it's great to be here ),
so softwarewise nothing illegal here. And allthough I wouldn't want to
publish it on the net, there is nothing really personal or sensitive about
the data on my pc. If someone wants it, they can bore themselves to death
going through it.

Rod

 

[Rod]

Three of my clients have been hit with diallers. One racked up a bill
of over $1,000 Canadian, another over $400 and the last over $200.
It's dificult/impossible to determine if these and the other
infestations they harboured came from IE/OE exploits, lack of a
firewall or in e-mails.

This sounds like it's fair to determine they had a lack of interest and/or
knowhow in securing their system.

Rod

 

[Rod]

Firefox doesn't have about half of the features seen here.

http://www.maxthon.com/en/features.htm

The flexible "Group" features are not even mentioned, which is my
favorite feature of all. 1 click opens several of my favorite
tabs/pages. Another click closes all of them and opens up another
group of tabs/pages in another category. This feature is priceless,
and works well only in Maxthon.

Bob

That's a must-have for me, but I thought I saw something similar in Firefox.
I know Opera has it, allthough not 'priceless' as it is shareware.

Rod