J
Jeff Needle
What a slimy pack of bastards. A quick google of "thinkall scam" shows you
Yup, saw that one. Just incredible.
Yup, saw that one. Just incredible.
J
Jeff Needle
Good idea -- thanks!
I
In_Parentheses
Jeff,
Don't resign, I'd add my complaint to the (growing) list as well... The
funny thing about all this is that seem to be in business since early
this year; before that no mentioning of them. MNust be a "Get Rich, The
Fast Way" scheme!
I
In_Parentheses
I like Lou's idea. if a few of the ACF-subscribers could pull together
and make a compilation of the information found on this company, then
each of them in turn would post the message, let's say once a week! If
you want to do it this way: Count me in!
C
Chris Lee
Basically, under the GPL people can sue you under Federal and
International copyright laws for screwing around with GPL software.
C
Chris Lee
Wrong. The GPL license has *NOTHING TO DO WITH OPEN SOURCE* licenses.
They are two and compleatly diffrent things.
C
Chris Lee
[email protected] said:
Wrong again. You're confusing freeware which consits of giving you a
package to install and run,especially where PC's running Windows and Macs
are concerned, with the Free Software/Open Source movement where you
can get the source code as well or sometimes JUST the source code.
J
John Corliss
Jeff said:
If contacting the software authors doesn't work, maybe a complaint to
the FTC:
http://www.ftc.gov/
will get some action, even if THINK ALL is outside of the U.S. But I
don't think the company is foreign located because I was able to find
this inclusion in item 13 of their TOU (asterisks added for emphasis):
"These terms shall be governed by and construed in accordance with
applicable federal law and the laws of the State of *Texas*, without
giving effect to any principles of conflicts of law. You agree that any
action at law or in equity arising out of or relating to these terms or
the products, services, software or web site shall be filed only in the
courts in and for *Plano, Collin County, Texas* and you hereby consent
and submit to the personal jurisdiction of such courts for the purposes
of litigating any such action."
Perhaps contacting the closest BBB to Plano, TX will lead to more info.
I also found this site:
http://www.insidetxbiz.com/adminnm/templates/databeat.asp?articleid=760&zoneid=10
where this is listed:
Think All Publishing LLC, 5700 Granite Pkwy #200, 75024, Think All
Publishing LLC, Frisco, 511210
and this one:
http://forum.worldstart.com/showthread.php?t=88011
where this address is given:
THINK ALL PUBLISHING, PO BOX 462009, GARLAND TX 75046, 800-462-8144
I think the second one is current.
I'm convinced that their terms are far too obfuscated in that they are
listed under "Terms of Use". Terms of Use of what? That phrase isn't a
description of the "Terms of Purchase".
In the mean time, since THINK ALL may be violating the EULAs of some of
the programs they offer, perhaps complaints to the program authors might
be in order. Also, one to THINK All's website host may be in order:
mailto:[email protected]
since this would be a clear violation of that host's TOS.
This all reminds me of the old record clubs, but at least they made it
clear what you were getting into. Heck, I even joined a couple because
their records were so cheap. Never really had a problem with any of
those companies. This business though, seems to be out to trick people,
so I think the FTC needs to know what they're up to.
By the way, check out this page:
https://www.thinkall.com/news.php
I think I'm going to puke.
--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.
?
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=
You might want to e-mail the Open Source Initiative and have them
"correct" their website, then.
<http://opensource.org/licenses/index.php>
J
Jeff Needle
Gosh, I guess I don't know the difference. How is GPL different
Thanks. I wonder how often this happens.
Thanks. I wonder how often this happens.
A
Al Klein
NONSENSE!
I've released tons of freeware over the years without ever making the
source available.
A
Al Klein
A
Al Klein
<news[email protected]>:
Free software is software for which there is no price, not software
you're free to do what you want with. The latter is called "public
domain", and most freeware is *NOT* in the public domain.
A
Al Klein
Plano is a suburb of Dallas, if that helps you find anything.
....
So is Garland.
A
Al Klein
Doesn't the GPL require that the source be made available?
?
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=
I wasn't talking about freeware, but rather free software. There are
links to info about free software elsewhere in the thread, if you're
interested.
?
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=
That's not what free software is. See my response to your "NONSENSE!"
post in this thread.
A
Al Klein
Free <x> means that you can legally obtain <x> with no payment. Stop
reinventing English.
?
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=
There are more than one meaning for the adjective "free" in English.
E.g., Merriam-Webster doesn't get to the one you seem insistent on
until it's given nine others. I can't find a dictionary that puts it
above seventh place, but I only looked at a few.
Cute. Stop misusing the term "free software".
C
Chris Lee
Why bother? The Open Source Initiative has *NOTHING* to do with
the GPL.
The people responsible for the GPL is the FSF (Free Software Foundation)
whom pretty much has nothing to do with the Open Source Initiative.
If you Windows types want to comment about Free and Open Source Software,
you'ld better had first learn just who and what the players are.