M$ drops support for security essentials in xp

[Todd]

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...-233721?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-01-08

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help

end-of-support Web page now states, "Microsoft will
also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials
for download on Windows XP on this date."

Hmmm. No more support for the worst AV in the business.
Go figure.

 

[philo]

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...-233721?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-01-08


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help

end-of-support Web page now states, "Microsoft will
also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials
for download on Windows XP on this date."

Hmmm. No more support for the worst AV in the business.
Go figure.

I am curious if existing installations of XP that have MSE installed
will still be able to get updates for it,

If not there are still free virus checkers out there...but it looks like
XP will be on it's way out.

 

[BillW50]

I am curious if existing installations of XP that have MSE installed
will still be able to get updates for it,

If not there are still free virus checkers out there...but it looks like
XP will be on it's way out.

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.

 

[philo]

On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:
y out.

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.

I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1

That said, I do volunteer work for an NPO and need to support their
machines as best as possible. I have been upgrading the HW and
converting to Win7 wherever possible. Any machine that can not be
upgrading will eventually be phased out.

 

[BillW50]

I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1

That said, I do volunteer work for an NPO and need to support their
machines as best as possible. I have been upgrading the HW and
converting to Win7 wherever possible. Any machine that can not be
upgrading will eventually be phased out.

I've seen Windows v1 once, but I don't recall much of it. I stayed away
from Windows until 3.1. Previously I was using DOS and GEOS. And my all
time favorite Windows is XP, although I hated it until XP SP2. I bought
a lot of spare XP machines before you couldn't get them anymore. So I
shouldn't have to worry about XP fading away here anytime soon. ;-)

 

[philo]

I've seen Windows v1 once, but I don't recall much of it. I stayed away
from Windows until 3.1. Previously I was using DOS and GEOS. And my all
time favorite Windows is XP, although I hated it until XP SP2. I bought
a lot of spare XP machines before you couldn't get them anymore. So I
shouldn't have to worry about XP fading away here anytime soon. ;-)

I have more XP machines that I will ever use.


I have been thinning out my collection but I have at least one each of
everything going all the way back to the 8088 and even before...
such as a Kaypro.

My favorite machine is a Zenith Data Systems 286


I got an after market ISA, RAM extension card from a 386
that works in the Zenith and I have 16 megs of RAM in there.
That's the maximum a 286 can address.


It came with 512k of discrete memory chips.


Though at the time a 286 was manufactured it would not have been
impossible to have 16 megs of RAM...to buy enough discrete memory chips
to come up with 16 megs probably would have cost $50k I'd guess.

 

[Jon Danniken]

On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:
y out.


I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1

I still have Win v1.04 around here on a floppy, which I used on my
PS2/25 at the time. I didn't see what the big fuss was, and preferred
using DOS.

Jon

 

[Todd]

Is MSE that bad? I thought it was supposed to be good.

MSE is used as the "base line" for the worst AV over on
av-comparatives.org.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:
y out.


I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1

I never ran Windows 1.0, but I ran 2.0. The floppies for it are long
gone, however.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I have more XP machines that I will ever use.


I have been thinning out my collection but I have at least one each of
everything going all the way back to the 8088 and even before...
such as a Kaypro.

Are all of these out on a table somewhere, where they are usable? That
would take up a lot of space!

Or do you just keep them stored in a closet or something like that?

 

[philo]

Are all of these out on a table somewhere, where they are usable? That
would take up a lot of space!

Or do you just keep them stored in a closet or something like that?

As long as I don't clutter up the house my wife does not complain...so
some are up on the attic and some in the basement and a few are stashed
away in the back of a closet.

In addition to the Zenith Data Systems...another favorite is an IBM PS/2

they sure don't make them like that anymore!

 

[philo]

I never ran Windows 1.0, but I ran 2.0. The floppies for it are long
gone, however.

I started with Win95 then worked /backwards/.

Though I started out in the punch cards days...but between 1982 and 1999
I stayed as far away from computers as possible. In 1999 my (now) wife
gave me her old P-1 with Win95.

After I figured out (slightly) what I was doing...I then had to go back
and learn all that I had missed during the 17 years I had been away.

A friend of mine rented space in a warehouse and the owner wanted to get
rid of a bunch of junk computers...so I picked up a truckload of 8088's
through 386's and took them apart and put them back together and learned
DOS and Win3x and even got a look at Win3.0 Win1 Win2 NT3.1 OS/2
....you name it.

Eventually I felt confident enough to move /forward/. Upgraded the P-1
as far as I could take it and dual booted Win98 and Red Hat 5.2 Linux
for quite a few years.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

As long as I don't clutter up the house my wife does not complain...so
some are up on the attic and some in the basement and a few are stashed
away in the back of a closet.

My house must be smaller than yours--no attic and no basement. And
even if I had computers in a closet, my wife would complain.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On 01/09/2014 12:03 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:



I started with Win95 then worked /backwards/.

Though I started out in the punch cards days...but between 1982 and 1999
I stayed as far away from computers as possible. In 1999 my (now) wife
gave me her old P-1 with Win95.

I also started out in the punched card days--in 1962, as a programmer
on an IBM 1401. My first PC was around 1983, on an IBM XP clone,
running DOS 3.0.

I've run every version of Windows except for 1.0, server versions
other than WHS, NT versions before 2000, and Windows Me. And I started
running each version almost as soon as it came out (with recent
versions, even before they were available in the retail market).

 

[philo]

On 01/09/2014 03:39 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

My house must be smaller than yours--no attic and no basement. And
even if I had computers in a closet, my wife would complain.

My wife cannot complain too much as it was her fault I got interested in
computers.

If she talks me into moving to some place warm such as Arizona...
most of the houses there don't have attics or basements so all my stuff
will have to go. She is not too happy that the cold weather does not
bother me too much.

 

[Good Guy]

I am curious if existing installations of XP that have MSE installed
will still be able to get updates for it,

If not there are still free virus checkers out there...but it looks like
XP will be on it's way out.

For practical purposes you can say XP has already passed its "sale by
date" or its "shelf-life". You don't get new software packages for XP.
Adobe doesn't support XP on its Creative Cloud products.

 

[Good Guy]

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.

what can you do on Windows 3.1 these days? Are you still using
Wordprefect for DOS and Lotus 1-2-3 on it? There isn't much you can do
on it. I doubt if you can get online on it because dial=up is already
out in the UK. BT have stopped their dial-up service.

 

[philo]

I also started out in the punched card days--in 1962, as a programmer
on an IBM 1401. My first PC was around 1983, on an IBM XP clone,
running DOS 3.0.

I've run every version of Windows except for 1.0, server versions
other than WHS, NT versions before 2000, and Windows Me. And I started
running each version almost as soon as it came out (with recent
versions, even before they were available in the retail market).

I have at least fooled with all versions of Windows except server.


My wife and I do volunteer work and I am an authorized Microsoft
refurbisher. Until recently I have taken on the responsibility of
keeping all their machines running and updated.


A little over a year ago, they "hired out" a local outfit to re-do their
network and setup a server. The firm was to cover all problems for the
first year...but they never seemed to get around to fixing much.
When the contract ran out...they quoted $18k a year to renew it!

This is a small non-profit organization running on a tight budget and
cannot afford that kind of money. They had to audacity to suggest they
let an employee go in order to come up with the $18k !

At this point they asked me if I could expand my volunteer services.

There are 25 machines on the domain but really...only six of them are
critical.


I know better than to work on something I'm not familiar with but
figured no harm in just having a look.


1) The UPS was considerably undersized and the server was not even
plugged in to the battery-protected outlet! I got that squared away.

2) No Windows updates had been applied in six months...plus the security
software had expired! Got that fixed.

3) Non-optimal drivers for the backup drives! Fixed that too.


Little by little I'm learning.

 

[philo]

what can you do on Windows 3.1 these days? Are you still using
Wordprefect for DOS and Lotus 1-2-3 on it? There isn't much you can do
on it. I doubt if you can get online on it because dial=up is already
out in the UK. BT have stopped their dial-up service.

Not that long ago a friend of mine wanted me to look at his father's
computer. He was trying to see if he could get him on-line.


I went there and the guy was using a 486 and the DOS version of Word
Perfect.


He said he did not want to go on-line. He only wanted a word processor
and he knew how to use the one he had. He want to change anything.

 

[philo]

For practical purposes you can say XP has already passed its "sale by
date" or its "shelf-life". You don't get new software packages for XP.
Adobe doesn't support XP on its Creative Cloud products.

The NPO basically just uses the machines to run "Office" ...
not too much of the new technology is needed...but I am phasing out
their XP machines and phasing in Win7 machines. They will still have
some past April 14 so I want to do the best I can for them.