Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

[Frank]

You wouldn't get very far in any math quiz since you can't get past 20
even with you barefoot. Just face facts Frankie, you're an idiot and
everybody knows it.

At least I don't have to resort to counting the pimples on my ass like
you do...you moron!
Frank

 

[Mr. Arnold]

"The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'"

You are trying to change the subject again. Did you forget to take your
ADD medication this morning?

The mob needs tar-and-feather and run you out of town too, because you're
nothing but a troll.

 

[Stephan Rose]

You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
Google him, if you know how.
Otherwise STFU!!!

Actually frank, it would be difficult to find a post where Alias mentions
Ubuntu come to think of it.

99% of all his posts are you and him going back and forth at each other



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[Robert Moir]

The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
probably wasn't pro vista.

So you're saying you can talk about whatever you like as long as you're "Pro
Vista"?

I hope we don't get visited by a group of Vista loving pig infertility
clinic technicians, that's all I can say.

 

[Leythos]

It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.

But you need to consider that until the last few years, most home users
were unable to install Linux because there was no simple setup GUI and
most hardware was not supported.

As Linux becomes more "home user friendly" it will be exposed more and
more and more - this is what will show just how stupid users really are,
and it will put Linux in the same boat as Windows when it comes to
stupid things people do that compromise systems.

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[Leythos]

It's amazing how people like you just jump on the band wagon and show that
you haven't even read the article.

If you think Linux has been actually "cracked" then site an instance. Anyone
can site and try over and over, or evne run an pllication that permutates
over every combination, and/or runs through a dictionary file. I hardly call
that "cracking"... most would call that a admin asleep at the helm.

Um, you didn't understand what I wrote - I use Windows and Linux and
enjoy both, but, it clearly shows how ignorant users can compromise a
system. The fault of a bad password is the same fault that windows users
suffer, complete incompetence and ignorance.

This clearly shows that a Linux box, under use/control by ignorant
users, can be compromised, and it's just that simple.

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
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[Leythos]

You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
Google him, if you know how.
Otherwise STFU!!!
Frank

There are hundreds of posts where Alias suggests Ubuntu or Open Office
as the solution to anyones problems with Microsoft. It's nice to see you
get nasty when you've failed, shows your level of maturity to the world.

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[Curtis D. Levin]

It can, but it's not so much Linux but either bad software or improperly
configured software. Again, that is a sizable difference when you compare
to all the security flaws at Window's core, which includes IE (ever since
they integrated it into Explorer back in Win 98.) Just look at how many
exploits are found at the _core_ and sometimes patches are then released
to try to fix them and sometimes new one arises. Problems at the core
problems are generally not an issue in Linux, but rather the different
softwares that run with in.

Yeah, and it was indeed an issue back then, especially with netscape.

IIRC, they got taken to court over that. But the biggest part of it
was that there was a lot of bad blood over it. Microsoft's point
was that it would be easier to use. But everyone cried monopoly.

SO Microsoft wanted to do something different. In the long
run, I think they accomplished what they set out to do, albeit
with some setbacks. But there's motive there. Impossible for me
to believe that there aren't dark forces at work against MS
and Vista even today. Serious programmers, not just hackers,
reverse engineering the code, looking for flaws, and/or creating
them even if they didn't exist. Criminal acts entirely. But no matter
what, Microsoft was the bad guy then.

Funny how things change.

Bottom line, security patches help, doing your job as a system's
administrator is even better. There just sin't any substitute for that
imho.

That's the truest statement I've read in this thread so far.

Curtis

 

[HeyBub]

The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy

And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post
accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.

I didn't 'complain,' I simply observed. And asked a question.

In my view, complaing about an OT post is, by definition, off-topic.

 

[Stephan Rose]

But you need to consider that until the last few years, most home users
were unable to install Linux because there was no simple setup GUI and
most hardware was not supported.

As Linux becomes more "home user friendly" it will be exposed more and
more and more - this is what will show just how stupid users really are,
and it will put Linux in the same boat as Windows when it comes to
stupid things people do that compromise systems.

That is one thing I gotta agree with. You can't protect *any* operating
system against a user that willingly agrees to or attempts to destroy it. =)

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[Mike]

It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.

Which is why Windows dominates (and OS X is gaining users) and Linux is
still going nowhere after 10 years of "This year is the year of LOTD!".
Linux is still for geeks and servers. People don't want/need to know
"how their computer works" any more than they want/need to know how
their TV, cell phone or microwave oven works. They just want to turn
it on and use it.

Mike

 

[Jerry White]

Gave up already huh?

On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end, which
you refuse to produce.

 

[Clenna Lumina]

Sorry pal, but that's not root or super administrator and that's what I'm
talking about.

In Vista it is. Even if it's not 100% super user, anytime you can do
administrative tasks by just answering "yes" when it asks you if you want to
proceed, then it might as well be. The same damage can be done, so what's
the difference. For the record, I was at bestbuy this morning and several
brands were in fact running as a user in the administrators group.

 

[keepout]

That is one thing I gotta agree with. You can't protect *any* operating
system against a user that willingly agrees to or attempts to destroy it. =)

You really need to quit quoting Gates. [64k ram should be enough for anyone].
FWIW: The Commodore 64 system was safe against any and all threats.
You turned it off, and the problems gone, never to return.
There was 1 failed attempt to infect the C= 64's.

 

[Frank]

On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end, which
you refuse to produce.

hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
friend is my response.
Live with it!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Actually frank, it would be difficult to find a post where Alias mentions
Ubuntu come to think of it.

99% of all his posts are you and him going back and forth at each other

Really...?
Try harder, you'll be very surprised.
Frank

 

[Stephan Rose]

Which is why Windows dominates (and OS X is gaining users) and Linux is
still going nowhere after 10 years of "This year is the year of LOTD!".
Linux is still for geeks and servers. People don't want/need to know
"how their computer works" any more than they want/need to know how
their TV, cell phone or microwave oven works. They just want to turn
it on and use it.

If you want to go by that then *any* operating system that doesn't come
pre-installed (note the keyword there) is only for geeks and servers.

To install an OS requires a person to know how their computer works else
they wouldn't know what drivers to install, how to configure it, and so
on. That applies to any version of Windows as much as it applies to Linux
or any other operating system.

I mean why (among other potential reasons) do you think people like Dell
and HP use "restore disks/partitions" instead of giving people the
software on individual CDs? The majority of people wouldn't be able to
reinstall and configure everything manually, windows or not.

So really, it boils down to that for the masses, the system needs to come
pre-installed, pre-configured and ready to use. At that point in time, any
system that comes with an OS in that needs, no matter what said OS may be,
is going to work for the user as long as the software available for said
OS meets all the users needs.

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[Stephan Rose]

Really...?
Try harder, you'll be very surprised.
Frank

haha, I don't need to. I'm quite aware of his posts. But still, your two's
fighting still by far outnumbers his ubuntu posts. =)

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[Jerry White]

hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
friend is my response.

Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
burden of proof is on you.

 

[Jerry White]

But you need to consider that until the last few years, most home users
were unable to install Linux because there was no simple setup GUI and
most hardware was not supported.

Plenty of hardware was supported, just not always in a direct way. As far as
setting it up, it actually required that you knew what you were doing, which
in some ways was not such a bad thing. I'd like ot see more people educated
in how to actually use computers rather than the hords of ignorants you have
today.

As Linux becomes more "home user friendly" it will be exposed more and
more and more - this is what will show just how stupid users really are,
and it will put Linux in the same boat as Windows when it comes to
stupid things people do that compromise systems.

You still don't understand that the article didn't "expose" any thing in
Linux itself. It only exposed what happens when admins don't do thier job,
which is true of any OS.