Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

[Clenna Lumina]

Which is why Windows dominates (and OS X is gaining users) and Linux is
still going nowhere after 10 years of "This year is the year of LOTD!".

You must be living in an old abandoned mine if you really think Linux gone
no where. It has bene continuually growing over the years and has gotten
beter and more and more people have switched to it (partly due to Vista no
doubt.)

Linux is still for geeks and servers.

It's used for servers a plenty, but its no logner *just* for thme so stop
trying to portray your clouded vision as reality, because it's far from it.

People don't want/need to know "how their computer works" any more
than they want/need to know how their TV, cell phone or microwave
oven works. They just want to turn it on and use it.

Computers and typical house hold applicances are two differnt breeds of
animals. In computers, to really do anything useful, you must know what you
are doing. Becasue of Windows, you have hords of clueless morons who
continuely whine to tech support lines and can't even describe their
problem.

why *shouldn't* computer users have *some* education so they aren't just
utter clueless? One should have at least a basic idea of how things work in
order to use it.

 

[Frank]

Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
burden of proof is on you.

Google! Got it?
Google! Got it?
Google! Got it?
Frank

 

[Frank]

You must be living in an old abandoned mine if you really think Linux gone
no where. It has bene continuually growing over the years and has gotten
beter and more and more people have switched to it (partly due to Vista no
doubt.)

Bullsh*t!
Frank

 

[Jerry White]

Google! Got it?
Google! Got it?
Google! Got it?

Cite a link! Got it?

 

[Jerry White]

Bullsh*t!

In what way?

 

[Jerry White]

Really...?
Try harder, you'll be very surprised.

I haven't been able to find any posts of his mentioning "Ubuntu was the
savior of the world"...

you see to be havign trouble with the concept of burdern of proof... you say
he said it, then CITE AN EXAMPLE.

 

[Jerry White]

There are hundreds of posts where Alias suggests Ubuntu or Open Office
as the solution to anyones problems with Microsoft. It's nice to see you
get nasty when you've failed, shows your level of maturity to the world.

That's not the same as "Ubuntu was the savior of the world" as Frank
claimed. I've heard people in this group (possible Alias) say the Open
Office is a viable alternative, and similar with Ubuntu or other Linux
flavors. Whats wrong with that?

 

[Clenna Lumina]

Um, you didn't understand what I wrote - I use Windows and Linux and
enjoy both, but, it clearly shows how ignorant users can compromise a
system. The fault of a bad password is the same fault that windows users
suffer, complete incompetence and ignorance.

True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things
happen.

 

[Leythos]

True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things
happen.

And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that
happen.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[keepout]

I mean why (among other potential reasons) do you think people like Dell
and HP use "restore disks/partitions" instead of giving people the
software on individual CDs?

Money. Despite the fact that a CD in bulk probably doesn't run more than $0.10 to produce. That's $0.10 that goes into Dell and HP's pocket.
And when it totally craps out the user will have to buy a CD on their dime for $$$.$$.
Not the ten cents it would have cost Dell or HP to include with the machines.

 

[Clenna Lumina]

And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that
happen.

So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because
Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You
don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it
grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the
moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they
are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the
less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long
unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing
in the long run.

 

[Leythos]

So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because
Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You
don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it
grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the
moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they
are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the
less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long
unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing
in the long run.

And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
ignorant people more and more each day.

What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
the overall OS issue.

So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Frank]

Cite a link! Got it?

Are you brain dead or what?
Google...GOT IT!
hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!
Frank

 

[Clenna Lumina]

And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
ignorant people more and more each day.

Only for basic tasks, but for anything more advanced it almost forces you to
learn more. Those who cannot learn will either just do basic things like web
and email (and likely not do the inital install themselves and other such
things that actually require some minimal knowldge), or they will stick with
Windows. In fact, the majority of people I see trying out Linux are either
"power users" who want to test it out (usually either no a spare or in a
virtual machine) or the clueless people who know little about what's going
on and just buy the newest version becasue that's what Microsoft tells them
to do with all that advertising.

What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
the overall OS issue.

If a particular distobution of Linux is proven it have serious flaw than it
will suffer. At least linux has a rock solid core. It's what ever extra
stuff a given distrobution that could cause problems, and not the kernel
itself. That's the big difference I see between Linux and Windows.

So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you
are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that
rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and
messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista
was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential
threats, etc.

Be it staying with XP or going Linux, either seems a better route than
Vista, which doesn't really bring anything new to the table. If a Linux
distrobution can be made so both advanced and no so advanced people can use
it, then that would be great. From what I've seen so far, I see no reason to
believe it's not already on that route.

 

[Adam Albright]

Are you brain dead or what?
Google...GOT IT!
hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!
Frank

More proof Frankie numbnuts is just an idiot, liar and screw-up.

 

[Curtis D. Levin]

And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
ignorant people more and more each day.

What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
the overall OS issue.

So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

My only question is, "Who is actully responsible for Linux?" Linus writes
the kernel, others write drivers, the GNU tools, etc, ad nauseum, but where
does the buck actually stop? If they change things, break stuff ( Like what
happened with Vista) who does something about it? Who do you complain
to? Hey, if I buy the software pre loaded in a computer, and something
happens, or isn't working , what can I do, when I call the manufacturer,
and they say " Well, as soon as the ice melts, and the penguin is out..."

Doesn't make much sense to me to use it anymore. Like I said, when
it was really free, it was something... back in 1995 or so...

But then, the competition was DOS, and 32 bit systems were new.
*nix had an edge then. Not so much anymore. We'll see.

I miss Os/2.

Curtis

 

[Jerry White]

Are you brain dead or what?
Google...GOT IT!
hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!

So you have no evidence to cite then. One just need to check your posting
history to be sure of that.

GoAT

 

[Adam Albright]

And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
ignorant people more and more each day.

Well then if "they" whoever the hell that's suppose to be keeps
dumbing down interfaces then finally you and Frank, two of the most
clueless and ignorant bozos currently posting to this newsgroup I've
seen maybe you two some day will be able to learn how to use a
computer to maybe if you're lucky type your name in Notepad and manage
to save the file and be able to get it back on the third or fourth
try.

What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
the overall OS issue.

So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

I haven't seen anything more stupid than the two idiots named Frank
and Leythos flapping their gums pretending to be computer experts.
Damn funny show boys, keep it up.

Hint: Neither of you losers known sh*t about computers or software or
any OS in particular. You faking that you do no doubt has many rolling
on the floor in bouts of uncontrolled laughter. You know nothing. Not
a damn thing. Nada, zip. Anybody reading the slop you two idiots write
understands that perfectly.

 

[Leythos]

Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you
are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that
rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and
messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista
was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential
threats, etc.

I'm not stuck on it, but, having used Ubuntu and found many issues, I
don't see where the non-technical user is going to be much better off
with it. Sure, as long as they only do what is included, never try and
do anything else, as long as they never learn the word ROOT, they might
just be OK for the basics, but, as with everything, more than enough
non-technical users will break things and that will lead to exploits
being used...

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Adam Albright]

I'm not stuck on it, but, having used Ubuntu and found many issues, I
don't see where the non-technical user is going to be much better off
with it. Sure, as long as they only do what is included, never try and
do anything else, as long as they never learn the word ROOT, they might
just be OK for the basics, but, as with everything, more than enough
non-technical users will break things and that will lead to exploits
being used...

This newsgroup was already infested with no nothing blowhards before
you showed up to add to the noise level. Why are you here pissing into
the wind?