Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

[Leythos]

How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
they claim.

My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
information about Linux after a week.

You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
zealotry in the OS.

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[The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly]

Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
they claim.

What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer
posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't
know about or something?

And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP
not reply to a post that made that claim?

So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in
this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...

Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a
subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed
another poster out of the group for.

My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
information about Linux after a week.

You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
zealotry in the OS.

If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to
address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

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[Jerry White]

Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme memory
loss.
Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that reference
from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
Frank

I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
provide proof or piss off.

 

[Jerry White]

No, not really. Super root/super admin is disabled by default in all
installs of Vista.

Sorry, but no it's not. I've seen many OEM systems from the store that run
with admin priviliages. Go to your local Bestbuy or other store with display
computers and try a few out, you may be suprised.

 

[Leythos]

What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer
posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't
know about or something?

Because this is a PUBLIC group read all over the world and some people
may fall for the zealotry mantra of the ignorant.

And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP
not reply to a post that made that claim?

No idea, many people don't feel the need to reply.

So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in
this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...

Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a
subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed
another poster out of the group for.

LOL - Alias left, if he left, because he lost what ever motivated him to
spout discontent and anything anti-MS like he's been doing for years.

If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to
address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

So stop trolling then.

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[Jerry White]

I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
that the masses with Windows have.

It was "rooted" at all. Someone just brute forced their way in. Trying
combination after combination (probably root + a generated password, etc etc
etc etc...) until they got in. Anyone watching the logs would of caught onto
this quickly.

The problem wasn't Linux at all, it was lack of admins paying attention. Get
over it.

 

[Wayne Poe]

Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
they claim.

The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

 

[Leythos]

Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread
to a group it wasn't part of.

Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

And you've changed the thread to include:
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?
Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.

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[Wayne Poe]

The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
probably wasn't pro vista.

The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
bulletproof.

For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security
problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier
jobs. That's a world of a difference.

 

[Leythos]

The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.

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[The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly]

The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

So how is this not off topic?

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[The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly]

Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread
to a group it wasn't part of.

Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

And you've changed the thread to include:
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?
Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.

You are trying to change the subject again. Did you forget to take your
ADD medication this morning?

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[The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly]

And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.

You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

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[Curtis D. Levin]

The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was
clueless admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in.
Just how often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows,
hmmm?

Ah, but clueless admins are a security problem, because the
machines they administer were attacking others. By others,
I would wager that it was probably us.

In the amateur service ( ham radio ) you are held liable for
what it is your station does. Too bad the internet isn't
regulated the same way. Imagine being held responsible for
someone using your stuff wrong. Might keep you on your toes.

Curtis

 

[Frank]

I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
provide proof or piss off.

hahaha...try harder you moron!
Frank

 

[Leythos]

You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

Because you are a zealot complaining for other zealots to jump in and
defend your BS position. Alias made a point of always being negative and
suggesting that Ubuntu was the savior of the world, which any non-Zealot
that uses linux would know is a lie. The MVP's don't make a effort to
distrup the groups like others do.

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[Leythos]

You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

How about you clean up your act before you start complaining about
others. You added the windowsxp.general group to this thread without
notice, for no good reason, to stir up more crap.



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[Curtis D. Levin]

For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security
problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier
jobs. That's a world of a difference.

Not to me it isn't. Their machines were attacking others. That, is
a security problem, by every definition of the word.

If someone else other than them is expected to do something
about it, then what's the point? They manned up and said that
they didn't apply the patches. That's their fault. MS makes it
easy. Microsoft update. Every day. Not so stupid now.

Linux is good. Don't get me wrong. But it is fallible too.
Anyone who reads cert.org can tell you that. Luckily, most
people who know how to do bad things don't do them to
linux as frequently as they do them to us. Doesn't mean it
can't be done. It can.

Curtis

 

[Frank]

Sorry, but no it's not. I've seen many OEM systems from the store that run
with admin priviliages. Go to your local Bestbuy or other store with display
computers and try a few out, you may be suprised.

BS!
I've yet to see any Dell, HP or Toshiba OEM's with Administrator
(Computer Management/Local Users and Groups/Users/Administrator) enabled.
Try again.
Frank

 

[HeyBub]

How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

Hypocrisy gets a bad rap.

There's nothing wrong with being a hypocrite; the sign that says: "This way
to Chicago" doesn't actually GO to Chicago.