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[omega]

_omega_, giovedì 16/dic/2004:


Please see this pic:

http://fido.altervista.org/tmp/folderProperties.png

Is that what I should see?

Thank you for the picture. It answers my question about whether XP gives the
S attrib checkbox. It does look absent.

What happens if you open a CMD box to get a list of directories that have
an S attribute?

DIR c:\ /s /b /asd

I'm focussing on the S attribute theory only. I'm aware that "system
folders" can have other meanings too. And even that some details in
other meanings might be different in XP/NTSF compared to 9X/FAT32. If
some factor there is involved in the Iomega prog's limitation, then I'll
have to wait out explanation. Just for now, I am curious on the S attrib
singly.


.. . . .
PS. Another reason I appreciate the pic you uploaded. The Italian form
made Windows look notably more classy than it does normally. Also, in
Italian, for me, then maybe some of its dumber messages wouldn't be so
irritating.

 

[MLC]

_omega_, giovedì 16/dic/2004:

Thank you for the picture. It answers my question about whether XP gives the
S attrib checkbox. It does look absent.

What happens if you open a CMD box to get a list of directories that have
an S attribute?

DIR c:\ /s /b /asd

It outputs a very long list, containing

c:\Documents and Settings
c:\Programmi
c:\RECYCLER
c:\WINDOWS

and a lot of their subdirectories.
If you want a complete list it would be better to output it to a text file.
My DOS skills are almost gone, however could the command be
DIR c:\ /s /b /asd >folders.txt ?

If you confirm it and are interested I'll do it.

. . . .
PS. Another reason I appreciate the pic you uploaded. The Italian form
made Windows look notably more classy than it does normally. Also, in
Italian, for me, then maybe some of its dumber messages wouldn't be so
irritating.

I vouch for their dumbness in Italian too!

 

[omega]

_omega_, giovedì 16/dic/2004:


It outputs a very long list, containing

c:\Documents and Settings
c:\Programmi
c:\RECYCLER
c:\WINDOWS

and a lot of their subdirectories.
If you want a complete list it would be better to output it to a text file.
My DOS skills are almost gone, however could the command be
DIR c:\ /s /b /asd >folders.txt ?

Yep, that would be the command for complete output to text list. But
probably not needed to settle this one question. I'm wondering about
the folders you've given. Can the Iomega program see "Programmi" or
"Documents and Settings"?

I vouch for their dumbness in Italian too!

Ah, no one is spared. For full reprieve - probably best would be
to get Window's most annoying messages delivered in something like
Eskimo/Aleut.

 

[Bob Adkins]

I've tried to tell Jo that these public displays of affection are
embarrassing but he just doesn't seem to get the message. . .

Way to pay attention Susan! I thought I was the only one who noticed jo's
affection. I think he has a *serious crush on you. The symptoms are
obvious if one pays close attention. Not only do we have great Freeware to
entertain us, but now we have office romance / intrigue.


-- Bob

 

[jo]

Caution there, Jo! Susan might dispatch her great-grandchildren to beat
us up.

They'd have to find their zimmer frames first

 

[MLC]

_omega_, giovedì 16/dic/2004:

Yep, that would be the command for complete output to text list. But
probably not needed to settle this one question. I'm wondering about
the folders you've given. Can the Iomega program see "Programmi" or
"Documents and Settings"?

AFAIR they weren't seen.
I can't check again because I uninstalled the app, but I'm pretty sure.
On the first run I clicked the Browser button and I was frightened to not
see the directory tree to my Images folder. Then I looked for Programmi and
I couldn't find it.

 

[Robert Bunn]

Ah, no one is spared. For full reprieve - probably best would be
to get Window's most annoying messages delivered in something like
Eskimo/Aleut.

Klingon. It's the only language nothing sounds dumb in. I mean
*nothing*. Even phrases like "Nice boots" and "Is that a new haircut"
and "What's your sign?" sound sinister and vaguely threatening rather
than dumb in Klingon.

 

[Bob Adkins]

Klingon. It's the only language nothing sounds dumb in. I mean
*nothing*. Even phrases like "Nice boots" and "Is that a new haircut"
and "What's your sign?" sound sinister and vaguely threatening rather
than dumb in Klingon.

Ever eat Gah?

-- Bob

 

[Susan Bugher]

They'd have to find their zimmer frames first

We seldom resort to physical violence. (The family motto is "tongues at
ten paces".)

Susan

 

[Chrissy Cruiser]

SOrry Chirssy, did not understand the questions. Do you want to abe
able to use BillPower with EssentialPIM? It depends on BillPower
developers. We can help them, giving all necessary APIs to communicate
with EssentialPIM database, but they have to implement it..

BillPower was developed by Bud Farnham. I will get the word to him. Thanks.

Otherwise- what are the most essential features you like in BillPower-
maybe we could implement it in EPIM. If it becomes too offtopic, please
feel free to write me at epimsupport_at_essentialpim.com

thanks,
Max

Shouldn't be OT.

BillPower is used, primarily, by attorneys and accountants who use OE, ACT
and a few other db. It collects info on a client by client basis and allows
for the printing and display of data. It is fairly flexible as to what the
print looks like so you can produce a pro looking invoice with dates,
times, what happened to create the charge, per unit (as in $100 per hour or
increments thereof). My only experience with it has been in OE. It has a
free trial version and data to sample.

http://www.billpower.com/billpow.htm

If you put this feature in EPIM, honestly, I think you have a great shot at
shareware especially since your import function from OE does such a nice
job.

The downside I see is that BPwr farts when the db gets too full. Let me
qualify. I have a user who has his entire life in the pst file of OE.
Every single thing he does goes into the Calendar, all emails are collected
in OE, it's a mess. The pst file is HUGE.

We have to go client by client on a monthly basis to get the billing out.
On top of that, OE 2003 has a time limit of ten minutes to access the pst
file. I have seen BPwr work overnite on a 1.8g machine to get out one large
client.

Let me know what you think. EPIM free, your own BPwr as a plug in for $$$.
Sounds fair to me.

 

[omega]

Klingon. It's the only language nothing sounds dumb in. I mean
*nothing*. Even phrases like "Nice boots" and "Is that a new haircut"
and "What's your sign?" sound sinister and vaguely threatening rather
than dumb in Klingon.

That sounds good -- esp to have software prompts "sound sinister and
vaguely threatening." Would anyone know where I can download a handy
Klingon translation tool?

 

[Rod]

Would anyone know where I can download a handy
Klingon translation tool?

I'm only aware of online tools like:
http://www.khemorex-klinzhai.de/e/Hol/muhaqwi_interface.html

and maybe at the Klingon language Institute:
http://www.kli.org/

 

[omega]

I'm only aware of online tools like:
http://www.khemorex-klinzhai.de/e/Hol/muhaqwi_interface.html

Thanks, will poke around.

and maybe at the Klingon language Institute:
http://www.kli.org/

Is it safe to enter those corridors? Should I notify relatives first, in
case this is a cult which might sweep me away?

 

[Rod]

Is it safe to enter those corridors? Should I notify relatives first, in
case this is a cult which might sweep me away?

At least they're not Borg:
http://www.startrek-voyager.info/j.html

 

[Robert Bunn]

We seldom resort to physical violence. (The family motto is "tongues at
ten paces".)

That's way too far away for tongues to be any fun.

 

[jo]

That's way too far away for tongues to be any fun.

Depends how long they are

 

[Sietse Fliege]

Yep, that would be the command for complete output to text list. But
probably not needed to settle this one question. I'm wondering about
the folders you've given. Can the Iomega program see "Programmi" or
"Documents and Settings"?

Well, I should have checked. Folders like the My Pictures folder do not
have the system attribute set, but they do have the read-only attribute
set. That would normally pose no problem as normally only system folders
are not browsable by some programs (read-only folders are OK.). Susan
can probably confirm that Photo Printer does work for read-only folders.
So although Susan found that Iomega Photo Printer indeed does not let
you browse system folders, Maria should be able to see her 'Immagini'
folder.
So I got curious and installed the program (normally I wouldn't do that
with programs that have trouble with the XP filesystem). Just for this
once, because it has 'omega' in its name! hah, hah!

Now there is something that I believe I have never seen yet.
It may be the same as what Maria and others saw:
When I click the browse button. then what appears to be a completely
normal Folder dialog box pops up, listing the various partitions and
removable drives.
But when I then click the plus button next to the c: drive, the
root folder does not unfold, it shows me no subfolders!
What I can do is select e.g. the c: drive and then it begins to
recursively fetch all the images on the complete c: drive, including the
My pictures folder (no problem there).

I'm really puzzled with this.
AFIAK, programs that are not written for XP or for the NTFS file system
most times run perfectly well if they use the Windows APIs and use them
properly, e.g. to access files and folders. Windows does provide support
for that.
To me it looks like Photo Printer does just use the Windows API for the
folder dialog, but then the dialog does not work correctly. As if, when
I click the plus button, this is not handled by Windows but (in an
incorrect way) by Photo Printer.
How can that happen? Baffles me. Maybe that a programmer if reading
this, can explain.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Well, I should have checked. Folders like the My Pictures folder do not
have the system attribute set, but they do have the read-only attribute
set. That would normally pose no problem as normally only system folders
are not browsable by some programs (read-only folders are OK.). Susan
can probably confirm that Photo Printer does work for read-only folders.

Nope - I just checked and I *can't* do that. In WIN98 the app can't see:

system folders
read-only folders
hidden folders

If I set the read only or hidden attribute the folder is not shown. If I
remove that attribute the folder is shown. (I don't have to restart the
app to see this change in behavior. IOW - it apparently looks at the
attributes each time I open the "browse" menu.)

Susan

 

[Sietse Fliege]

Nope - I just checked and I *can't* do that. In WIN98 the app can't
see:

system folders
read-only folders
hidden folders

If I set the read only or hidden attribute the folder is not shown.
If I remove that attribute the folder is shown. (I don't have to
restart the app to see this change in behavior. IOW - it apparently
looks at the attributes each time I open the "browse" menu.)

Susan

I see. This made me do the following experiment:
I created a folder with system, read-only and hidden attributes set,
gave it a name starting with an a, so it would show up very quickly and
put an inmage in that. It did show the image!

Apparently the app starts a normal Windows folder dialog but it doesn't
communicate properly with it.
To sum it up: it will register that you select a particular drive (and
then inmediately starts to fetch and display thumbs from that drive),
but it does not register that you click the plus sign, so it does not
let you pick a subfolder as root folder for the scan, it will just fetch
all the images from the entire drive.
It also does not communicate whether a folder has any attribute set,
which it would want to know about according to its 'normal' behaviour.

This is what it does on my machine anyway.

I suspect a vast percentage of users will, like Maria, store their
pictures in the (default) My Pictures folder (or rather in a sub
folder). As this folder has the read-only attribute set, any app that is
supposed to show these pictures on a WinXP system really should not care
about the read-only attribute.
For older apps like Photo Printer, that are otherwise great apps, it is
a shame when they are not updated.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan Bugher wrote:

Program: Iomega Photo Printer

I see. This made me do the following experiment:
I created a folder with system, read-only and hidden attributes set,
gave it a name starting with an a, so it would show up very quickly and
put an inmage in that. It did show the image!

Apparently the app starts a normal Windows folder dialog but it doesn't
communicate properly with it.
To sum it up: it will register that you select a particular drive (and
then inmediately starts to fetch and display thumbs from that drive),
but it does not register that you click the plus sign, so it does not
let you pick a subfolder as root folder for the scan, it will just fetch
all the images from the entire drive.
It also does not communicate whether a folder has any attribute set,
which it would want to know about according to its 'normal' behaviour.

This is what it does on my machine anyway.

On the "kids" XP OS I believe it *will* browse to a folder. I've heard
no report of differences in behavior since they switched from WIN98 to
WIN XP (on a new computer). . .

They might have FAT32. . . I'm fairly sure they're *not* using the My
Pictures folder for most images. . . I don't think the drive is
partioned. . . will check when I have a chance and report back (if
others don't report in on their XP systems first).

Thanks much for helping to sort this out Sietse.

Susan