K8V deluxe ram

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John

I just downloaded the manual from the asus site. I have 3 dimms of ddr 400
ram. 1 is 512megs and the other 2 are a matched pair of 256megs each. If I
am reading this chart right in the manual, I can't run 3 sticks of ddr 400
ram on this motherboard. Is that right? Oh yea, it is OCZ PC 3200
performance series. It had a copper spread on it and it did not pay
attention if it was single or double sided.
Thanks in advance
 
P

Paul

"John" said:
I just downloaded the manual from the asus site. I have 3 dimms of ddr 400
ram. 1 is 512megs and the other 2 are a matched pair of 256megs each. If I
am reading this chart right in the manual, I can't run 3 sticks of ddr 400
ram on this motherboard. Is that right? Oh yea, it is OCZ PC 3200
performance series. It had a copper spread on it and it did not pay
attention if it was single or double sided.
Thanks in advance

It looks like D-S-S is DDR333 max and D-x-D is DDR400. So, the chart
seems to be saying no. Try it anyway, it just might work. The purpose
of the chart, is to show you how sensitive the electrical performance
is to bus loading and chosen clock speed. There may be enough device
to device variation, that your three sticks might work - but no
guarantee. If it doesn't work, you'll need to dial the memory clock
down to DDR333.

This block diagram shows that the processor drives the memory directly.
Ignore the two busses shown.
http://www.via.com.tw/en/k8-series/k8t800.jsp

Based on the block diagram, I downloaded the datasheet for the processor
from AMD:

Athlon 64 (754 pin, single memory bus)
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24659.PDF

There is some interesting reading in the AMD processor spec.
1) The memory chart Asus put in the manual, is copied out of the AMD
processor datasheet.
2) DIMM1 has its own address bus. DIMM2 and DIMM3 share an address bus.
That is why there is a detailed memory table in the AMD datasheet,
to show that the DIMM slots are not created equal. For example, if
you had a DIMM with heavy address loading, it should go in the first
slot and its private address bus. (The address busses are not logically
separated - they have identical information, and the "unused" address
on any given memory transaction is the 1's complement of the other
bus - this is to reduce switching noise inside the processor.)
3) There is a table in the AMD spec, that shows the real frequencies used
to drive the DIMMs. (Pg.14)

I think there is still a possibility of running three sticks, especially
if the 256MB are single sided. This is assuming, of course, that the BIOS
doesn't prevent you from running it the way you want - Asus BIOS have been
known to examine the memory config and crank the clock down when they see
too many DIMMs.

Get a copy of MEMTEST86 from memtest86.com and test the memory, before
installing an OS. Support for testing the ECC portion of a DIMM is dependent
on per-chipset support in MEMTEST86, so if the memory you own has ECC, the
ECC portion may not get tested. (See the docs on the memtest86 website.)

HTH,
Paul
 
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Ian Hastie

I just downloaded the manual from the asus site. I have 3 dimms of ddr 400
ram. 1 is 512megs and the other 2 are a matched pair of 256megs each. If I
am reading this chart right in the manual, I can't run 3 sticks of ddr 400
ram on this motherboard. Is that right?

Yes, that's right, not at full speed anyway. This is, however, a
limitation of the CPU as it houses the memory controller. You can find
full details of the controller in the 'AMD Athlon 64 Processor Data
Sheet'. The full and official version of the table is on page 16.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24659.PDF
Oh yea, it is OCZ PC 3200
performance series. It had a copper spread on it and it did not pay
attention if it was single or double sided. Thanks in advance

What are the model numbers of the sticks of RAM you have? It should be
possible to find if they are single or double sided from the makers web
sites.

BTW, it's better if you post follow ups to the responses to your posts.
That way the articles stay in the same thread and are easier to find.
 
I

Ian Hastie

Get a copy of MEMTEST86 from memtest86.com and test the memory, before
installing an OS. Support for testing the ECC portion of a DIMM is
dependent on per-chipset support in MEMTEST86, so if the memory you own
has ECC, the ECC portion may not get tested. (See the docs on the
memtest86 website.)

There is an updated version called Memtest86+. This supports the newer
systems including the Athlon 64 based ones. It's available at
http://www.memtest.org/.
 
S

Sven

I just downloaded the manual from the asus site. I have 3 dimms of ddr 400
ram. 1 is 512megs and the other 2 are a matched pair of 256megs each. If I
am reading this chart right in the manual, I can't run 3 sticks of ddr 400
ram on this motherboard. Is that right? Oh yea, it is OCZ PC 3200
performance series. It had a copper spread on it and it did not pay
attention if it was single or double sided.
Thanks in advance
That's correct I guess. I even had do sell my GeiL PC3500 (2x512MB) as this
ram did not go well with more than ONE stick in it at time. I now have
2x512MB Corsair TWINX 3200LL, and this is fine, but I can't add another
unless I turn down the speed of RAM from 400mhz to 333mhz.
 

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