I've issued Dynamic Draw Professional.

[Roger Johansson]

I think that 'Historied structured document' might become one solution
of this problem.
I am describing about 'Historied structured document' in my homepage. I
call it 'hidocument'.
It is just a possibility. I am not sure it become a solution, but I am
sure there is a chance.

I think that this kind of "historied structured document" is already
used by many programmers who cooperate on a project.

They create new versions of the document, the program in their case,
and they keep track of the different versions.

I am not a programmer myself but I think they are doing this at places
like sourceforge on the web, where all the people who like to help out
to advance the development of a program, its documentation and other
things that are needed.

So, my final goal is, most software will become to support 'hidocument'
style.
I hope that OpenOffice, MS Office, famous UML editors, etc, support it.

In office programs they also have a kind of "historied structured
document" system, where a document has a history, and one or more
people have worked on it.
The older versions are kept so anybody can follow the development of
the document and the parts of it.

Maybe this is what you are thinking of but you use different words to
describe it.

 

[Lou]

Regards,

Good sig <bg>

Lou (The guy who emailed you).

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On 26 Jun 2006 22:00:05 -0700, "Masayuki Fukushiro"


Hi Masayuki,

My program has been listed in FWT.

They are still going ? They used to have a newsletter one could
subscribe to but that stopped many months ago and I presumed the site
would follow.

< snip >

Have you thought of trying Tucows at http://www.tucows.com/ ?

Also, I cannot download your program. When I click the Dynamic Draw
Professional 4.0 B1 ME link I get a file called dd4b1me.exe which is
478KB. NOT one that is 30.2 MB. :-(

I also cannot play your movies. I get an error on my system saying
that the movie player has missing files to play your movie.

Perhaps you could consider adding some screen shots ?

Also, most people have downloads as .zip files. You might consider
that option too.

Regards, John.


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[Masayuki Fukushiro]

I think that this kind of "historied structured document" is already
used by many programmers who cooperate on a project.

I've really shocked when I've read your response.
But, now I feel thanks for your real kindness.

If you've mentioned like CSV, SVN or VSS, yes, it is similar to them.
I got a hint from SCCS, that is ancestor of version control system.
I've expanded the idea, and focused to record the thinking process.
I wish to realize to record thinking process in naturall,
automatically.
Sorry, it is a little difficult for me, to describe, even if I write in
Japanese.
My japanese friend compared, it is like fine granuarity of CVS, SVN and
VSS.

But, it seems to me that you've mentioned something else that maybe I
don't know about.
If you know the name of software you've mentioned, please teach me.
I wish to research about it.

Regards,

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

Good sig <bg>

Thank you Lou !
I've used the signature a few times that you've suggested, but I've
felt a stress for advertising myself. So I've omitted.
I think I am a stereotype of Japanese.
It is suitable for me ?

Regards,

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

They are still going ? They used to have a newsletter one could
subscribe to but that stopped many months ago and I presumed the site
would follow.

Hi John,
I've received the following email from them, so I believe they are
still going.

This is a mail from Freeware World Team.
We are happy to inform you that we have just added your freeware program,
Dynamic Draw Professional, into our freeware database.

Have you thought of trying Tucows at http://www.tucows.com/ ?

I did not know the site. I've opened and found pretty cow.
But is it for shareware ?
I cannot find that it is allowed to submit freeware.

Also, I cannot download your program. When I click the Dynamic Draw
Professional 4.0 B1 ME link I get a file called dd4b1me.exe which is
478KB. NOT one that is 30.2 MB. :-(

Sorry, I suppose it is occured because I put the installer in Japanese
server.
Another person gave me a mail that said he has downloaded a crashed
file too.
I intend to prepare another download server.

Perhaps you could consider adding some screen shots ?

Yes, I've already add on my site, but It does not seem to attract
attention.
I intend to move them to upper page.

Also, most people have downloads as .zip files. You might consider
that option too.

Thank you your advice. I will upload a zip file too.

Regards,

 

[Roger Johansson]

I've really shocked when I've read your response.
But, now I feel thanks for your real kindness.

If you've mentioned like CSV, SVN or VSS, yes, it is similar to them.
I got a hint from SCCS, that is ancestor of version control system.
I've expanded the idea, and focused to record the thinking process.
I wish to realize to record thinking process in naturall,
automatically.
My japanese friend compared, it is like fine granuarity of CVS, SVN and
VSS.

Your friend knows more about this than I do.

You can look at http://sourceforge.net/
that is a place for programming projects

But I am no expert in these things, I just know that such cooperation
projects exist, in many forms around the net.

Maybe if you try a newsgroup for programmers you will find such
projects more easily. Or maybe someone else here knows more than me
about programming with version control systems.

In the open source community they have much more such project control
systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2004/01/29/scm_overview.html

http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/comparison.html

http://ximbiot.com/cvs/

As you can see, it is a whole world of such system out there already.
Maybe it is easier to find out what other programmers are using.

 

[Roger Johansson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revision_control_software

Look at the "widely used and accepted" section of the above page


I found much more about such systems by googling for

open source version control systems

It's like a jungle of new and old systems out there, maybe better to
first decide if you like personal control over your program, or to make
it open source.

Then talk to other programmers about how to do it for that type of
licence.

It is no hurry, take your time and investigate the alternatives.

 

[Craig]

Roger Johansson wrote:




If you've mentioned like CSV, SVN or VSS, yes, it is similar to them.
I got a hint from SCCS, that is ancestor of version control system.
I've expanded the idea, and focused to record the thinking process.
I wish to realize to record thinking process in naturall,
automatically.

Fukushiro;

An example of a new version control system is subversion
(subversion.tigris.org/) This is open source that is designed to
replace CVS. It was launched by Linus Torvald after years of using CVS
(a closed-source product) for his Linux kernel development.

But, it sounds as if you have developed your own version control. Have
you formalized this yet?

enjoy,
-Craig

 

[George]

Masayuki,

If Dynamic Draw were my creation, I don't think I would release the
source code unless there was a specific advantage to do so. Most
people will be happy to use the program as freeware. However if I lost
interest in updating it, I would probably release the source code just
to keep the program alive. Releasing the source code is always
something you can do in the future but once it is released, it would be
difficult to take back. There are some folks on this forum that might
disagree, but that is my opinion.

I have to say that your knowledge of the English language is better
than you give yourself credit. I have noticed only occasional errors.
To be honest, your English writing is better than some Americans.

George

 

[Lou]

Thank you Lou !
I've used the signature a few times that you've suggested, but I've
felt a stress for advertising myself. So I've omitted.
I think I am a stereotype of Japanese.
It is suitable for me ?

Regards,

Sig as above is fine. Lets anyone who comes into anything you are
posting into get to your site easily. Your site tells the rest of the
story.

Lou

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

An example of a new version control system is subversion
(subversion.tigris.org/) This is open source that is designed to
replace CVS. It was launched by Linus Torvald after years of
using CVS (a closed-source product) for his Linux kernel
development.

CVS is open source software -- the license is the GNU GPL.

Torvalds was using the closed-source BitKeeper. He had to drop
BitKeeper after a kernel developer was accused of reverse engineering
it while working on a replacement for it -- the BitKeeper folks
withdrew permission for kernel hackers to use it free of charge.

He never used Subversion. The project he started to replace BitKeeper,
and which he's now using, is called Git. <http://git.or.cz/>

 

[Craig]

CVS is open source software -- the license is the GNU GPL.

Torvalds was using the closed-source BitKeeper. He had to drop
BitKeeper after a kernel developer was accused of reverse engineering
it while working on a replacement for it -- the BitKeeper folks
withdrew permission for kernel hackers to use it free of charge.

He never used Subversion. The project he started to replace BitKeeper,
and which he's now using, is called Git. <http://git.or.cz/>

Thanks for the correction, Q. My bad.

Fukushiro;

/Three/ examples of open source version control!
~CVS (but I guess you already know about that)
~Subversion &
~Git

regards,
-Craig

 

[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons wrote:

Hi Masayuki,

Hi John,
I've received the following email from them, so I believe they are
still going.

< snip >

Okay, according to....

http://www.all4you.dk/FreewareWorld/newsletter.php?l=2

"Our newsletter service is not running at the moment." :-(

I did not know the site. I've opened and found pretty cow.
But is it for shareware ?

Shareware, demoware, commercialware, freeware etc. etc.

I cannot find that it is allowed to submit freeware.

The link is at the bottom of the page.

Try ;

https://author.tucows.com/

They have dozens, if not hundreds, of (mirror) sites around the world.
I wouldn't even be surprised to find that they have a Japanese site.

< snip >

I intend to prepare another download server.

Good. I look forward to trying it out.

Yes, I've already add on my site, but It does not seem to attract
attention.
I intend to move them to upper page.

Thank you. My win 98SE system doesn't like your videos.

Thank you your advice. I will upload a zip file too.

Good. Thank you.

Regards, John.


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[Masayuki Fukushiro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revision_control_software
Look at the "widely used and accepted" section of the above page
I found much more about such systems by googling for
open source version control systems
It's like a jungle of new and old systems out there, maybe better to
first decide if you like personal control over your program, or to make
it open source.

Thank you Roger.
I've started to see them, but what a lot of information!
I've been almost lost in the version control jungle.
But Craig gave me another info.
I'll start from Subversion.

It is no hurry, take your time and investigate the alternatives.

Yes, I should follow your suggestion.
In fact, I have a few, but troublesome task in Japan.
I do step by step.

But, it sounds as if you have developed your own version control. Have
you formalized this yet?

My program might be a kind of version control, but, I guess it is
different from what you think about.
My program cannot control the version of srouce code.
It control the version of thinking process.
And it is a kind of vector graphics editor.
If you have some interest, please come to my website.

Regards,

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

I have to say that your knowledge of the English language is better
than you give yourself credit. I have noticed only occasional errors.
To be honest, your English writing is better than some Americans.

Thank you George. Your message encourages me.
But, I become nervous every time when I push the "Post message" button.
I'm afraid to send a wrong message.
For example, 'You are strange' or 'You are unique', these are same if I
would say in Japanese, but in English, they are different. I do not
have such a kind of knowledge a lot.
I hope, the day I can push the 'Post message' without nervous, will
come.

Regards,

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

On 27 Jun 2006 18:14:25 -0700, "Masayuki Fukushiro"
Try ;
https://author.tucows.com/
They have dozens, if not hundreds, of (mirror) sites around the world.
I wouldn't even be surprised to find that they have a Japanese site.

Thank you John, I will challenge it.
You gave me many challenges.

Now, I've made ZIP file and uploaded it, on another web server.
And you can see some screenshot images in my website.
Please try it in your free time.

Regards,

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

Thank you John, I will challenge it.
You gave me many challenges.

I've made a mistake !
I heard many sites from another John and felt sure it's you.
Sorry and thanks John and John.

 

[In_Parentheses]

I've made a mistake !
I heard many sites from another John and felt sure it's you.
Sorry and thanks John and John.

Konnichiwa, Masayuki

So did I... My mistake was not to install the program immediately after I
downloaded it! My bad! But this is corrected now, after I've seen the
screenshots on your site!

"Domo arigato" for a beautiful and great application!

BTW: Your English is way better than the Japanese is of most of the folks
around here, mine included ;-D

 

[Steven Burn]

BTW: Your English is way better than the Japanese is of most of the folks
around here, mine included ;-D

.... mine included also (and this is one heck of an app!)

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