I've issued Dynamic Draw Professional.

[George]

Perhaps it should read like this:

Dynamic Draw Professional is distributed as freeware for business or
personal use. You may redistribute Dynamic Draw Professional as long
as as it is not sold and remains freware. The download is a
self-extracting WinRAR file. The program is installed by running the
"SETUP.EXE" file that is in the "disk1" folder.

 

[Roger Johansson]

Perhaps it should read like this:

Dynamic Draw Professional is distributed as freeware for business or
personal use. You may redistribute Dynamic Draw Professional as long
as as it is not sold and remains freware. The download is a
self-extracting WinRAR file. The program is installed by running the
"SETUP.EXE" file that is in the "disk1" folder.

Yes, now I am with you.

Your advice were good otherwise.
There is a lack of information on the authors web site about certain
things that you brought up. But there is no need to throw a lot of
difficult english at him at once.

Help him with one thing at a time instead.

 

[meow2222]

It think it can be described as:

Vector graphics editor. Useful for making flowcharts, line drawings,
org charts, buttons, etc. Object-oriented drawing and design program.

Maybe you miss a description like this on the web site.
And in the descriptions of the program elsewhere.

ty, I'll go try it then - I imagine it does more than Eve.

Masayuki, the very first thing we need to see on your site is what it
is / what it does. A screenshot on the front page would also help in
this respect, though is not a necessity.

PS re distribution, freeware authors are just about never paid for
distribution, the only thing restricting distribution does it to
eliminate it from most sites, projects and cd compilatoins that would
make the work available to milions of people to use. Authors sometimes
hang onto distribution rights in the vague hope someone will pay them,
but there is no conceivable business model in paying to distribute free
software, so it doesnt happen in reality. You the author pay for the
site and bandwidth for all downloads, but if you allow distribution you
dont need to pay for any of it, let the freeware sites offer the file
and your homepage can just direct to them when people want to dl the
file. Freely allowing distribution has all the advantages.

If you need any thing there translated into perfect polished English,
feel free to post it here and some of us may help. And some will
grumble probably!

Dont forget to submit it to pricelessware.


NT

 

[POKO]

POKO, thank you for your kindness.
Before posting here, I've submit to some english download sites, but
they were refused.
I know it is difficult to list a newcomer's program for them, because
of cost, security, and some other reason.
But it really discouraged me that they've decided without installing
it.
So I am happy that you will try my program.
If you have any question, please tell me.

Masayuki,
I see from the growing thread that your little (um, make that
substantial) piece of software has created a stir in acf. Poor me on
dialup - I started the download and went to bed. To be honest with you I
cannot critique your app as graphics is not my forte. I'm sure for the
experienced user that it is very well received.
Best wishes for a prosperous life of programming,

 

[Roger Johansson]

I liked the feature that created objects are intelligent enough to
adjust when other objects change. An arrow between object A and object
B becomes longer or changes direction when these objects are moved, so
the arrow still goes from A to B after B or A has been moved.

It also has great coloring possibilities, look at the example files in
the program.

ty, I'll go try it then - I imagine it does more than Eve.

I does more than Eve, and most important of all, it can export to a
range of picture formats, while Eve can only export as EMF.

It is a big download for somebody on dial-up connection to internet,
because of the many movies which are showing how to use it. The program
itself is not big, and should maybe be available without all those
movies, which I think few people will have the patience to watch.

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

Don't be discouraged by sites rejecting your work. Some sites operate
within their own guidelines. This can often mean that very good work is
not even considered, because of their often inappropriate criteria. But
be assured that good quality freeware always receives good reviews on
alt.comp.freeware.

Thank you Brian.
I've experienced some frustration, and now I understand what you say.
Don't worry. I'm fine.
I should come here at the first. But I did not know the existence of
ACF.
Thanks to the sites and frustration, I found here.

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

Thank you Roger, George and meow2.
Sorry, this conversation is little difficult for me.
So, I don't understand perfectly.

I will add the following to my web site.

Roger Johansson

Vector graphics editor. Useful for making flowcharts, line drawings,
org charts, buttons, etc. Object-oriented drawing and design program.

George

Dynamic Draw Professional is distributed as freeware for business or
personal use.

George

The download is a self-extracting WinRAR file. The program is
installed by running
the "SETUP.EXE" file that is in the "disk1" folder.

And, what I should write in my website about the following ?

George and Roger Johansson
You may redistribute Dynamic Draw Professional as long
as as it is not sold and remains freware.

meow2 has adviced me, but sorry, I cannot understand exactly.
I don't mind that the program is listed in other sites, included in cd
compilatoins.
I mind if somebody sell it 'Dynamic Draw 100$ !!'.
Not because of money ( to tell the truth, a little pity the money ),
but I am afraid that it cause misunderstanding to users that the
program charges price and they demand full suport of the program.

If somebody have a good idea, suggest me please.

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

If you don't want to tell me which sites refused to list your
program, that's your business. However, I can recommend that you submit
your program for review to both Snapfiles:
http://www.webattack.com/freeware/freeware.html
and Nonags:
http://www.nonags.com/

Thank you John.
I'm not informed about US downloadsites.
You will mean that these sites are opened to freeware wider ?
I cannot submit soon, but when I get free time, I will try to submit to
them.
Thank you!

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

1) For future enhancements, you might add an option to "Export All
Objects Picture..." so that you don't have to select all the objects to
export.

Let me think about this.
Maybe you will notice, Dynamic Draw has a unique accesskey style on the
menu.
It is an optimized interface for that you put your left hand on the
keyboard and right hand on the mouse.
So, I wish to keep few functions in the menu as well as possible.

2) It would be nice to add an option to insert an image from a file to
make creating annotations easier.

Okey, I list it in my future task list.

3) The shadow functions works a little differently that what I
expected. I was expecting a shadow to the right and bottom of the
object, not having it be transparent.

Sorry, I cannot understand the following.
'not having it be transparent.'
Could you explain in details.

It is a big download for somebody on dial-up connection to internet,
because of the many movies which are showing how to use it. The program
itself is not big, and should maybe be available without all those
movies, which I think few people will have the patience to watch.

I've forgotten that there are many people who connect on dial-up.
In Japan, most people connect on broadband because Japan is narrow.
It sound good idea. I make another installer not include movies.

Regards,

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

Thank you POKO.

I see from the growing thread that your little (um, make that
substantial) piece of software has created a stir in acf. Poor me on
dialup - I started the download and went to bed. To be honest with you I
cannot critique your app as graphics is not my forte. I'm sure for the

Sorry, I've let you spend your time for the download.
Roger gave me a good idea. I'll prepare another installer smaller.

Regards,

 

[Roger Johansson]

If somebody have a good idea, suggest me please.

At the web site you can use this:

"You may redistribute Dynamic Draw Professional as long
as as it is not sold and remains freeware.

You should also write a text file inside the program distribution
package where you make these things clear, that it is freeware and that
non-profit distribution is allowed, and that you own the copyright.

Like this:

"You may redistribute Dynamic Draw Professional as long
as as it is not sold and remains freeware.
The name of the program must remain the same and the
copyright remains with the author, Masayuki Fukushiro.
This notice may not be removed from the distribution package"


This will stop people from re-naming the program and pretend that they
are the authors. We know such a person who recently tried to re-name
the Opera web browser and distribute it as his own.

 

[Roger Johansson]

You should also write a text file inside the program distribution
package where you make these things clear, that it is freeware and that
non-profit distribution is allowed, and that you own the copyright.

Like this:

"You may redistribute Dynamic Draw Professional as long
as as it is not sold and remains freeware.
The name of the program must remain the same and the
copyright remains with the author, Masayuki Fukushiro.
This notice may not be removed from the distribution package"

The text file can have the name license.txt and such a file tells
people what the author allows people to do with the program, and what
is not allowed.
It also explains who owns the copyright to the program, who has made
it.

Or you can add it to the readme file you already have in the program,
before or after the section "About End-User Software License Agreement"

 

[John Corliss]

Thank you John.
I'm not informed about US downloadsites.
You will mean that these sites are opened to freeware wider ?

Yes, that's probably true. Here are the pages where you should submit
your program:

http://www.nonagsplus.com/software/sub3.asp

and:

http://www.snapfiles.com/submit/

I cannot submit soon, but when I get free time, I will try to submit to
them.
Thank you!

When you do, you might also want to consider these sites too:

http://freewarehome.com
(http://freewarehome.com/index.html?/add_ons/submit.html)

http://www.a1b2c3.com/free/index.html
(http://www.a1b2c3.com/free/feedbk01.htm, submission form at bottom)

http://www.majorgeeks.com
(http://www.majorgeeks.com/submitdownload.php)

http://www.webgrid.co.uk
(http://www.webgrid.co.uk/?m=Downloads&view=Submit)

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[Terry]

Hello.
My name is Masayuki Fukushiro.
I had issued a free drawing tool 'Molip Draw 2.1' 5 years before.
Now I've issued Dynamic Draw Professional, a new version of Molip Draw.
Dynamic Draw Professional is completely free and really powerful tool.
The Japanese edition has been widely used in Japan.
Now English edition is available.
I've prepared some movies to explain what my tool can do, so you can
see them before installing the tool.
Anyway. Please come to my homepage and evaluate my tool.
I feel sad because nobody comes to my homepage.

Can anybody who has tried this contrast it with Dia? Thanks.

Terry

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

I've finished to modify my website.
And I've noticed that programming is easer for me than making website.
A lot of thanks to Roger, George and meow2, it becomes better.

Regards,
--
Masayuki Fukushiro
author of Dynamic Draw Professional, a completely free, powerful
drawing tool.
http://www.dynamicdraw.com/
The Japanese edition is widely used in Japan.
Now an English edition is available.

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

Yes, that's probably true. Here are the pages where you should submit
your program:
http://www.nonagsplus.com/software/sub3.asp
and:
http://www.snapfiles.com/submit/
When you do, you might also want to consider these sites too:
http://freewarehome.com

Hello, John.
Most of the sites you listed, I've never heard.
This information is really useful for me.
Thank you !

Can anybody who has tried this contrast it with Dia? Thanks.

I did not know Dia.
I've searched in Google and I've found it's official website.
It seems to me that there is some difference in the direction of Dia
and Dynamic Draw.
I feel that Dia is optimized to make diagrams.
Dynamic Draw is for more general drawing.
These are my guess.
I hope somebody good at Dia help you.

Regards,
--
Masayuki Fukushiro
author of Dynamic Draw Professional, a completely free, powerful
drawing tool.
http://www.dynamicdraw.com/
The Japanese edition is widely used in Japan.
Now an English edition is available.

 

[George]

Masayuki ,

I agree that Roger Johansson's version of the wording for distribution
rights is the best and also agree it should be in the license (or
sometimes called End User License Agreement which is often abbreviated
as EULA).

The changes you made to your web site look really good. You might get
more traffic to your site after the search engines index the words you
added. I maintain a freeware web site of my own and have noticed that
people often include the word "freeware" in their searches.

The comment I had about shadows is that most graphics programs that
have options for shadows don't usually show a shadow in back of an
object. Your program allows you to see through the object to show the
shadow behind it. Shadows are usually only visable on the bottom and
the right side of the object. I don't consider this to be a
significant problem, just different from what I expected.

I agree with John Corlis that snapfiles and nonags are 2 of the best
freeware sites on the internet. Considering the high quality of your
program, I think they would be interested in hosting your program.

George

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

Is it okay to distribute your program to other people,
via freeware web sites, for example?

My program has been listed in FWT.
I suppose that you have submitted for me.
Thank you !!

I agree that Roger Johansson's version of the wording for distribution
rights is the best and also agree it should be in the license (or
sometimes called End User License Agreement which is often abbreviated
as EULA).
The changes you made to your web site look really good. You might get
more traffic to your site after the search engines index the words you
added. I maintain a freeware web site of my own and have noticed that
people often include the word "freeware" in their searches.

Thank you George.
I've append to Readme.txt the distribution rights that Roger was
suggested.
And I've just finished to upload the smaller version of installer.

I agree with John Corlis that snapfiles and nonags are 2 of the best
freeware sites on the internet. Considering the high quality of your
program, I think they would be interested in hosting your program.

Now, I start to submit the software to Nonags.
This time, I hope they accept my program.
I think I've learned a lot from previous failures.

I really thank the people who adviced me !

Regards,
--
Masayuki Fukushiro
author of Dynamic Draw Professional, a completely free, powerful
drawing tool.
http://www.dynamicdraw.com/
The Japanese edition is widely used in Japan.
Now an English edition is available.

 

[Roger Johansson]

Roger Johansson wrote:

My program has been listed in FWT.
I suppose that you have submitted for me.
Thank you !!

It was somebody else. I asked you because I know we have people here
who help with such things. They just need to know that a program is
very good and that it is okay with the author to distribute it.

So I just asked you if it would be okay, and then other people helped
you.


For the future you can maybe think about if you want to have full
control over this program. If you are the only person who can change it
and make it better.

That is one way of seeing it, and I assumed that this is what you want
at this moment.
Many programmers want to have full control of their program like that.

But you can think a little about that. There are many ways to let other
programmers help you make the program better. You can let others send
you suggestions and you choose to implement new ideas. Or you can make
a project of it, still under your control but letting others study your
program code and suggest changes.

Or you can go all the way and make it open source and let others make
it better and distribute their versions.

There are many variants of cooperation you can consider.

Of course we do not want to think about unpleasant things, but anyone
of us could die tomorrow, and what would then happen to your program?

As the license is written now nobody can make it better, so it will
remain as it is and other program will be developed which become
better, and people forget your program. If you make it possible for
others to continue the work if you lose interest or disappear the
program will have a future independent of you.

In a few years we will all use linux instead of windows, and we will
only use free software, open source programs.

That is something to think about for the future, maybe.

 

[Masayuki Fukushiro]

It was somebody else. I asked you because I know we have people here
who help with such things. They just need to know that a program is
very good and that it is okay with the author to distribute it.

Oh,so,I thank you and somebody !

For the future you can maybe think about if you want to have full
control over this program. If you are the only person who can change it
and make it better.

I understand what you've said.
In fact, I've been thinking that my source code should be opened or not
almost everyday.

I agree with you that we will only use free software in the future.
But I do not agree it becomes in a few years. I supporse it will be
more distant future. Because, in some kind of software, it is really
difficult to separate and distribute the development task to many
people.
In this kind of software, a few person must dedicate themselves to the
development. If the software will hold a lot of users, like OpenOffice,
the person will get some method to keep their life, but if the software
will not hold many people, like my software, it is difficult to keep
their life.
I suppose that in the future, it will become easier to keep the life,
then every software become opened and free software.

Anyway, this is just my opinion and it is not important.
The topic is, what I think this software should be.
Before starting to describe it, I wish to describe the background of my
software development.

I've been working as a programmer for long years, and I had felt many
times that the technology becomes difficult day by day, and products
becomes more and more complex.
We've spent long time to learn the technology and take over the product
development from others.
But, someday, it will reach a limit, because we cannot alive forever,
the time is limited.
I think that 'Historied structured document' might become one solution
of this problem.
I am describing about 'Historied structured document' in my homepage. I
call it 'hidocument'.
It is just a possibility. I am not sure it become a solution, but I am
sure there is a chance.

So, my final goal is, most software will become to support 'hidocument'
style.
I hope that OpenOffice, MS Office, famous UML editors, etc, support it.
If it is promised that, when I become my source code opened then they
support it, I will open it immediately.
But if they wish to hold it, I may donate it to them.
I know my goal sounds something stupid and too big imagination, but I
am serious.
I know that, to realize my dream, the efficiency of hidocument must be
proved.
So I hope that many people use my software. And for them, I put an
effort to open the document format.
I think that most important propertis for users is, their documsnts.
And when I notice my dream is illusion, or I die, the soruce code will
be opened.

I've described my too big imagination, but in fact, I am happy just use
it as a drawing tool.

I apologize that I've spent many space for my explanation.
And, if I use some rude words or somebody feel bad, sorry. I don't have
a lot of experience writing English, especially this kind of
description.

Regards,