Is .NET Framework already in FP 2003 ?

K

Kevin Spencer

I have no need for .net

Yet. ;-)

Actually, you might just want to wait for Vista, which will blow all
existing Windows OS's out of the water.

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K

Kevin Spencer

I have run Windows 2003 server on my home machine and worked with it
extensively in my work environment. The security is more extensive, and SP1
tightens it up a bit. But a judicious use of the Application and System
Event Logs, along with a bit of security tweaking reasolves all of these
issues.

Still, again, I wouldn't go back to a 5-year-old OS in any case. I'd wait
for Vista.

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
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T

Thomas A. Rowe

No I haven't looked at ASP.Net 2.0, etc. I have no need to use .net nor do I do see the need in the
near future to do so.

Classic ASP is working just fine for me at this time.

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Jeff Teel

Hi Thomas

I took a look at my server to see if I was able to get the commands to work
from the IIS MMC and they didn't seem to do anything after executing them
either. They were on the menu and I could click on say "Check Server
Extensions 2002" but it didn't seem to finish. The little blue gears just
kept turning!! I could however open the FrontPage Server extensions
administration page on a workstation and do those tasks (Check Server
Extensions 2002 and Recalculate Server Extensions 2002 web) with no problem.
I had never tried doing those tasks from the server using MMC so I can't say
how they behaved before SP1. This shouldn't make any difference but my
server is the Small Business Server version. I wouldn't think there would be
any difference. The network adapters disconnecting would make me think there
is a problem somewhere else that FrontPage is just magnifying and the end
result is the adapters letting go. But I know you don't want speculation!
Were there any driver updates for your NIC's available for SP1 when you
upgraded?

I guess I could live with not being able to do those tasks from the server
using MMC since they will work from a workstation. It's just the idea of
"it worked before but it won't now".

Thanks for making me aware of this problem.
Jeff
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

That is exactly my problem.

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Thomas A. Rowe

Actually that is one of my problems/issues with Windows 2003 Server and the FP2002 extensions.

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J

JIMCO Software

Thomas said:
No I haven't looked at ASP.Net 2.0, etc. I have no need to use .net
nor do I do see the need in the near future to do so.

Classic ASP is working just fine for me at this time.

Spoken like a true FrontPage 2000 die-hard! :)

If you looked at what ASP.NET has to offer, you would adopt it and not look
back. It is SUCH a HUGE improvement over legacy ASP.

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JIMCO Software
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FrontPage add-ins for FrontPage 2000 - 2003
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

But I really do not want to get into hardcore programming with C#, etc.

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J

JIMCO Software

Thomas said:
But I really do not want to get into hardcore programming with C#,
etc.

You can use VB.NET which is a much easier transition for an ASP developer.

All joking aside, you really should look into it! ASP.NET is one of the
coolest technologies that Microsoft (or anyone else!) has ever developed.
Visual Studio .NET 2005 is worth it just for the enhancements to the UI
alone, but other improvements are dramatic.

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JIMCO Software
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FrontPage add-ins for FrontPage 2000 - 2003
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Got to remember I still like and use FP2000 for all development work.

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T

Thomas A. Rowe

I not as easy as Steve...<smile Steve>

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K

Kevin Spencer

One of the best things about ASP.Net is the object-oriented aspect of it. If
it is used as it should be, it makes developing active web pages much
easier. It does require a learning curve to master, but if you design your
business classes well, and design your controls well, it actually requires
much less work to develop.

For example, my company recently needed a reporting tool for reporting on
the daily status of a service I wrote, which writes detailed information
about its transactions to a text log file. So, I began to develop a class
which parses the log file and puts all of the pieces into nice little
packages of text. It has a DailyReport class, which has a summary for the
day, and is a collection of JobReport classes. The JobReport class has a
summary for the Job, which runs every 10 minutes, and is a Collection of
FtpFile classes. The FtpFile class is a set of data about the details of how
an FTP file was created and uploaded to the National Weather Service.

Now, we have a Graphics/User Interface guy who isn't a heavy-duty
programmer, but a whiz with HTML, CSS, and so on. His job is to create the
web interface for our apps. So, I sat down and figured out the object model
for this DailyReport class, and the classes it contains. After that, I
stubbed out a set of classes with no code in them, just the object
structure, added Code Comments for Intellisense, and built it as a DLL. I
then gave the DLL to Dave (our Graphics guy), who added it to his ASP.Net
project in Visual Studio.

Now he's devloping the HTML and a User Control to host the report. He can
see what goes where in the page by looking at the object model for the
classes in the Visual Studio Object Browser. So, he first decides how the
page should look overall, using his HTML editor to build the page's outer
HTML, and some dummy text which will eventually be replaced by actual text
data. Note that he doesn't know or have to know anything about how the
classes work. He only has to know what properties contain what text.

Once he's done that (note that no programming is involved yet), He will
create an ASP.Net User Control, a templated control containing HTML and
other Server Controls, by pasting the HTML he developed for the report into
the Template. Then he will replace the dummy text with Label, Panel, and
other Server Controls, and where there are Collections, enclose the dummy
text in Repeater Controls.

Finally, he will wire up the Controls to their corresponding members in the
classes I'm developing (I'm filling in the code now), and a bit of Page code
to get the Airport ID and ReportDate from the QueryString, and Bob's your
uncle, it's done!

The Page Template itself will contain almost entirely HTML layout, with one
User Control reference in it. The User Control will contain almost entirely
HTML layout, with a few Server Control tags in it. And the CodeBehind will
contain a few lines of code that wire up the single class that I am building
(which contains 2 other classes as Collections) to the User Control, and a
bit of code that instantiates the User Control from the QueryString.

It doesn't get much simpler than that!

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
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T

Thomas A. Rowe

Kevin, you have always like this type of programming/coding...

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K

Kevin Spencer

True, but I also don't like to work TOO hard. ;-)

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U

Uncle Joe

I just installed .Net on my XP Home system using the Windows Update
feature. It wasn't a high-priority
item but was listed as a separate software product. I chose it, and
Windows Update began the 23 MB
download. Once downloaded completed, I clicked "Finish" and rebooted
my system. All is okay.
 
J

JIMCO Software

Uncle said:
I just installed .Net on my XP Home system using the Windows Update
feature. It wasn't a high-priority
item but was listed as a separate software product. I chose it, and
Windows Update began the 23 MB
download. Once downloaded completed, I clicked "Finish" and rebooted
my system. All is okay.

I think you didn't read the whole thread. :)

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JIMCO Software
http://www.jimcosoftware.com

FrontPage add-ins for FrontPage 2000 - 2003
 
U

Uncle Joe

I may install Vista on my system when Vista SP1 becomes available.
From what I hear, Vista Classic won't be available. Don't want gee
whiz transparent icons fading in and out on my desktop.
 
U

Uncle Joe

Jim,

I just re-read the entire thread and agree with Tom
that .Net can be downloaded to XP systems via
Windows Update. Worked for me. Please enlighten
me if I'm failing to comprehend nuances in your posts.

Joe
 

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