ICS problems with Client net access

[Bradstock]

Hi,
First let me say that I'm a bit of a newbie at this.
I got 2 XP Home machines networked via a crossover cable.
No problems there, each machine can see each other and share files.
Machine1 has a working Broadband Net connection via a USB modem.
I've run ICS setup via wizards and various web site instructions and many
other manual attempts
but I don't understand how to get Machine2, the client, to access the Net.
How do I set up Machine2 Internet options? Do I need to set up the same User
Name, passwords, pop, smtp etc
on Machine2 as on Machine1?
Whats this Gateway business and do I need to set that up as well? If so, how
& why doesn't the ICS wizard sort it out?
I was under the impression that a wizard does most of the required stuff for
you.
What other information might you need about this setup to point me in the
right direction?
What about the XP firewall? If it's enabled on Machine1 then Machine2 can't
'see' it or share files.
Surely I'm not expected to connect to the Net with the firewall switched
off!
Help! Drowning in a sea of jargon, acronyms and useless wizards!

 

[Chuck]

Hi,
First let me say that I'm a bit of a newbie at this.
I got 2 XP Home machines networked via a crossover cable.
No problems there, each machine can see each other and share files.
Machine1 has a working Broadband Net connection via a USB modem.
I've run ICS setup via wizards and various web site instructions and many
other manual attempts
but I don't understand how to get Machine2, the client, to access the Net.
How do I set up Machine2 Internet options? Do I need to set up the same User
Name, passwords, pop, smtp etc
on Machine2 as on Machine1?
Whats this Gateway business and do I need to set that up as well? If so, how
& why doesn't the ICS wizard sort it out?
I was under the impression that a wizard does most of the required stuff for
you.
What other information might you need about this setup to point me in the
right direction?
What about the XP firewall? If it's enabled on Machine1 then Machine2 can't
'see' it or share files.
Surely I'm not expected to connect to the Net with the firewall switched
off!
Help! Drowning in a sea of jargon, acronyms and useless wizards!

Brad,

ICS is essentially a software based NAT router. That is, all client web
functions will operate transparently. You can setup any email client, pop or
smtp, on Machine2 the same as on Machine1.

Setup your web browser with a Direct connection to the internet. Any User Names
/ Passwords setup on Machine 1 (with the exception of the User Name / Password
used on Machine1 for connecting to your ISP, which you won't need) should be
setup on Machine2 if you wish to access the same web resources.

If Machine2 is setup (using the networking wizard) to access the internet "...
thru another computer or residential gateway...", it will automatically get all
network settings from the configuration (DHCP) server, that is a part of ICS, on
Machine1.

All internet access, if properly setup on Machine1, will occur regardless of
firewall settings. ICF (the pre-SP2 firewall), and WF (the SP2 firewall) both
filter incoming traffic only. All internet traffic initiated by Machine2 will
automatically be passed by ICF on Machine1 to the internet.

You will need to configure the firewall (ICF or WF) on Machine1, if you wish to
share files from Machine1 to Machine2. What SP level is on Machine1 and
Machine2? SP2, or pre-SP2? That will make a big difference.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

 

[Bradstock]

Thanks
Both machines are SP2

Setup your web browser with a Direct connection to the internet. Any User
Names
/ Passwords setup on Machine 1 (with the exception of the User Name /
Password
used on Machine1 for connecting to your ISP, which you won't need) should
be
setup on Machine2 if you wish to access the same web resources.

Err... How do I do this. If I use 'New Connection Wizard' the only seemingly
feasable option is 'Connect to the Internet' followed by ''Set up my
connection manually'.
Following this is:
'Connect using a modem' (requires phone number)
or 'Connect to the Internet at my workplace' (can't be that)
or 'Set up a home or small office Network (done that)
or 'Set up an advanced connection' (not that either)
Via IE - Options - Connections Tab - Lan Settings (doesn't work without
Machine1's Username and PW
(Sorry, I did mention I'm a newbie at this)

If Machine2 is setup (using the networking wizard) to access the internet
"...
thru another computer or residential gateway...", it will automatically
get all
network settings from the configuration (DHCP) server, that is a part of
ICS, on
Machine1.

Residential Gateway??? How do I find & configure such a thing?

The only way I've been able to get Machine2 to see Machine1 is by switching
off the Firewall and I'm not prepared to do that whilst connected to the
Net.

Any simple step by step instructions would be more useful or is their a
complete idiots guide somewhere I could try?
I've already been to a number of sites that instruct me how to set up ICS
but I haven't found one yet that instructs me on how to access the Net from
Machine2 after ICS is setup

What's the point of a wizard that that doesn't do the job it's supposed to?

 

[Chuck]

Thanks
Both machines are SP2


Err... How do I do this. If I use 'New Connection Wizard' the only seemingly
feasable option is 'Connect to the Internet' followed by ''Set up my
connection manually'.
Following this is:
'Connect using a modem' (requires phone number)
or 'Connect to the Internet at my workplace' (can't be that)
or 'Set up a home or small office Network (done that)
or 'Set up an advanced connection' (not that either)
Via IE - Options - Connections Tab - Lan Settings (doesn't work without
Machine1's Username and PW
(Sorry, I did mention I'm a newbie at this)


Residential Gateway??? How do I find & configure such a thing?

The only way I've been able to get Machine2 to see Machine1 is by switching
off the Firewall and I'm not prepared to do that whilst connected to the
Net.

Any simple step by step instructions would be more useful or is their a
complete idiots guide somewhere I could try?
I've already been to a number of sites that instruct me how to set up ICS
but I haven't found one yet that instructs me on how to access the Net from
Machine2 after ICS is setup

What's the point of a wizard that that doesn't do the job it's supposed to?

Brad,

I understand your frustration. I hate dealing with the wizard, but it's
probably the best tool in this case.

Here are a few websites with useful tutorials (PracticallyNetworked is my
personal fave):
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/
http://www.wown.com/

I've not setup a connection using a USB modem. I can tell you that, if at all
possible, you should get an Ethernet Broadband modem, and a NAT router. ICS is
a shite way to share internet service.

Short of getting an Ethernet modem, and a router, you have to make do with this
setup. Which means using the wizard that came with the USB modem to install its
drivers (Ethernet has all drivers built in, USB is device specific). The wizard
to setup the USB modem should have its own instructions.

Once that is done, you'll have to run the XP networking wizard, and select "This
computer connects thru a modem" (I believe that the USB driver once installed
will create a non-dial modem), and "This computer provides service to other
computers" (starts ICS). You'll identify the Ethernet connection, and "Share
internet service thru this connection".

When Machine1 has internet connectivity, and runs ICS, you can run the wizard on
Machine2, and select "This computer connects thru another computer or
residential gateway".

Get Machine1 working and tested, then do Machine2. Ask questions whenever you
feel the need. Everybody here was a newbie once - ignore those here who seem to
forget that.

Once internet service works for Machine2, then configure WF on Machine1. Enable
the File and Printer Sharing exception, and be sure to enable it ONLY for the
192.168.0.0/24 subnet (ie the Ethernet connection to Machine2).

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

 

[Guest]

Hi I have more or less the same problem.. When I installed sp2 on both.. I
was not able to ‎brows the net. I have tried all the settings but no luck. No
pinging as well. I am sure there ‎is some thing else wrong. Coz I can brows
from machine 1 which has dial up connection ‎to the net and I see no send and
receive data on the network status of machine 2. Can you ‎please help?‎

 

[Chuck]

Hi I have more or less the same problem.. When I installed sp2 on both.. I
was not able to ?brows the net. I have tried all the settings but no luck. No
pinging as well. I am sure there ?is some thing else wrong. Coz I can brows
from machine 1 which has dial up connection ?to the net and I see no send and
receive data on the network status of machine 2. Can you ?please help??

I would like to help you, yes. Please start a new thread, with a unique and
descriptive Subject, and precise details about your problem. This will benefit
everybody - you, the OP, and the helpers here. Diagnosing your problem under
someone else's thread, OTOH, benefits nobody.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.