How DARE MS shut down my PC automatically to install updates!!

[norm]

There actually is a timer. It gives you 3 selections usually. One is
like 10 minutes, another an hour, another is 4 hours. If you happen to
be away from the computer, it will restart by itself. That is part of
the 'automatic updates'. If you don't like it, customize your schedule
so that either the installation is at a time when you aren't using your
computer or set the installation to prompt you (download updates, prompt
for installation).

I'm familiar with all of this, because I have customized these settings
for my domain users via Group Policies. I don't like having updates be
installed, but then the computer not restarted for days or weeks at a
time. I've had users complain because they were in the middle of
something. My response to them is if you are in the middle of
something, it will show you the countdown. If you aren't at your
computer to see the countdown because you went to do something else, you
should have saved your work anyway like any reasonable, responsible
person would do.

NS

You miss the point completely. The standard user, which is the
recommended configuration, does not have any choice as to control of the
reboot and may NOT have the time to save work, especially if attention
is directed elsewhere when the procedure takes place.

 

[Nick Simpson]

Before I reply further, are we talking 'standard' as in non-admin or
'standard' as basic user? I've been under the understanding its the latter
because I only caught this thread halfway through with my reader, but I
suppose it could be the former.


NS

 

[David]

You miss the point completely. The standard user, which is the
recommended configuration, does not have any choice as to control of
the reboot and may NOT have the time to save work, especially if
attention is directed elsewhere when the procedure takes place.

You got it exactly right, Norm! because my arm is killing me ive been
limited in typing lengthy explanations. the clueless here will never
get it...i finally had to ignore one poster as he refuses to understand
the scope of the issue.

dave

 

[Stephan Rose]

Never seen it on a computer that didn't have automatic updates enabled.


Yea, I was skim reading and saw "Severe" as server - but the same thing
holds - if you are doing something critical then you should not have
automatic updates enabled.

And my whole point was that Automatic Update does not equal Automatic
Reboot. It should *NOT* automatically *reboot* the computer. Period.
Never. Not under any circumstances.

It should simply apply the updates and if a reboot is necessary, notify
the user of this but let the user decide *when* to actually do the reboot.

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[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

This sort of behavior on MS's part is reprehensible and outrageous. How
bizarre that MS would elect to shut down users PC's using a timer
function, rather than allow users to choose when to shut down to finish
installation of updates. Brickbats to Gates & Company. No wonder I
cant stand Microsux.
I guess its time that i disable updates. That way I'll not have my
computing interrupted on Microsux's schedule. Scum sucking monopolistic
jerkass company. Any MS apologists here can save their breath--if you
try to excuse the inexcusable, all you do is drop your credibility to zero.

Dave

Turn off auto updates because not only does MS reboot your computer at
will that way, that is also how they installed the stealth updates! You
can use the following website if you like as an alternate for windows
updates:

http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/

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[Nick Simpson]

My apologies, I've not run into this behavior due to the way my system is
setup with group policies. I have to agree that is is a 'bug' or oversight
on Microsoft's part.

On a side note, I don't like people categorizing me as "clueless" or
"ignorant" because I don't agree with something. I recognize that chat
rooms, blogs, NG's and the like tend to draw out the idiots, but I think
people need to realize that not everyone is "clueless". I see the strengths
and weaknesses in several of the OS's. While I do have my favorites, I'm by
no means a "fanboy" and shouldn't be treated as such. While some people are
idiots, people should still be treated with respect.

NS

 

[Pete Stavrakoglou]

There's no timer that auto shuts down after an update. A windows pops up
and informs you that a reboot is necessary, but you can wait and do it
later at your convenience
This idiot is merely spouting FUD.

The auto updates to my Vista system automatically rebooted my system two
nights ago, it wasn't the first time. It's no spreading of FUD to say that
auto updates can also automatically reboot the system.

 

[Dave]

Well, in any case, he's still an idiot.

I have Vista set to download updates, but not install..
When I did have auto updates set, it did it in the middle of the night when
no one was using the computer.

 

[David]

Well, in any case, he's still an idiot.

I have Vista set to download updates, but not install..
When I did have auto updates set, it did it in the middle of the night
when no one was using the computer.

I feel better already, knowing a jerk like you thinks I'm an idiot! You
made my day, you clueless, rude twit. Thanks!!!

Dave

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

I've repeated what you said, if you can't get your facts correct them
you've got a problem.

Maybe if you could keep your story on a single path you might have some
credibility.

David $hit-canned/binned you. I have a new name for you now because you
just earned it with David binning you: You Bint!

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[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

I've only plonked one person in all my years (since 84) of being on
Usenet. You could be the second, but it doesn't serve any purpose.

pcbutts1??

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[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

No they don't, but they may very well have to start. This is pure
belligerence by the likes of the Ballmer idiot and those of his ilk who
are now so completely out of touch with reality they consider their
stupidity to be the mark of success. I suspect that Bill Gates saw this
coming and chose to opt out

Yeah, Allchin jumped ship too just in time.

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[norm]

My apologies, I've not run into this behavior due to the way my system
is setup with group policies. I have to agree that is is a 'bug' or
oversight on Microsoft's part.

No need to apologize. People that are savvy enough to do what you do, or
find other ways around the issue are not, unfortunately, found in the
vast majority of users that are affected. And maybe most of that vast
majority will not be bothered with the issue, but that is of small
consolation to the one who might lose something really valued through no
fault of their own.

On a side note, I don't like people categorizing me as "clueless" or
"ignorant" because I don't agree with something. I recognize that chat
rooms, blogs, NG's and the like tend to draw out the idiots, but I think
people need to realize that not everyone is "clueless". I see the
strengths and weaknesses in several of the OS's. While I do have my
favorites, I'm by no means a "fanboy" and shouldn't be treated as such.
While some people are idiots, people should still be treated with respect.

I, too, do not see the need for the "name calling". I wish it were
otherwise, but it isn't and probably will never be so.

NS

 

[caver1]

There usually are ways to work around issues. However, given that ms
recommends that vista be run as standard user (and even offers reasons
to do so at setup), once the updates are started under standard user
privileges, there is no way to stop the reboot. One will find out about
this issue only after the fact. The issue boils down to just who has
control of of any given computer. One only may be licensed by ms to use
vista, but that license should not give ms free reign to arbitrarily
turn off one's machine at their whim. Certainly the user should be given
the respect of at least asking whether or not the machine should be shut
down. In the smaller scope of things, this issue may seem minor, but
taken with some other things that ms has done lately to draw the ire of
the consumer, one wonders if they even care.

I don't agree with the way MS handles this issue.I just pointed out that
there is a work around and that it is a known issue for those who keep
saying it is FUD.
No MS doesn't care. All MS wants is total control.
caver1

 

[Charlie Tame]

In message <[email protected]> Charlie Tame


It's a balancing act -- Ever heard of "Exploit Wednesday"?

The bad guys are reviewing patches as they come out on Tuesday and
releasing exploits trying to catch users who aren't patched yet, and
they're good enough at it that it's taking less then a day to not only
review the patch, but develop and release a working exploit into the
wild.

While I'm not a big fan of taking control out of the user's hands for
any reason, the folks who decide to not reboot may well be the ones who
get exploited between the time they install patches and get around to
allowing the system to reboot.

The power users who can figure out how to change the mandatory reboot
options are the ones who will know how to clean up after an exploit (and
frankly, are the ones that will even notice when they ARE compromised)

But I have an XP App that "Must" run and so automated rebooting is not
possible. If that app is interrupted without steps being taken to
monitor the process it controls then problems occur.

 

[Charlie Tame]

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:

Yeah, Allchin jumped ship too just in time.

Well I'm sorry but in a matter of a few months things seem to have gone
all to hell. I am not averse to MS trying to improve security or protect
their proprietary work, and I understand that to sell to DRM producers
they have to try and implement what their customers (The producers)
want, but some recent events seem to demonstrate the flaws in both
products and philosophy far better than they demonstrate anything good
about them.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <#[email protected]> Charlie Tame

But I have an XP App that "Must" run and so automated rebooting is not
possible. If that app is interrupted without steps being taken to
monitor the process it controls then problems occur.

Then configure your system to act appropriately, or hire someone to do
it for you.

Windows' defaults are designed to work for your average user, if you
have special needs, you may need to reconfigure.

 

[Leythos]

my whole point was that Automatic

While things are different in Oz, "Automatic" does imply "automatic".

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[Leythos]

pcbutts1??

No, he wasn't worth the space in the kill file - he's just a dumb little
hack old man that has no life and no friends except those he fakes into
visiting his porno website.

My last KF entry as in the late 80's, before MS even became aware of
Usenet.

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[Charlie Tame]

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Then configure your system to act appropriately, or hire someone to do
it for you.

Windows' defaults are designed to work for your average user, if you
have special needs, you may need to reconfigure.

Which I have done, but that is not a task the average users expects, A
lot are aware of the update settings dialog but probably not aware of
the wider implications of it's various settings.