How DARE MS shut down my PC automatically to install updates!!

[David]

There is an article, I believe it is on PCMAG.com, about this issue.
There is an easy work around.
Either always do your updates with administrator privileges or give
the standard user privileges to stop the reboot.
caver1

guess u didnt read my earlier post--i turned off updates altogether, but
thank you for your suggestion!

Dave

 

[Leythos]

1. yes

2. no
3. i just disabled updating TODAY after vista rebooted me automatically
for the first time ever.

does that make sense to you? hope so. my arm still hurts and its hard
to type,

So, you had automatic updated enabled, it updated, it rebooted, and
you're complaining.

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
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[Leythos]

Most people don't equate "Automatic Update" with "Automatic reboot".

No software should ever automatically reboot the computer unless
explicitly being allowed to do so and this permission only being valid
for that one single-time.

On a home computer an automatic reboot may not be all that disastrous
(though still most certainly could be). No extended harm is going to come
from someone losing their solitaire high score. But on an office computer
however, such results could be extremely disastrous and result in severe
data loss.

As of today, having been with windows for many moons, the only machines
I've seen install and reboot are ones were the user had enabled
automatic updates (which could also reboot) and was not currently logged
into the computer. Additionally, for a user to install updates manually,
they have to make that choice, so there is no loss of data unless they
permit it.

No person of sound mind has their servers set to auto-update, not one
sane person does that. With almost 3000 nodes under our control we've
never had a machine corrupt data because of automatic updates.

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[David]

So, you had automatic updated enabled, it updated, it rebooted, and
you're complaining.

u STILL don't get it!!!
no wonder i wanted to stop discussing this with you.
now go away.

 

[Leythos]

u STILL don't get it!!!
no wonder i wanted to stop discussing this with you.
now go away.

Yea, I do - you explained it - you had automatic updates enabled and it
rebooted your computer while you were using it. If you didn't want that
to happen then you should not have had automatic updates enabled.

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[David]

u are hell bent on twisting the facts. now go away.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different
result. It's insanity to try to get thru to you. believe what u will.
u still got the scenario wrong. enjoy your delusions..

 

[Leythos]

u are hell bent on twisting the facts. now go away.

I've repeated what you said, if you can't get your facts correct them
you've got a problem.

Maybe if you could keep your story on a single path you might have some
credibility.

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[David]

I've repeated what you said, if you can't get your facts correct them
you've got a problem.

Maybe if you could keep your story on a single path you might have some
credibility.

plonk. i cant deal with morons.

 

[Leythos]

plonk. i cant deal with morons.

Yea, you misstate or can't understand what you've written and you call
me a Moron - you could have corrected me the first time I asked, but you
got snippy. It's obvious that you're trolling and your plonk is just
another example of your small mindedness.

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[norm]

There is an article, I believe it is on PCMAG.com, about this issue.
There is an easy work around.
Either always do your updates with administrator privileges or give the
standard user privileges to stop the reboot.
caver1

There usually are ways to work around issues. However, given that ms
recommends that vista be run as standard user (and even offers reasons
to do so at setup), once the updates are started under standard user
privileges, there is no way to stop the reboot. One will find out about
this issue only after the fact. The issue boils down to just who has
control of of any given computer. One only may be licensed by ms to use
vista, but that license should not give ms free reign to arbitrarily
turn off one's machine at their whim. Certainly the user should be given
the respect of at least asking whether or not the machine should be shut
down. In the smaller scope of things, this issue may seem minor, but
taken with some other things that ms has done lately to draw the ire of
the consumer, one wonders if they even care.

 

[Adam Albright]

Yea, you misstate or can't understand what you've written and you call
me a Moron - you could have corrected me the first time I asked, but you
got snippy. It's obvious that you're trolling and your plonk is just
another example of your small mindedness.

What should all the 'plonking' you done be called?

 

[Leythos]

What should all the 'plonking' you done be called?

I've only plonked one person in all my years (since 84) of being on
Usenet. You could be the second, but it doesn't serve any purpose.

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Adam Albright]

I've only plonked one person in all my years (since 84) of being on
Usenet. You could be the second, but it doesn't serve any purpose.

What purpose are you trying to achieve? I think you're doing damn good
job at being a pompous ass that keeps acting like we all must have
been waiting for you to show up and sit on the floor in a circle so
you could start pontificating.

 

[Charlie Tame]

There usually are ways to work around issues. However, given that ms
recommends that vista be run as standard user (and even offers reasons
to do so at setup), once the updates are started under standard user
privileges, there is no way to stop the reboot. One will find out about
this issue only after the fact. The issue boils down to just who has
control of of any given computer. One only may be licensed by ms to use
vista, but that license should not give ms free reign to arbitrarily
turn off one's machine at their whim. Certainly the user should be given
the respect of at least asking whether or not the machine should be shut
down. In the smaller scope of things, this issue may seem minor, but
taken with some other things that ms has done lately to draw the ire of
the consumer, one wonders if they even care.

No they don't, but they may very well have to start. This is pure
belligerence by the likes of the Ballmer idiot and those of his ilk who
are now so completely out of touch with reality they consider their
stupidity to be the mark of success. I suspect that Bill Gates saw this
coming and chose to opt out

 

[Stephan Rose]

As of today, having been with windows for many moons, the only machines
I've seen install and reboot are ones were the user had enabled
automatic updates (which could also reboot) and was not currently logged
into the computer. Additionally, for a user to install updates manually,
they have to make that choice, so there is no loss of data unless they
permit it.

Oh come on. I've seen both XP and Vista do their automatic reboot thing
WITH me logged in. I am most certainly NOT imagining the dialog that has
a timer counting down until the reboot occurs with nothing that can be
done against it (that was under XP). I forget off the top of my head how
Vista did it.

No person of sound mind has their servers set to auto-update, not one
sane person does that. With almost 3000 nodes under our control we've
never had a machine corrupt data because of automatic updates.

Servers? Now when did I say anything about servers....

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[Leythos]

Oh come on. I've seen both XP and Vista do their automatic reboot thing
WITH me logged in. I am most certainly NOT imagining the dialog that has
a timer counting down until the reboot occurs with nothing that can be
done against it (that was under XP). I forget off the top of my head how
Vista did it.

Never seen it on a computer that didn't have automatic updates enabled.

Servers? Now when did I say anything about servers....

Yea, I was skim reading and saw "Severe" as server - but the same thing
holds - if you are doing something critical then you should not have
automatic updates enabled.

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> Charlie Tame

No they don't, but they may very well have to start. This is pure
belligerence by the likes of the Ballmer idiot and those of his ilk who
are now so completely out of touch with reality they consider their
stupidity to be the mark of success. I suspect that Bill Gates saw this
coming and chose to opt out

It's a balancing act -- Ever heard of "Exploit Wednesday"?

The bad guys are reviewing patches as they come out on Tuesday and
releasing exploits trying to catch users who aren't patched yet, and
they're good enough at it that it's taking less then a day to not only
review the patch, but develop and release a working exploit into the
wild.

While I'm not a big fan of taking control out of the user's hands for
any reason, the folks who decide to not reboot may well be the ones who
get exploited between the time they install patches and get around to
allowing the system to reboot.

The power users who can figure out how to change the mandatory reboot
options are the ones who will know how to clean up after an exploit (and
frankly, are the ones that will even notice when they ARE compromised)

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <eu#[email protected]> norm

There usually are ways to work around issues. However, given that ms
recommends that vista be run as standard user (and even offers reasons
to do so at setup), once the updates are started under standard user
privileges, there is no way to stop the reboot. One will find out about
this issue only after the fact. The issue boils down to just who has
control of of any given computer. One only may be licensed by ms to use
vista, but that license should not give ms free reign to arbitrarily
turn off one's machine at their whim. Certainly the user should be given
the respect of at least asking whether or not the machine should be shut
down. In the smaller scope of things, this issue may seem minor, but
taken with some other things that ms has done lately to draw the ire of
the consumer, one wonders if they even care.

It's also worth noting that you can configure updating behaviour. For
example, on my network I use a group policy which doesn't force a reboot
if a user is logged on, it just nags them once in a while.

 

[Nick Simpson]

There actually is a timer. It gives you 3 selections usually. One is like
10 minutes, another an hour, another is 4 hours. If you happen to be away
from the computer, it will restart by itself. That is part of the
'automatic updates'. If you don't like it, customize your schedule so that
either the installation is at a time when you aren't using your computer or
set the installation to prompt you (download updates, prompt for
installation).

I'm familiar with all of this, because I have customized these settings for
my domain users via Group Policies. I don't like having updates be
installed, but then the computer not restarted for days or weeks at a time.
I've had users complain because they were in the middle of something. My
response to them is if you are in the middle of something, it will show you
the countdown. If you aren't at your computer to see the countdown because
you went to do something else, you should have saved your work anyway like
any reasonable, responsible person would do.

NS

 

[norm]

In message <eu#[email protected]> norm


It's also worth noting that you can configure updating behaviour. For
example, on my network I use a group policy which doesn't force a reboot
if a user is logged on, it just nags them once in a while.

I have no issue with that fact. There are some, maybe many, that can do
what you have done or configure updating behavior in ways other than
available to the standard user. Therein lies the crux of the matter. The
standard user isn't given ANY choice other than what ms feels should be
a default that removes yet another piece of user control out of the
user's hands.