How can I speed up Vista

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Will_S

Am happy with games , picture viewing etc when they finally open. Take a
picture ...click on it and it takes so much longer then my old XP machine to
open it but then if I click on next pic it is quick. Or when I start a game
I g make a cup of coffee, go to the toilet and when I get back its just
about ready to start. Even games like Crysis run ok when started.


Now its new system with enough grunt so is a problem with Vista ?
 
A

AlexB

Buy 2 more Gbs of RAM. Vista wants to check your games for viruses, etc, etc
to protect your ass from foreign terrorists, etc. It is not necessarily a
bad thing. Once the game is loaded, it runs.It is a security obsessed OS. It
has been clearly stated from the very beginning. Live with it. Be thankful.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Buy 2 more Gbs of RAM.


*Terrible* advice. You don't even know how much he already has.

Two points:

1. Depending on how much RAM he already has, adding 2 more GB may do
exactly nothing. For example, assuming he's running 32-bit Vista, if
he already has 3GB, adding 2GB more will barely (if at all) even be
seen by Windows.

2. How much RAM someone needs for good performance depends on what
apps he needs. If he already has enough RAM To keep him from using the
page file, adding more does nothing but waste his money. For most
people running Vista with a mix of common business applications, 2GB
already keeps him from using the page file. Only for those running
particularly memory-hungry applications (and from his message below,
there's no way to tell if he falls into that category) will more than
2GB provide *any* performance boost.

How much memory you need for good performance is *not* a
one-size-fits-all thing.
 
W

Will_S

Ken Blake said:
*Terrible* advice. You don't even know how much he already has.

Two points:

1. Depending on how much RAM he already has, adding 2 more GB may do
exactly nothing. For example, assuming he's running 32-bit Vista, if
he already has 3GB, adding 2GB more will barely (if at all) even be
seen by Windows.

2. How much RAM someone needs for good performance depends on what
apps he needs. If he already has enough RAM To keep him from using the
page file, adding more does nothing but waste his money. For most
people running Vista with a mix of common business applications, 2GB
already keeps him from using the page file. Only for those running
particularly memory-hungry applications (and from his message below,
there's no way to tell if he falls into that category) will more than
2GB provide *any* performance boost.

How much memory you need for good performance is *not* a
one-size-fits-all thing.


have a 8800gts/intel6850/2gb dual chanel ram
 
A

AlexB

Good point but I've made an educated guess. I am wondering what his RAM
really is.
*Terrible* advice. You don't even know how much he already has.

Your explanation is bookmarked.

Thanks
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

have a 8800gts/intel6850/2gb dual chanel ram


Then, unless you are running especially memory-hungry applications
(doing things like graphics- or video-editing) is any more RAM likely
to help you at all.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Good point but I've made an educated guess.


OK, but then better advice might have been something like "If you
don't have at least 2GB or RAM, upgrade to that amount." As your
statement read, it could readily have led him to take the wrong
action.

I am wondering what his RAM
really is.


2GB, as he said in a subsequent message. It's highly unlikely that he
needs any more.

Your explanation is bookmarked.

Thanks


You're welcome. Glad to help.
 
D

Donald L McDaniel

Am happy with games , picture viewing etc when they finally open. Take a
picture ...click on it and it takes so much longer then my old XP machine to
open it but then if I click on next pic it is quick. Or when I start a game
I g make a cup of coffee, go to the toilet and when I get back its just
about ready to start. Even games like Crysis run ok when started.


Now its new system with enough grunt so is a problem with Vista ?

Vista does have a few problems, which SP1 corrects, more or less.


A few suggestions I have found which DO work speeding Vista up:
Above all, make sure your system has the fastest Core2 Duo processor
you can afford, the fastest and most memory your MB will support, and
the best and fastest Video card you can afford.

1) Download and install (or purchase for about $10 from Microsoft) the
Vista SP1 Release Candidate. This will speed up Vista's response to
almost everything. Especially media files of all kinds.
2) MAKE SURE any "dual-channel memory" is installed CORRECTLY. I
found this one out by noticing that my memory was running at 333MHz,
rather than the speed I purchased. This was caused by the one who
built my machine, supposedly a gonzo tech for Pacific Solutions in
Portland. He put BOTH 2GB sticks into slots 0 and 1, Channel A,
rather than ONE in Channel A, slot 0, and ONE in Channel B, slot 0
(this is the CORRECT method of installing matched dual-channel
memory).

I suspected this was the correct installation method to have
dual-channel memory work properly under Vista, so I made a call to
their support for permission to open the case, who ALL advised me that
doing that would make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to the speed of my
Micron memory. I assure you, I will NEVER purchase a machine from
them again, nor will I ever allow them to work on my machine again.

Once I opened the case and put the memory sticks in their PROPER
channels/slots, I gained an EXTRA half-point on my Vista Performance
Score.

It was at 5.0 (because it was NOT installed as dual-channel memory),
and is now reporting a VPC of 5.5. Additionally, Windows now displays
my memory speed at 667MHZ, as it is supposed to be, rather than
333MHz.

3) The BEST ways to speed up Vista:
a) Buy a modern computer, with a minimum of 2GB DUAL-CHANNEL @667MHz
(matched pairs) memory. Make SURE the builder installs this memory
correctly, as Dual-Channel. Otherwise, it will run at about half its
rated speed.

b) Install the newest drivers for all your devices. DON'T use drivers
which are NOT rated for Vista.

c) Save all downloads to a separate external drive.

d) The larger the HD is, the better Vista will run.

e) Give Vista and your user-programs a MINIMUM of 120GB. The more,
the better.

f) Do NOT separate your System and Data partitions, as was helpful
under DOS and earlier versions of Windows. It doesn't help at all,
other than (maybe) making your next install a little easier.
REMEMBER, the reason for separating system and data partitions was if
your System partition became corrupted.

If the drive itself goes bad, this will not help at all. In fact, if
your data and downloaded program installers were on that drive, you
will have lost it all if the drive goes bad anyway (unless you have
fairly-expensive recovery software and a free weekend to attempt to
recover the data.) Even then, depending on how damaged your data
partition is, you will still have a good chance of losing it all.

This is why I save my downloaded program files on an EXTERNAL drive,
rather than the same drive I installed Vista on. Additionally, I back
up all my user-data to my external drive(s) on a regular basis. This
makes it extremely easy to reinstall my entire system in an hour or
two, if necessary.

Of course, I could use something like Norton Ghost, and just reinstall
a disk image, in only a few minutes (maybe 45 minutes maximum -- I
have a 500GB system drive)

g) Purchase the BEST video card you can afford, making sure it has a
MINIMUM of 256MB of on-card DD3 memory (if possible) for EACH display
you plan on using with it.

("g", above is extrememly important, especially if you use two or more
displays at the same time. Otherwise, the on-card memory assigned to
your displays will be divided among all displays.)

h) If you find certain programs are slowing down Vista (and they
aren't provided with Vista), get rid of the suckers, and find ones
which don't. Of course, all programs will slow Vista down somewhat,
so never expect to get the full advertised speed of your devices and
programs.

i) FULLY defrag your System partition on a regular basis (at least
once per week).

j) Check for (and install) Vista upgrades on a regular basis, making
sure you use Microsoft Update. This will display ALL Microsoft
updates for installed Microsoft products . Otherwise, it will show
ONLY available updates for the OS itself.

Hope this helps someone...

Donald L.McDaniel
Please reply to original thread and newsgroup.
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D

Donald L McDaniel

Ok............have done a couple of the things and it is quicker

thanks

Your link lead me to some very good information, Shawn...
I have book-marked it for further investigation.

Thank you


Donald L.McDaniel
Please reply to original thread and newsgroup.
================================================
 
T

thetruthhurts

Why do you think RAM is so cheap right now? There is a world wide
glut due to the anticipation of Vista implementations that never
materialized. The RAM manufacturers knew Vista would need a lot more
memory for the average user, they just did forsee what a big flop
Vista was going to be.

So lets see, believe the RAM manufacturers or you? Hmmmmmmmm
 
F

Frank

thetruthhurts said:
Why do you think RAM is so cheap right now? There is a world wide
glut due to the anticipation of Vista implementations that never
materialized. The RAM manufacturers knew Vista would need a lot more
memory for the average user, they just did forsee what a big flop
Vista was going to be.

So lets see, believe the RAM manufacturers or you? Hmmmmmmmm

Hey capin' crunch...you're an idiot! Give it up as*hole...nobody cares
about your bs Vista rants.
Frank
 
W

Will_S

Donald L McDaniel said:
Vista does have a few problems, which SP1 corrects, more or less.


A few suggestions I have found which DO work speeding Vista up:
Above all, make sure your system has the fastest Core2 Duo processor
you can afford, the fastest and most memory your MB will support, and
the best and fastest Video card you can afford.

1) Download and install (or purchase for about $10 from Microsoft) the
Vista SP1 Release Candidate. This will speed up Vista's response to
almost everything. Especially media files of all kinds.
2) MAKE SURE any "dual-channel memory" is installed CORRECTLY. I
found this one out by noticing that my memory was running at 333MHz,
rather than the speed I purchased. This was caused by the one who
built my machine, supposedly a gonzo tech for Pacific Solutions in
Portland. He put BOTH 2GB sticks into slots 0 and 1, Channel A,
rather than ONE in Channel A, slot 0, and ONE in Channel B, slot 0
(this is the CORRECT method of installing matched dual-channel
memory).

I suspected this was the correct installation method to have
dual-channel memory work properly under Vista, so I made a call to
their support for permission to open the case, who ALL advised me that
doing that would make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to the speed of my
Micron memory. I assure you, I will NEVER purchase a machine from
them again, nor will I ever allow them to work on my machine again.

Once I opened the case and put the memory sticks in their PROPER
channels/slots, I gained an EXTRA half-point on my Vista Performance
Score.

It was at 5.0 (because it was NOT installed as dual-channel memory),
and is now reporting a VPC of 5.5. Additionally, Windows now displays
my memory speed at 667MHZ, as it is supposed to be, rather than
333MHz.

3) The BEST ways to speed up Vista:
a) Buy a modern computer, with a minimum of 2GB DUAL-CHANNEL @667MHz
(matched pairs) memory. Make SURE the builder installs this memory
correctly, as Dual-Channel. Otherwise, it will run at about half its
rated speed.

b) Install the newest drivers for all your devices. DON'T use drivers
which are NOT rated for Vista.

c) Save all downloads to a separate external drive.

d) The larger the HD is, the better Vista will run.

e) Give Vista and your user-programs a MINIMUM of 120GB. The more,
the better.

f) Do NOT separate your System and Data partitions, as was helpful
under DOS and earlier versions of Windows. It doesn't help at all,
other than (maybe) making your next install a little easier.
REMEMBER, the reason for separating system and data partitions was if
your System partition became corrupted.

If the drive itself goes bad, this will not help at all. In fact, if
your data and downloaded program installers were on that drive, you
will have lost it all if the drive goes bad anyway (unless you have
fairly-expensive recovery software and a free weekend to attempt to
recover the data.) Even then, depending on how damaged your data
partition is, you will still have a good chance of losing it all.

This is why I save my downloaded program files on an EXTERNAL drive,
rather than the same drive I installed Vista on. Additionally, I back
up all my user-data to my external drive(s) on a regular basis. This
makes it extremely easy to reinstall my entire system in an hour or
two, if necessary.

Of course, I could use something like Norton Ghost, and just reinstall
a disk image, in only a few minutes (maybe 45 minutes maximum -- I
have a 500GB system drive)

g) Purchase the BEST video card you can afford, making sure it has a
MINIMUM of 256MB of on-card DD3 memory (if possible) for EACH display
you plan on using with it.

("g", above is extrememly important, especially if you use two or more
displays at the same time. Otherwise, the on-card memory assigned to
your displays will be divided among all displays.)

h) If you find certain programs are slowing down Vista (and they
aren't provided with Vista), get rid of the suckers, and find ones
which don't. Of course, all programs will slow Vista down somewhat,
so never expect to get the full advertised speed of your devices and
programs.

i) FULLY defrag your System partition on a regular basis (at least
once per week).

j) Check for (and install) Vista upgrades on a regular basis, making
sure you use Microsoft Update. This will display ALL Microsoft
updates for installed Microsoft products . Otherwise, it will show
ONLY available updates for the OS itself.

Hope this helps someone...

Donald L.McDaniel
Please reply to original thread and newsgroup.
================================================

Well have a dual core 6850, 2 gig Corsair 8500 memory in dual channel , 2
500 gig samsung drives as well as a 8800gts VGa card


As for SP1 RC...well will wait on that

I have Vista save all my pics/music/downloads to my 2nd Samsung drive so if
I evr need to reinstall Vista I already have my data saved

Anyway I may do a defrag now.......the trouble is that they seem to take
ages
 
F

Frank

thetruthhurts said:
Not much to say on that one in terms of facts eh, Bozo?
Hey as*hole! I fail to see any factual evidence of anything you're said
thus far.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
Frank
 

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