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Guest

I have 1st windows 98 PC with 2 network card(NIC), one NIC connect to ADSL
modem, and another connect to my new Win XP PC. Both PC connect with Cat 5
cable.

The problem is, when I plug in the cable to 2 computer, the NIC did not have
the light on. What is hapenning? Can anyone please help

Thank you
 
C

Chuck

I have 1st windows 98 PC with 2 network card(NIC), one NIC connect to ADSL
modem, and another connect to my new Win XP PC. Both PC connect with Cat 5
cable.

The problem is, when I plug in the cable to 2 computer, the NIC did not have
the light on. What is hapenning? Can anyone please help

Thank you
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Huazhi,

Are you using a cross-over Cat 5 cable to connect the two computers? A normal
path cable (straight-thru Cat 5) won't work here.
 
G

Guest

nvm, I cramp the cable already to cross over, the light now on.

And now, what should I config ip in to my NIC? the modem already config to
192.168.1.1
 
C

Chuck

how to cross? I means how to arange the color small cable inside cat 5?
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Huazhi,

There are sites on the web that will tell you the details of construction, but I
can't find them right now. I will tell you, from experience, taht if you just
need one cable, it's far cheaper to buy one from your local store (or mail
order) than to construct one yourself.

It's easy to make a mistake with Cat5 cable construction, if you don't have
experience. Buy one, please, for everybody's sake.
 
C

Chuck

nvm, I cramp the cable already to cross over, the light now on.

And now, what should I config ip in to my NIC? the modem already config to
192.168.1.1
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Use anything like 192.168.0.x.
 
G

Guest

I can see my share folder now. but I can not ping to host, Can I use win98 as
host for ICS, and winXP as client?
 
C

Chuck

I can see my share folder now. but I can not ping to host, Can I use win98 as
host for ICS, and winXP as client?
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If your internet service is on the Win98 computer, then yes, you can run ICS
there and provide service to the WinXP computer.

Can you open the shared folder, in addition to seeing it?

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net
 
G

Guest

I can open my share folder. and I have install ICS, but I still can not
browse Internet from WinXP, I try to ping all IP address but there are
request time out

Modem :192.168.1.1
ICS: 192.168.1.2
Win98 PC: 192.168.1.3
WinXP PC: 192.168.1.4

Subnet: 255.255.255.0

What should I do now?
 
G

Guest

I checked

Win98(ICS Host) can see and access WinXP
Win98 can ping WinXP

but

WinXP can not see or access Win98
WinXP can not ping Win98
WinXP already disable the build in firewall
 
C

Chuck

I checked

Win98(ICS Host) can see and access WinXP
Win98 can ping WinXP

but

WinXP can not see or access Win98
WinXP can not ping Win98
WinXP already disable the build in firewall
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Huazhi,

What cable are you using to connect your computers? Is this one that (you
impled earlier) you built by hand? Cables can be built by hand, but you need to
test them before trying to use them in a network. Learning about building
cables, by building just one, is a waste of time and money. Please go to the
store and buy a pre-made, tested, cross-over cable.

If I'm making an erroneous assumption, and you in fact have a good network
connection between the two computers, let's try and diagnose your problem.
Provide ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd". Type "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window - Open c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, make sure that Format - Word Wrap is
NOT checked!, copy and paste entire contents into your next post. Identify
operating system (by name, version, and SP level) with each ipconfig listing.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net
 
G

Guest

I think the network cable work fine. I can see from my WinXP with 100Mb/s.
and now i can use it for files and folder sharing. (I can see and access both
user share folder as well). now I can't browse Internet from my second PC.

Here is the config for the 1st PC, name as T50(Win98, ICS Host)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : T50.mshome

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 202.188.0.133

202.188.1.5

Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast

NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No

NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes


0 Ethernet adapter :


Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 219.95.37.70

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 219.95.37.70

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM


1 Ethernet adapter :


Description . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM Network Connection

Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-02-A5-1A-56-13

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . :


2 Ethernet adapter :


Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC

Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-08-54-38-12-1D

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . :


And this my the 2nd PC, name as T51(WinXP, ICS Client)
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Windows IP Configuration


Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : T51

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:


Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DFE-538TX 10/100 Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-BA-BD-37-97

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

192.168.1.2

192.168.0.1

202.188.0.133

202.188.1.5
 
C

Chuck

I think the network cable work fine. I can see from my WinXP with 100Mb/s.
and now i can use it for files and folder sharing. (I can see and access both
user share folder as well). now I can't browse Internet from my second PC.
Click to expand...

<SNIP IPConfig data for two PCs>

Huazhi,

Before continuing, I have to ask why you have ADSL, with an Ethernet modem, and
you aren't using a broadband router? That is, by far, the best solution - far
easier to get working, and to setup effective and supportable protection.

That said, let's see if we can diagnose your problem.

This from the IPConfig for T51:

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

192.168.1.2

192.168.0.1

202.188.0.133

202.188.1.5

If you set T51 to use Auto-Configuration, it will get the right settings from
ICS on T50.mshome. As it is, the Default Gateway and DNS Server list are way
off.

Enable DHCP on T51, get internet service working, then we'll continue.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net
 
G

Guest

Chuck,

If I get the ADSL router, do I still need the ICS and with the same config?
or is it an another way of configuration?


Now I have change my T51 obtain an IP automatically and obtain DNS server
automatically. What to do next?
 
C

Chuck

Chuck,

If I get the ADSL router, do I still need the ICS and with the same config?
or is it an another way of configuration?


Now I have change my T51 obtain an IP automatically and obtain DNS server
automatically. What to do next?
Click to expand...

Huazhi,

With an ADSL router, you won't need ICS. The router will be a gateway, plus a
DHCP server. And each computer will have internet service, regardless of the
status of the other.

Now that T51 has DHCP enabled, does it have internet service? How about file
sharing? Post an updated IPConfig log, and let's take it from there.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

This is the latest config. T51 still don't have Internet service, but I can
access files and folder.

Windows 98 IP Configuration


Host Name . . . . . . . . . : T50.mshome

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 202.188.0.133

202.188.1.5

Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast

NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No

NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes



0 Ethernet adapter :



Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 219.95.37.233

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 219.95.37.233

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM



1 Ethernet adapter :



Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC

Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-08-54-38-12-1D

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . :



2 Ethernet adapter :



Description . . . . . . . . : ICSHARE Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-02-A5-1A-56-13

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . :




Windows XP IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : T51

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DFE-538TX 10/100 Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-BA-BD-37-97

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 202.188.0.133

202.188.1.5

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, January 25, 2005
2:50:26 AM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, January 26, 2005
2:50:26 AM
 
C

Chuck

This is the latest config. T51 still don't have Internet service, but I can
access files and folder.
Click to expand...

Huazhi,

Is that an improvement, or just a change?

Exactly what could you do (yesterday), and couldn't do, and from / to which
computer? And today? Yes/No for all 8 questions please.

Yesterday
Access files on A from B
Access files on B from A
Access internet from A
Access internet from B

Today
Access files on A from B
Access files on B from A
Access internet from A
Access internet from B

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

Yesterday
Access files on A from B; Result: Yes
Access files on B from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from B; Result: No

Today
Access files on A from B; Result: Yes
Access files on B from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from B; Result: No

Addition Information for you
With Firewall enable
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to Yahoo.com; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.1; Result: No
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.1; Result: No
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.2; Result: No
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to yahoo.com Result: No

With Firewall disable or setup an advance rule to allow all trafic
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to Yahoo.com; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.1; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.1; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.2; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to yahoo.com Result: No
 
C

Chuck

Yesterday
Access files on A from B; Result: Yes
Access files on B from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from B; Result: No

Today
Access files on A from B; Result: Yes
Access files on B from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from A; Result: Yes
Access internet from B; Result: No

Addition Information for you
With Firewall enable
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to Yahoo.com; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.1; Result: No
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.1; Result: No
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.2; Result: No
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to yahoo.com Result: No

With Firewall disable or setup an advance rule to allow all trafic
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.1 to Yahoo.com; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.1; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.1; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.1.2; Result: Yes
Ping from 192.168.0.2 to yahoo.com Result: No
Click to expand...

Huazhi,

I like your attention to detail. Good analytics. Is 1/20 = yesterday?

I think you have 2 problems with your pings.
1) Firewall needs tweaking. What firewall is it? How do you disable it?
2) With the firewall tweaked, you can do everything but access (ping) websites
(Yahoo). Can you access (ping) ANY websites?

Is this an MTU issue?
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314825
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=319661

Rhetorical question: Why did anything work on T51 yesterday?
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
192.168.1.2
192.168.0.1
202.188.0.133
202.188.1.5

Second rhetorical question: Why don't we have any improvement today?
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 202.188.0.133
202.188.1.5

<mode=extreme sarcasm>I love computers</mode>

I'm still not clear on what you did 1/20 8:29 PST. Did you actually create a
cross-over cable by cutting a patch cable, and splicing with colours crossed?

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

Dear Chuck,

I am so glad to tell you that the problem resolved. The firewall
vendor(sygate) told me that about their software is not compatible with ICS.
That is why I'm not able to use the Internet service from my 2nd PC. Since it
is not compatible. so I just bought a router modem just now. It is so simple
to set it up if compare with ICS. just plug and play. And I can access the
Internet from both PCs as well as files/folder sharing.

I really appreciate that you help a long the way. Thank you for your time
and consideration. Thank you so much, thank you, thank you,thank
you.........................

*How I disable the firewall? I just stop the firewall services from
startup(I am not sure whether is a correct way).

Anyway, Thank you very much again. Have a nice day

Regards,
Huazhi
 

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