Getting old HP SCSI Scanners to work on a Vista laptop -- Here's how.

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PTravel

I have a couple of workhorse HP scanners -- an old 6100 and an ancient IIcx.
Both are SCSI interface, only, and no longer support by HP.

Getting them to work under Vista involved a two-step.

First, I got Vuescan software and installed the Vuescan drivers for these
scanners. That was the easy part.

The harder part was getting a functional SCSI port running that the scanners
would recognize. I found two ways, though the second, I think, is superior
to the first. For either one, you may have to find some SCSI gender
changers or format changers. SCSI cables come in many "flavors" but
adapters exist to go from one to the other.

Method 1: Adaptec makes a Cardbus SCSI card, the 1480B, that is
Vista-compatible. This worked reasonably well with the Vuescan software,
less well with third-party software (Acrobat, Word, etc.) which would choke
on multi-page scans using the Automatic Document Feeder. Of course, this
also required inserting the Adaptec Cardbus card each time I started it up
the computer (it travels from the office to home and back each day). For
occassional scanning, this works fine. I found a 1480B card on eBay for
under $30.

Method 2: I had searched in vain for years for a decent USB to SCSI adapter
for my old XP laptop. The most common one, Microtech, simply didn't work
reliably (and, apparently, the company is no longer around) and wouldn't
even install under Vista. Last week, however, I came across a USB to SCSI
interface manufactured by Ratoc. Unlike the Microtech, this isn't a cheap,
kludgy adapter. Ratoc, a Japanese company, manufacturers a range of
higher-end SCSI and similar adapters. The USB to SCSI one was around $100
and, best of all, Ratoc has written Vista drivers for it. You can see it
here: http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/U2SCX.html. It installed
without a hitch (note: it takes its power from the SCSI device, so you'll
have to have the scanner plugged in to the adapter and turned on when you
install it). I still relied on the scanner drivers installed by Vuescan
rather than HP's original Win2000 drivers, and, not surprisingly, Vuescan
works fine. Best of all, however, is that third-party software works fine
now and even HP's useful DeskCopy tool works perfectly. Because it's a USB
device, I just have it plugged in to a USB hub which, in turn, connects to
my laptop's docking station -- no more putting in and removing the Cardbus
card. I just set my laptop in the docking station and I'm good to go.
Incidently, I have no connection with Ratoc, other than I bought an adapter
from them. They impressed me, though -- at one point I had to call their
tech support line and it was answered immediately by someone who was
completely competent to address any technical issues. This is a rare thing,
these days.

The scanners were the last pieces of legacy hardware that I couldn't get
going properly in Vista. Now that they're working, I have complete
compatibility with Vista and all of my legacy hardware and software.
 
B

Brian Bradley

Good to know! Thanks.

I have a couple of workhorse HP scanners -- an old 6100 and an ancient
IIcx. Both are SCSI interface, only, and no longer support by HP.

Getting them to work under Vista involved a two-step.

First, I got Vuescan software and installed the Vuescan drivers for these
scanners. That was the easy part.

The harder part was getting a functional SCSI port running that the
scanners would recognize. I found two ways, though the second, I think,
is superior to the first. For either one, you may have to find some SCSI
gender changers or format changers. SCSI cables come in many "flavors"
but adapters exist to go from one to the other.

Method 1: Adaptec makes a Cardbus SCSI card, the 1480B, that is
Vista-compatible. This worked reasonably well with the Vuescan software,
less well with third-party software (Acrobat, Word, etc.) which would
choke on multi-page scans using the Automatic Document Feeder. Of course,
this also required inserting the Adaptec Cardbus card each time I started
it up the computer (it travels from the office to home and back each day).
For occassional scanning, this works fine. I found a 1480B card on eBay
for under $30.

Method 2: I had searched in vain for years for a decent USB to SCSI
adapter for my old XP laptop. The most common one, Microtech, simply
didn't work reliably (and, apparently, the company is no longer around)
and wouldn't even install under Vista. Last week, however, I came across
a USB to SCSI interface manufactured by Ratoc. Unlike the Microtech, this
isn't a cheap, kludgy adapter. Ratoc, a Japanese company, manufacturers a
range of higher-end SCSI and similar adapters. The USB to SCSI one was
around $100 and, best of all, Ratoc has written Vista drivers for it. You
can see it here: http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/U2SCX.html.
It installed without a hitch (note: it takes its power from the SCSI
device, so you'll have to have the scanner plugged in to the adapter and
turned on when you install it). I still relied on the scanner drivers
installed by Vuescan rather than HP's original Win2000 drivers, and, not
surprisingly, Vuescan works fine. Best of all, however, is that
third-party software works fine now and even HP's useful DeskCopy tool
works perfectly. Because it's a USB device, I just have it plugged in to
a USB hub which, in turn, connects to my laptop's docking station -- no
more putting in and removing the Cardbus card. I just set my laptop in
the docking station and I'm good to go. Incidently, I have no connection
with Ratoc, other than I bought an adapter from them. They impressed me,
though -- at one point I had to call their tech support line and it was
answered immediately by someone who was completely competent to address
any technical issues. This is a rare thing, these days.

The scanners were the last pieces of legacy hardware that I couldn't get
going properly in Vista. Now that they're working, I have complete
compatibility with Vista and all of my legacy hardware and software.
 
H

huwyngr

I have a couple of workhorse HP scanners -- an old 6100 and an ancient IIcx. 
Both are SCSI interface, only, and no longer support by HP.

Although you can still get Deskscan 2.9 from their downloads.

I've been using my SJ5P under W2K, XP and now VISTA using that since Fax & Scan
doesn't want to know it. I'm lucky that I use an Adaptec 19160 controller card
which has the right external socket for the HP cable since I needed this for
may scsi hard drives (still using one under VISTA) and so all my scsi stuff was
recognized by VISTA from boot up.

The 19160 card is nice with 160 and 80 connections but I see it is selling for
over $200 !

You'll find several posts here from me about getting the older TWAIN scanners
working but you've added some new card information. I got rid of my 8-bit HP
card a long while ago!
 
H

huwyngr


I note they refer to the Hamrick software as if it were required?

Image Scanner (Windows or Mac OS X 10.3.4 with Hamrick VueScan 8.0.4 )

Film Scanner (Windows or Mac OS X 10.3.4 with Hamrick VueScan 8.0.4 )

I realize now that in your other quote you were not referring to HP's
Deskscan which is what I use under VISTA and earlier. Sorry about that.
 
P

PTravel

huwyngr said:
I note they refer to the Hamrick software as if it were required?

Image Scanner (Windows or Mac OS X 10.3.4 with Hamrick VueScan 8.0.4 )

Film Scanner (Windows or Mac OS X 10.3.4 with Hamrick VueScan 8.0.4 )

I realize now that in your other quote you were not referring to HP's
Deskscan which is what I use under VISTA and earlier. Sorry about that.

Actually Deskscan works fine with the Vuescan drivers and the Ratoc SCSI
adapter. I've got no TWAIN or WIA drivers installed for the HP scanners. I
don't know if the Vuescan drivers are required. I already had them
installed when I set up the Ratoc.

Also, I wasn't clear in my earlier post -- I've been trying to get the
scanners working on a laptop. It's probably a different situation with a
desktop as I'd expect there are a number of Vista-compatible SCSI cards.
 
H

huwyngr

Thanks for the background -- I'll bear in mind that USB-scsi card as an
alternative to PCMCIA-scsi that I used on my first Thinkpad T701C, the
one with the butterfly keyboard! I had a Panasonic 2x CDROM drive !
Learnt a lot about DOS and scsi <g>
 

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