free blackjack game

[Craig]

Adding additonal information is nice, but it wastes time...<stuff
deleted>...I just offer up my work....no gimmicks.

All;

I've d/l'd the three proggies that Dean (dwg AT dwgreer.net) has
mentioned in acf (the small area code app and the two java games).
Clamwin v0.88 reported no virus on any of the files.

The area code thingy is a one-trick pony that "just works(tm)." It's
lightweight and is no-install.

My experience with the two jre-based games were more problematic.

Using the urls posted for download did not work. It appears they were
malformed using combinations of forward- and back-slashes. I've
mentioned this to Dean. He may've fixed this by now.

"JavaJack" is not yet beta. From my experience to date (readme's,
installation, running, gui), every indication is that the current
version of JavaJack is very pre-release. In fact, Dean refers to
"javajack's" version as 0.3. If you enjoy being an active part of a
development project, this might be for you. Considering Dean offered
this to the group as a "completed" product is, well, unfortunate.

Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 5:15 pm

I have completed a new blackjack game and I have made it freely
available for download at this address
http://www.dwgreer.net/blackjack/javajack.html. Please send feedback
to (e-mail address removed).

"Vpoker," is listed as version 1.0. Although it is further along, it
still needs a fair amount of work to be a problem-free experience or
close to currently available offerings.

The developer, Dean, is responsive, articulate and eager for feedback.
Although some of his posts make him appear abrasive or dismissive of
others' efforts, his philosophy on software development is very encouraging:

What if the discoveries of Newton and Gauss were packaged and sold
only to those wealthy enough to read them? Or if they were copy
protected to prevent unauthorized reproduction? Where would science
be now? Have fun and hopefully you'll find something interesting.

In the end though, I can't currently recommend either JavaJack nor
Vpoker. On a personal note, I hope that as his programs mature so will
his views on engaging the greater freewre community.

-Craig

 

[Daniel Mandic]

I don't know too many people who will just take an anonymous poster's
word that a link to a program is a safe download. My advice to you is
that you submit your program to some of the more reputable freeware
websites like Nonags or Snapfiles for review.

HTH

Hi John!


Who is Nonags or Snapfiles, and who is UseNET????



If security is the primary object in any freeware related
communication, then forget it.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

You waste other people's time when you make them hunt for information.

You obviously talk of your own experience

Or having a florid fantasy!?

As webmaster of the Pricelessware site I need the type of information
that's shown on the Pricelessware and ACF web pages - sometimes it's
damned hard to come by. . .

Susan

Yes, but his posting lead straight to the Black-Jack Freeware.





Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

I have completed a new blackjack game and I have made it freely
available for download at this address
http://www.dwgreer.net/blackjack/javajack.html. Please send feedback
to (e-mail address removed).

Nice Games. I'll place it in my Freeware drawer.

Can you tell me a good link for JAVA-Icons - .jar files/icons. I see
only icons like .doc, or so :-(.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[dwg]

Youre so critical that you'd think that you paid for these three
programs. I like the feedback except for the hidden sarcasm. You seem
like a person who spends little or no time developing software. I'm
probably wrong about this...let me know and maybe I can try out one of
your programs. Your feedback reads more like psychological evaluation
than an evaluation of software. I have noticed no problems with the
links at all. I've navigated the site several times without problems.

 

[dwg]

my point is that the extra info is unecessary........clearly you missed
that.

 

[dwg]

I also want to let everyone know that the source code is now available.

 

[Craig]

I have noticed no problems with the links at all. I've navigated the
site several times without problems.

I apologize for not being more precise on this point. The urls for
VPoker and JavaJack appear to contain backslashes. So, for
example, VPoker's url reads as:

http://dwgreer.net/\vpoker\vpoker.html

My Mozilla 1.7.12 (which I regularly use) translates the backslash as
"%5C" and promptly chokes. My IE 6.x (which I only just tried) does
not. Have you seen the same behavior when checking with browsers other
than IE?

thanks,
-Craig

 

[John Corliss]

Hi John!
Who is Nonags or Snapfiles, and who is UseNET????

You're right. Links would have helped:

http://www.nonags.com/nonags/menu.html
http://www.webattack.com/freeware/freeware.html

and I'll throw in MajorGeeks too (because they clearly label their
software as to type) just for lack:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/

If security is the primary object in any freeware related
communication, then forget it.

Daniel,
Not sure I understand what you mean by that so here's a picture of a
bunny with a pancake on it's head:

http://www.syberpunk.com/images/oolong/pancake3.jpg

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett, Doc (who uses sock puppets)
or Roger Johansson, for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial
software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware,
spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[John Corliss]

Adding additonal information is nice, but it wastes time. If you look
at my programs, what additional info do you need other than maybe the
source code?(which is on the way for all of them) Download it, try it,

Maybe get a virus or some other kind of malware.

if it doesnt work...

Or hoses your system...

keep it movin and do something else.

Like a fresh reinstall of your entire OS and all programs, assuming that
the malware doesn't hose your BIOS.

Cobian's site also has gay graphics,asks for donations, and has no
mention of source code...things I'm adamantly against.

Cobian's program is also listed on several reputable freeware websites.
Even got mentioned in the latest copy of PC Magazine.

I dont have source on my
site either, but I am in the process of cleaning it up to post. The
site has only been up for four weeks and I've completed three programs
and a math paper. I just offer up my work....no gimmicks.

We have to take your word on that, and unfortunately, you've done
nothing to establish that your word is worth trusting. Or have you? Can
you point us to something that has?

Look.. what's to stop me from authoring a lovely virus, setting up a
download website for it using an alias and then inviting people to come
and download my new "game"?
That you're unable to see things from the viewpoint of a cautious end
user is to your disadvantage.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett, Doc (who uses sock puppets)
or Roger Johansson, for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial
software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware,
spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[dwg]

I dont know where you got these urls...I think I have correct urls in
all of my posts. I am stumped. Im not trying to dismiss you, but I
have not heard this from anyone else.

 

[dwg]

for the second time...the source for JavaJack and Vpoker are now posted
on the site. You guys will never discover anything useful on the
internet if you sit around and wait for a large organization to tell
you its ok to check it out. I'm not saying that my stuff is great, but
alot of great programs are not endorsed by large organizations. Was
EMACS endorsed by some magazine when it came out? What about 4.4BSD? I
would argue that the greatest free programs ever created had no
endorsement from a freeware site. I'm not comparing my crap to these
works of art, but sometimes you have to check something out.

 

[Craig]

I dont know where you got these urls...I think I have correct urls in
all of my posts. I am stumped. Im not trying to dismiss you, but I
have not heard this from anyone else.

Hey Dean;

You think you have the correct urls. Understood. When I try accessing
the urls with either Mozilla 1.7.12 or SeaMonkey 1.01, I get a broken
link. This happens for only JavaJack and VPoker.

This does not happen with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x.

Have you tried to reproduce this issue with browsers *other than*
Internet Explorer?

regard,
-Craig

p.s. if you interpolate my responses I'll be able to answer more
quickly/accurately.

 

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

for the second time...the source for JavaJack and Vpoker are now posted
on the site. You guys will never discover anything useful on the
internet if you sit around and wait for a large organization to tell
you its ok to check it out. I'm not saying that my stuff is great, but
alot of great programs are not endorsed by large organizations. Was
EMACS endorsed by some magazine when it came out? What about 4.4BSD? I
would argue that the greatest free programs ever created had no
endorsement from a freeware site. I'm not comparing my crap to these
works of art, but sometimes you have to check something out.

...for the last time (at least from me): we don't ask you to be endorsed
by someone, just GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT YOU AND THE PRODUCT AND
MORE PEOPLE WILL DOWNLOAD! And yes, i'm shouting now, because it does
not seemm that you're willing to listen.

And regarding the link /\ issue you're arrogant and only thinks IE
matters. With this kind of responsiveness (or lack of); you're just a
thin line away from being just another troll in this newsgroup,
unfortunelately.

regards from vegard

 

[Mr Negative]

Look.. what's to stop me from authoring a lovely virus, setting up a
download website for it using an alias and then inviting people to come
and download my new "game"?

Whats to stop you ? Ability ?

 

[John Corliss]

Since you not to quote my previous reply, I have put it back in to this
thread.

for the second time...the source for JavaJack and Vpoker are now posted
on the site.

And exactly what makes you believe that everybody knows how to program?

You guys will never discover anything useful on the
internet if you sit around and wait for a large organization to tell
you its ok to check it out.

So basically, you're saying that everybody should simply download and
install everything that's thrown at them from any source, know or
unknown. Sounds pretty irrational to me.

I'm not saying that my stuff is great, but
alot of great programs are not endorsed by large organizations. Was
EMACS endorsed by some magazine when it came out?

The GNU.org site is fairly reputable.

What about 4.4BSD?

So is the freebsd.org site. Your site, I've never heard of.

I would argue that the greatest free programs ever created had no
endorsement from a freeware site. I'm not comparing my crap to these
works of art, but sometimes you have to check something out.

Well, I've tried to simply give you what I think is good advice that
would serve you well, but you've chosen to respond by lashing out
defensively and in an illogical fashion. That in and of itself speaks
poorly for any program that you would write.

As for me, I won't try your program and would advise others to do likewise.

Over and out.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett, Doc (who uses sock puppets)
or Roger Johansson, for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial
software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware,
spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[John Corliss]

Whats to stop you ? Ability ?

In my case, yes. What's your point?

In the case of other people, nothing. And it's happened before, several
times.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett, Doc (who uses sock puppets)
or Roger Johansson, for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial
software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware,
spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[dwg]

A little clarification....4.4BSD was not created by the freebsd people
and Stallman developed EMACS before the GNU project existed. You guys
are way too negative and serious. I'm done arguing these trivial
points.

 

[Craig]

So...

After corresponding with Dean a few times, I've come to see his and my
misunderstandings.

Dean's current projects are all about learning coding. He's tossing his
projects' builds over the wall. No explanation other than an
announcement. Within the engineering communities I've been involved,
this is how it works. You finish a build of your project. You need
some extra eyes on it. You toss the build over. Rinse, repeat.
Problem is, he tossed the build over /our/ wall.

And we deal in products. Not builds.

I'm sure, by the way, that Luis, Melih & all the others can articulate
this better than I. Using a /product/ is entering into a relationship
where a dollop of trust is important. Using a project's /build/...well...

That's why we all have test platforms. Right? Right?

I know this is probably all very obvious stuff but now I get to why I
bother stating the obvious. Let's cut Dean a BIG SLICE of slack. Just
this once. Because Dean's new to this game. And in all the
conversations he and I've had he has consistently been responsive,
sincere and of good intention. His...mmm...diplomacy is a
tad...er...rusty but, he's learning and his heart is in the right place
(ie F/OSS). Importantly for us, he is one of the next wave of
programmers and engineers.

So, the "slack" I'll be giving him is this: I'm going to stop hammering
him on this thread via posts in acf. I'm going to drop him an email
/strongly/ urging that the next time he posts about a *build's*
availability, he not represent it as a completed, free product.

He stumbled a bit out of the gate. Let's help him get on his feet just
a tad here. Who knows? He might even come to value concepts such as
documentation, marketing and community.

Well, it's possible! <grin>

-Craig

 

[Craig]

I'm done arguing these trivial points.

No you're not.