Epson admits that using their tanks will void your warranty!

[Hecate]

Bottom line - Many people love their Epson printers and the photos they
produce. If they have eventually clogged with OEM or non-OEM inks the good
news is that nearly all head clogs can be completely cleared.
Unfortunately, the user manual only suggests the cleaning cycles from their
software. Luckily we have Arthur Entlich's cleaning manual as a resource
for going beyond clicking the head cleaning button, and almost all Epson
(and many other printers) can be restored to excellent function with very
little effort or time expended. Instead of bemoaning the potential for
clogs we should focus on these simple maintenance steps to keep our printers
functioning. BTW, my Epson Stylus 900 clogged occasionally and I only use
OEM inks in this printer. Easily fixed. My Canon i960 with non-oem
(carefully selected) inks has not clogged yet with almost a year of use.
When it does, I have learned from people who post to this and other forums
how to solve the problem.

I suspect, for what Canon users have said, that the head will burn out
before it gets clogged.

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Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
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[Hecate]

Why do you find it so difficult to accept that people can have
reasonable and even intelligent reasons for buying a certain branded
product that differs from your point of view? I have assisted people in
purchasing just about every brand of inkjet printer depending on their
applications.

It's obvious why Art - just look at the two words you used above,
reasonable and intelligent.


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Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

 

[Ron Cohen]

When it comes to things mechanical, the question isn't "If it will break?",
but "When will it break?" The same goes for electronics, human bodies and
nature. Murphy's law is alive and well. Maxtor is supposed to make reliable
disk drives. At the moment, I'd disagree with that since one of mine burned
out last week - and of course it's their fault (definitely not mine since we
aren't supposed to be responsible for our own actions <g>) that most of the
drive wasn't backed up.

 

[measekite]

If you had ever driven an XK120, XK150, or an XKE you wouldn't think theirs
was a poor choice. Although cars are now more refined and much safer, in
their day these were fantastic cars. I preferred Porsches, and when I owned
them they were not as "premium priced" as they are today. Of course, you
might have preferred a VW bug, Datsun (now Nissan) or Toyopet (now Toyota)
as they were much cheaper and more economical to run, but as you know, there
are other things to consider and that is why you drive an Acura instead of
today's equivalent of the Yugo (your favorite to compare to other products
that you regard as poor quality).

From a maintenance point of view, my Acura is far more maintenance
friendly than my Mercedes. Other than the paint quality the Acura is a
better car. But the Mercedes appears to have a more solid foundation
and body.

 

[Burt]

(snip[)

From a maintenance point of view, my Acura is far more maintenance
friendly than my Mercedes. Other than the paint quality the Acura is a
better car. But the Mercedes appears to have a more solid foundation and
body.

(snip)

I was in Tokyo in 1959 and 1960 and could have had any car shipped directly
from the factory on a diplomatic discount. choices were the jag xk150,
Mercedes 190XL, and the Porsche 1600S roadster. Having driven them all, the
Porsche was my choice, hands down. Not as luxurious, but a great driving
car. In 2001 my wife went for the BMW 3 series after having driven the top
of the line Acura coupe and a Mercedes sport sedan. Beemer was a much more
refined response and tighter handling car at that time, but as you
described, not as maintenance friendly. Sometimes being practical is not
nearly as much fun as going for the experience you want. The newest top of
the line Acuras are the best they have produced.

 

[measekite]

I thought we'd already established that he's not old enough to drive.

Jon.

It seems that you are old enough to have a big mouth.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I've responded in private mail, and you should hopefully have the manual
by now.

Art

J L Williams wrote:

 

[Davy]

To Lokki/
Uh....I'll have to watch for that I've never come across that, Im sure
Isopropanol is Isopropanol the IPA stuff that is....(meaning there's
only one of a kind).

I'll keep a look out for that but never had any problems , non
whatever, I know that Carbon Tetrachloride will....! I sprayed some
on a switch once and the plastic just melted - luckily the damage was
internal and had no effect on operation of unit.
Isopropanol did'nt do my printer any harm - it didn't do any good
either...What damage can you do to a C62 LoL,,,!

from Davy.

 

[Davy]

lokkiwrote:
Davy,

I see you are in Manchester. I'm guessing you *don't* work for the

AWE, given this recent article:

Daby say's
Sorry I don't work for them, not even seen the article, I dunno

what the % of the stuff I use is - it don't say just say's IPA, I get
it from the place I get my TV/Video parts from.

 

[Davy]

Sorry folks I must really give more thought when replying.

Also Lokki,
I use it to clean the rubber drive belts, once it gets all the muck
off you can clean them again and there's absolutely nothing there,
also use it on those white nylon idler wheels you see in video's and
cassettes - deffinately get a C62 to try it out.!

Davy

 

[Davy]

No probs lokki, "better being sure to be sure", come think I even use
it on front panels, sure does get all grease and finger marks of, ok
on glass too, never tried the fluid form you can get - dunno, that
may well be different only used the aerosol type - but certainly safe
on rubber belts.
Davy

 

[lokki]

Davy,

After checking around, I don't think IPA will damage the plastics at
all... I was thinking of Acetone, which will definately attack
plastics. Sorry for the confusion!

Maybe I'll buy some spare parts and soak them in IPA to see if there's
any affect on the rubber belts. Nylon and teflon should be very safe,
so no worries there. One of my biggest problems right now is on a
9600, so I'm not quite ready to just give it a go. I might test on a
2200, since we are likely replacing at least one of them soon.

 

[Davy]

No probs lokki, "better being sure to be sure", come think I even use
it on front panels, sure does get all grease and finger marks of, ok
on glass too, never tried the fluid form you can get - dunno, that
may well be different only used the aerosol type - but certainly safe
on rubber belts.
Davy

 

[J L Williams]

The message <dwmhe.1347508$8l.445239@pd7tw1no>

I've responded in private mail, and you should hopefully have the manual
by now.

Art

Yes got it this morning Art
Very many thanks, I'll have to set aside some time to do them now.
Cheers
Jim

 

[Kennedy McEwen]

what the % of the stuff I use is - it don't say just say's IPA

India Pale Ale - no wonder it doesn't clear your printer!
Shouldn't damage the plastic either, but it will probably leave a sticky
mess. Does it say whether it is McEwans, Stones or Belhaven?
;-)

 

[Hecate]

India Pale Ale - no wonder it doesn't clear your printer!
Shouldn't damage the plastic either, but it will probably leave a sticky
mess. Does it say whether it is McEwans, Stones or Belhaven?
;-)

Perhaps Newky Brown would do a better job?

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Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

 

[Ron Cohen]

Those were the good old days. Wouldn't it be great if cars had the same
pricing history as computers. In 1968 I purchased a brand new BMW 1600 for
$2800.00. In the early 1980's when IBM introduced the first PC it cost me
over $2800.00 for a 64k processor with two single side diskette drives an 80
cps dot matrix printer and I used a 13" b/w TV set as a monitor. That was a
bargain at the time since my IBM employee discount was 50% of list. Now look
at what an entry level BMW costs and what a well equipped PC runs.

Ron

(snip[)

From a maintenance point of view, my Acura is far more maintenance
friendly than my Mercedes. Other than the paint quality the Acura is a
better car. But the Mercedes appears to have a more solid foundation and
body.

(snip)

I was in Tokyo in 1959 and 1960 and could have had any car shipped
directly from the factory on a diplomatic discount. choices were the jag
xk150, Mercedes 190XL, and the Porsche 1600S roadster. Having driven them
all, the Porsche was my choice, hands down. Not as luxurious, but a great
driving car. In 2001 my wife went for the BMW 3 series after having
driven the top of the line Acura coupe and a Mercedes sport sedan. Beemer
was a much more refined response and tighter handling car at that time,
but as you described, not as maintenance friendly. Sometimes being
practical is not nearly as much fun as going for the experience you want.
The newest top of the line Acuras are the best they have produced.

 

[Burt]

Look for a post near the top of the NG by Arthur Entlich, email him, and ask
him for his Epson cleaning manual. He has a simple formula for print head
cleaning in his manual that you'd best get from him. It is made up of
either the original Windex or the windex that has "ammonia D" - not the
dripless one - plus alcohol. Read his manual for proportions. I used it on
my Epson Stylus 900 to clean the case, waste ink pad, and print head. Also
used it in cartridges to clear out a head clog. Don't try it in yours until
you read his info. It works on dye based ink printers, but he has some
caviats about the pigment based ink printers. Pharmacies have 70% and 90%
isopropyl alcohol and both work. Someone sent me an MSDS on Windex and one
of the main ingredients is, guess what --- alcohol! I'm sure that the trace
of ammonia also helps with print head cleaning. For those of you not in the
US there are comparable window cleaning products.

 

[lokki]

measekitewrote:

I have someone else do that for me.

This is intended to show what, exactly? Presuming enough money, this
could be your answer to just about everything. However, I think you
intended this as a nose-thumbing remark. Given your general approach
to communication here, I'll leave you to figure out just how
ineffective this kind of statement is... which you will probably
never do.

Just as a point of reference, I use my Epson 2200 to produce prints
that win competitions and sell for several hundred dollars. The price
limit is not the print quality, but my skill as a photographer. And I
use 3rd party inks.

But really, the point is that the printer is a tool. One selects a
tool, learns how to use it, and eventually (hopefully) masters it.
Knowing how you have to treat it, what its limitations are, and how
to work within those limitations are essential with any tool, be it
printer, camera, musical instrument, computer, or hammer. And I'm
sure you've heard that it's a poor carpenter who blames his
hammer...

So! We know your views, and you've not contributed anything new in
quite some time. While I enjoy watching people such as yourself
expose their own limitations, nothing really comes of it except some
mild entertainment. At the very least, you are vaguely amusing.
Here's a suggestion; make a new thread entitled something like 'Why
Epson Sucks - My Informed Bias' and spew forth all your thoughts
(sarcastic remark witheld). I further invite everyone to let you have
your space and ignore you to give you the illusion of being
unchallenged. Does that work for you?

 

[Davy]

Ah sucks....
thats where the C62 came from......Bedrock... good old Fred and Barny!