Does anyone use their computers under 100% stress in a 90F degrees environment?

[Rod Speed]

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Actually they do, if they can possibly afford it.

Doesnt necessarily amount to MANY PEOPLE.

Tropical countries are leading users
of air conditioning, for obvious reasons.

That won't lower the temperature in the room;

He didnt say it does.

in fact, it does just the opposite.

In fact the increase isnt even measurable.

The hotter the computer, the shorter its lifetime.

In reality few systems fail, most get replaced with better systems instead.

I don't blame them. I suggest 20° C.

Mine work fine with 30C.

I agree with them.

More fool you. Its perfectly possible to do otherwise.

 

[Rod Speed]

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I guess you can save money by simply replacing motherboards,
processors, and disk drives regularly instead.

Doesnt happen. I choose to only turn the swamp cooler
on when its over 30C because I prefer it in the high 20s.
Havent had any failures at all with those temps.

It may need maintenance. Central A/C
should be plenty if it is properly designed.

Note that working indoors at 90° F brings with it a real risk of
heat exhaustion, depending on other environmental variables.

Not here where its normally only about 5% RH.

And you dont get much heat exhaustion sitting at a PC.

 

[Gank]

It's now pushing 75W, right? That's not exactly cool
running, actually hotter than many of the Athlons that kids
used to claim were "hot running".

Wrong.


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976402,00.asp

"a salient reminder that the Intel chips have a maximum thermal rating of
65W, while the AMD chips are rated at 110W. It looks from these early
tests as if Intel's boasts of dramatically better performance with
dramatically less power utilization are going to come true."

And for the record, I use AMD64. But anyone who gets AM2 over Core Duo2 is
a dumbass.

 

[Gank]

Dude?

You use the word dude, and want to be taken seriously?

Notice the smiley after "dude"? It's there for a reason, twerp.

The OP does not have a

Conroe...what's your point...Dude?

That should be obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells to rub
together.

 

[kony]

Wrong.


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976402,00.asp

"a salient reminder that the Intel chips have a maximum thermal rating of
65W,

Then

.... have you checked more recent data?

while the AMD chips are rated at 110W.

Some are.
It doesn't change what I already wrote, that Intel's current
chips DO run hotting than the prior generation athlons that
people called "hot running".

It looks from these early
tests as if Intel's boasts of dramatically better performance with
dramatically less power utilization are going to come true."

yes dramatically less, but not a cool chip by any stretch of
the imagination. Remember that a great heatsink can offset
temp some, but when the ambient temp is already over 10C
higher, it may not be enough.

And for the record, I use AMD64. But anyone who gets AM2 over Core Duo2 is
a dumbass.

Thanks for trolling by.

 

[Squibbly]

Were the temperatures taken from heavy usage like gaming?
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yes

 

[ANTant]

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Yes, although availability depends on your local market. I have such
a unit. You still need a window or door through which you can exhaust
hot air (via a simple flexible tube), but no permanent modifications
to the house are required; you just stick the tube out a window and
turn it on.

Well, the window has a screen. And my room's door leads to the hallways and stair
to downstair (first floor). How does that work without any modifications? How thick is
this tube?

Window air conditioners don't necessarily require any modifications,
either, as they are usually designed to fit in the window sill.

All the more reason to get air conditioning.

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[ANTant]

Electrcity used by AC is expensive in this area.

Doesnt happen. I choose to only turn the swamp cooler
on when its over 30C because I prefer it in the high 20s.
Havent had any failures at all with those temps.

Surfing the Web, watching TV (yes, on my computer), gaming, etc. isn't working for me.

Not here where its normally only about 5% RH.

And you dont get much heat exhaustion sitting at a PC.

And if you drink lots of fluids like water.
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[ANTant]

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A fan will not lower the temperature in the room.

Very true if the room is hot like 90F degrees. It just blowing hot air. It won't help
if outside is hotter.
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[kony]

Well, the window has a screen. And my room's door leads to the hallways and stair
to downstair (first floor). How does that work without any modifications? How thick is
this tube?

A screen?

Well obviously this highly fixed and immovable object is an
obstacle that cannot be overcome.

In other words, it's not a question of whether it can be
done, as there are many ways... only what YOU are willing to
do. Most people would pop the screen out. Some would even
leave it in and just affix a plexiglass or plywood
partition. Others would even cut a hole in the wall, frame
off some studs and not block the window at all (thinking of
a more traditional window AC unit, not the interior type
with a tube).

If you were set on doing it, you'd find a way. I'm not
trying to talk you into it though, that's your call as you
are the only one that is going to be quite hot.

 

[ANTant]

I doubt I can get one since I don't own the house. Is there a such thing as an

A screen?

Well obviously this highly fixed and immovable object is an
obstacle that cannot be overcome.

In other words, it's not a question of whether it can be
done, as there are many ways... only what YOU are willing to
do. Most people would pop the screen out. Some would even
leave it in and just affix a plexiglass or plywood
partition. Others would even cut a hole in the wall, frame
off some studs and not block the window at all (thinking of
a more traditional window AC unit, not the interior type
with a tube).

If you were set on doing it, you'd find a way. I'm not
trying to talk you into it though, that's your call as you
are the only one that is going to be quite hot.

Thanks. Now, the hard part is trying to persuade my parents to accept this. Heh.
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[Mxsmanic]

Well, the window has a screen. And my room's door leads to the hallways and stair
to downstair (first floor). How does that work without any modifications? How thick is
this tube?

It's about 12 cm across, in flexible pleated plastic--like the kind
that you see on some exhaust hoods in workshops or connected to
clothes dryers.

You could conceivably let the air exhaust through the screen but that
would restrict airflow a lot. If you can open the screen and stick it
outside, that works a lot better. It's important that the hot air not
be dumped outside in a position that might allow it to be sucked back
into your room.

There are also portable air conditioners that have a separate, small
exhaust unit with a blower, connected to the main unit with a small
hose. The exhaust unit is placed outside and eliminates the heat (the
condenser of the A/C is inside it), and the main unit contains the
evaporator and produces the cold, and it stays in the room.

They are available in different sizes for different rooms. Mine
consumes about 750 watts (less than a hair dryer) and produces air
that's about 10-15 degrees Celsius colder than ambient air. It works
okay for one room as long as it doesn't get too hot outside. It costs
about six cent an hour to run (€1.44 a day if you run it
continuously).

 

[Mxsmanic]

Thanks. Now, the hard part is trying to persuade my parents to accept this. Heh.

You live in an area where it gets to 90° F and your parents need
persuasion to install A/C?

 

[Mxsmanic]

Very true if the room is hot like 90F degrees. It just blowing hot air. It won't help
if outside is hotter.

Fans always raise the temperature; they never lower it. And if there
are people in the room, fans will also raise the humidity, which can
rapidly create a vicious circle of heating.

 

[ANTant]

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You live in an area where it gets to 90° F and your parents need
persuasion to install A/C?

We have a A/C but it is old (20-30 years old) and it sucks. It doesn't blow much air
upstair because all the heat rises.
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[ANTant]

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It's about 12 cm across, in flexible pleated plastic--like the kind
that you see on some exhaust hoods in workshops or connected to
clothes dryers.

You could conceivably let the air exhaust through the screen but that
would restrict airflow a lot. If you can open the screen and stick it
outside, that works a lot better. It's important that the hot air not
be dumped outside in a position that might allow it to be sucked back
into your room.

There are also portable air conditioners that have a separate, small
exhaust unit with a blower, connected to the main unit with a small
hose. The exhaust unit is placed outside and eliminates the heat (the
condenser of the A/C is inside it), and the main unit contains the
evaporator and produces the cold, and it stays in the room.
Interesting.


They are available in different sizes for different rooms. Mine
consumes about 750 watts (less than a hair dryer) and produces air
that's about 10-15 degrees Celsius colder than ambient air. It works
okay for one room as long as it doesn't get too hot outside. It costs
about six cent an hour to run (?1.44 a day if you run it
continuously).

Got any brand names and model numbers? I assume those are available in U.S.
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[ANTant]

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Fans always raise the temperature; they never lower it. And if there
are people in the room, fans will also raise the humidity, which can
rapidly create a vicious circle of heating.

Hmm, I didn't know fans raise temperatures like that. Is that only when when the
temperature is really high? Or does that happen like in 80 degrees(F) area?
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[The Real Slim Shady]

Hmm, I didn't know fans raise temperatures like that. Is that only when
when the temperature is really high? Or does that happen like in 80
degrees(F) area?

Fan always raises temperature, since it increases the average kinetic
energy of air molecules by hitting them.
It's just elementary physics.

 

[Rod Speed]

Hmm, I didn't know fans raise temperatures like that.

Its just basic physics. What power is used by the fan has
to end up in the air temp. There's nowhere else for it to go.

Corse its a relatively minor effect.

Is that only when when the temperature is really high?

Nope, it happens at all temps.

Or does that happen like in 80 degrees(F) area?

All temps.

 

[Rod Speed]

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Fans always raise the temperature; they never lower it. And if
there are people in the room, fans will also raise the humidity,
Yes.

which can rapidly create a vicious circle of heating.

Nope. In spades with that 'rapidly' claim.

Its just basic physics, the power that is used by the fan motor
has to end up in the air temp, there is nowhere else for it to go.