Does anyone use their computers under 100% stress in a 90F degrees environment?

K

kony

I don't know. All I know it's 754 CPU. Which one is that?




Yeah, I used cpuburn and it can go very hot but gaming is worse because other
things get hot like my NVIDIA GeForce 6800 card.


In a 90F+ room is it probably unreasonable to try to keep it
under 60C at full load unless you don't mind noise. We have
no idea how adept you are at modifying cases though, given
the time, tools and forethought 90F is not a problem with
decent (air-cooled) heatsinks... which can mean aftermarket
instead of stock 'sinks.
 
K

kony

N.B. Some companies (Intel is one I recall), rather bizzarrely suggest
25 C or so maximum ambient temperatures for their products. These
companies are therefore rather bizzarrely suggesting that you should
not run your comp in many countries without an airconditioned room.


It's not bizarre at all, they're familiar with the typical
OEM chassis cooling that is tailored towards lowest noise
with fewest fans possible, which leaves lower margin, plus
Intel among others would like to avoid spending extra $$ to
include a more efficient heatsink with retail packaged CPUs.

How is it a justification that if someone, somewhere,
suffers through very hot weather, that others should too?
There are also people starving in the world, is that a
justification for others to starve too? There is every
reason to take advantage of modern conveniences such as A/C
as well as other conveniences such as a computer/gaming.

If the central AC is old and inefficient then a basic 5K BTU
window unit would be quite a bit better than nothing.
 
A

ANTant

OK... but some of the things I wrote may still apply.
On the other hand, 90F isn't exactly comfortable for the
humans in same room, and having one or more gaming systems
will further elevate the room temp if the room isn't
reasonably ventilated. It could be best in the long run to
just get an air-conditioner. Even a basic window unit for
$100 might help (the users).

I doubt I can get one since I don't own the house. Is there a such thing as an
internal and portable?

I only have one gaming machine. The other box is an Athlon XP 2200+ that runs Linux and is
just a workstation and a back up machine (use it at work too via SSH). I also have other
stuff like a 20" CRT TV, VCR, a HP printer, network hub, network router, WAP, a cable modem,
an air filter (I get allergies badly), etc.
--
"You're kissing an ant hill." --Mike Nelson
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail.
( )
 
A

ANTant

In alt.comp.hardware.amd.x86-64 kony said:
I don't know. All I know it's 754 CPU. Which one is that?




Yeah, I used cpuburn and it can go very hot but gaming is worse because other
things get hot like my NVIDIA GeForce 6800 card.
[/QUOTE]
In a 90F+ room is it probably unreasonable to try to keep it
under 60C at full load unless you don't mind noise. We have
no idea how adept you are at modifying cases though, given
the time, tools and forethought 90F is not a problem with
decent (air-cooled) heatsinks... which can mean aftermarket
instead of stock 'sinks.

Well, I definitely don't want my room to sound like an airport or else I won't be able to
hear anything and possibly go deaf and get annoyed. :)

I already use a Thermaltake A1838 (Silent Boost K8) for my Athlon 64 3200+ CPU. Even my old
Athlon XP 2200+ CPU uses a Thermaltake Volcano 9 because I having problems keeping the CPUs
stable with regular/stock heatstinks with cpuburn (k7).
--
"You're kissing an ant hill." --Mike Nelson
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail.
( )
 
A

ANTant

I had a new compressor unit put in for my central air about 6 tears ago.
last year it developed a freon leak. I already had an old 5000 btu window
unit for backup in my computer room. So as a temp fix I went out and got a
12,000btu unit for the front section of the house. After seeing how well
that cooled the front section I started testing electricity use. In short,
for less than it would have cost to replace the compressor unit again I
purchased seperate 5000btu window units for each bedroom. Total cost of
all window units was under $600 and my eclectric bill was cut by more than
30%. And during those 100F+ days when the central air had a hard time
keeping the house cool, the window units will freeze you out if you turn
them on max. Central air sucks for efficiency. I normally only run 2 of
the four window units at a time That uses about half the electrity the
central unit used and still keeps me more comfortable. The 5000btu room
units are easy to put in in minutes without having to make any permanent
changes to the window. The larger one din't require window changes but
it's pretty heavy and I leave it in year round. Another Plus is that if
one window unit fails, you won't suffer from the heat like you will when
the cenral unit fails.:)

Are there any portable indoor A/C units that can be moved easily like those light fans? I am
disabled so I can't move stuff around. I can't even move a minitower computer nor open/close
the case (even sliding types!). :(

BTW, I live in Southern CA. Hot hot now.
--
"You're kissing an ant hill." --Mike Nelson
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail.
( )
 
G

General Schvantzkoph

Are there any portable indoor A/C units that can be moved easily like those light fans? I am
disabled so I can't move stuff around. I can't even move a minitower computer nor open/close
the case (even sliding types!). :(

BTW, I live in Southern CA. Hot hot now.

An air conditioner has to be able to move the heat somewhere, you can't
have one just sitting in a room somewhere without an exhaust hose that
connects to the outside world. If you tried to do that you would have a
space heater not an air conditioner.

Southern California is no place to live without air conditioning. There
are light window air conditioners but if you can't move a minitower then
you won't be able to move one of those easily. Also the very lightest ones
are also noisy. I have several window air conditioners, by far the
quietest is an 8200 BTU Sears Kenmore Plasmaire which. I have a similar
Kenmore that isn't a Plasmaire and it's much louder, the difference in
price is only about $50 so get the Plasmaire and have someone put it in
for you. It's very efficient and if you are only cooling one room it
shouldn't be all that expensive to run.
 
E

Ed Light

I don't know. All I know it's 754 CPU. Which one is that?

Let's see -- most of the 754 Athlon 64's were very hot, but the new Venice
ones are normal. No Winchesters for 754.

So anyway, if it's not a Venice, if you put in a Venice or a Sempron 64
Palermo that would cool it some.


--
Ed Light

Smiley :-/
MS Smiley :-\

Send spam to the FTC at
(e-mail address removed)
Thanks, robots.

Bring the Troops Home:
http://bringthemhomenow.org
 
A

ANTant

Let's see -- most of the 754 Athlon 64's were very hot, but the new Venice
ones are normal. No Winchesters for 754.
So anyway, if it's not a Venice, if you put in a Venice or a Sempron 64
Palermo that would cool it some.

Well, how much better? I have had this CPU for almost two years. :I Switching to it would
require a new motherboard I think.
--
"You're kissing an ant hill." --Mike Nelson
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail.
( )
 
W

Wes Newell

Are there any portable indoor A/C units that can be moved easily like
those light fans? I am disabled so I can't move stuff around. I can't
even move a minitower computer nor open/close the case (even sliding
types!). :(
Get a friend to put a indow unit in and leave it in. If you can't lift a
tower case, you probably couldn't handle even a small 5000
BTW, I live in Southern CA. Hot hot now.

You just think that's hot. Been there several times. 90F if Spring like
compared to where I live this time of year.
 
E

Ed Light

Well, how much better? I have had this CPU for almost two years. :I
Switching to it would
require a new motherboard I think.

I'm not sure exactly how much better.

The socket 754 has some Venice's available for it and is the only one prior
to AM2 to take Palermo Sempron 64's.

My friend's Sempron 64 2800+ overclocked 50% actually runs prime95 at 38C
with the stock cooler, fan at full-speed, 80mm fan at 2000 rpm (Vantec
Stealth) on the back of the case, very slow 120mm fan in power supply. With
the cpu fan down to 1000 rpm from the stock 3000 rpm it goes up into the
40's. Room temperature pretty neutral.

With a good case fan on the back (I wouldn't disrupt it with any side fans
as those can actually increase the cpu temp by disrupting air flow, though
you can experiment and see, watching the video card temp too -- I'd close up
any side hole) and a Palermo with stock heatsink, you might be okay. If not,
you can go to a more esoteric heatsink like the Zalman 9500, I think it is.

But of course, be sure nothing is blocking the air intake on the case. For
instance, if the intake is in the bottom of the front, putting on a rug
could block it off. Then you could just put a piece of plywood under the
front. I had to enlarge the intake slot on mine. Also, it can get clogged
with dust behind the front bezel, on the intake grille. I cut the grille out
of mine. Though that makes it easier for more air to bypass the upper drive
bays.

You might see how hot your HD is getting with dtemp. Airflow can make a real
difference there too.
--
Ed Light

Smiley :-/
MS Smiley :-\

Send spam to the FTC at
(e-mail address removed)
Thanks, robots.

Bring the Troops Home:
http://bringthemhomenow.org
 
E

Ed Light

Also be sure not to block the case into a corner with its own heat. It
should have a fresh supply of merely superheated summer air at its front.


--
Ed Light

Smiley :-/
MS Smiley :-\

Send spam to the FTC at
(e-mail address removed)
Thanks, robots.

Bring the Troops Home:
http://bringthemhomenow.org
 
A

ANTant

In said:
I am just wondering when you guys build computers. Are you able to keep the computers
stable and not breaking (e.g., a SeaSonic PSU overheated) in a room that is about 90
degrees(F) during heat waves with no air conditions? Computers would be crunching big time
like gaming in this heat. No fancy water cooling setups in the computer cases and no opened
cases either.
I am just wondering and trying to determine what's the best way to keep my boxes stable in
a very hot room (almost like heated indoor garages). In the past, I have seen my computer's
Athlon 64 3200+ (754) CPU go over 160F degrees and ASUS K8V SE Deluxe motherboard go over
120F degrees.
Thank you in advance. :)

Also, if your area gets this hot or even hotter, what's your computer temperatures like?
--
"You're kissing an ant hill." --Mike Nelson
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail.
( )
 
A

ANTant

Is your 3200+ a Venice or Winchester? The previous
I'm not sure exactly how much better.
The socket 754 has some Venice's available for it and is the only one prior
to AM2 to take Palermo Sempron 64's.

I don't think it is the CPU overheating. I think something else is overheating because I
had seen the CPU go over 160F without hiccups with cpuburn. However, cpuburn doesn't push
video card and other components.

My friend's Sempron 64 2800+ overclocked 50% actually runs prime95 at 38C
with the stock cooler, fan at full-speed, 80mm fan at 2000 rpm (Vantec
Stealth) on the back of the case, very slow 120mm fan in power supply. With
the cpu fan down to 1000 rpm from the stock 3000 rpm it goes up into the
40's. Room temperature pretty neutral.
With a good case fan on the back (I wouldn't disrupt it with any side fans
as those can actually increase the cpu temp by disrupting air flow, though
you can experiment and see, watching the video card temp too -- I'd close up
any side hole) and a Palermo with stock heatsink, you might be okay. If not,
you can go to a more esoteric heatsink like the Zalman 9500, I think it is.

The PSU blew heat out in the back. I think there was a 80mm case fan blowing out in another
vent as well.

But of course, be sure nothing is blocking the air intake on the case. For
instance, if the intake is in the bottom of the front, putting on a rug
could block it off. Then you could just put a piece of plywood under the
front. I had to enlarge the intake slot on mine. Also, it can get clogged
with dust behind the front bezel, on the intake grille. I cut the grille out
of mine. Though that makes it easier for more air to bypass the upper drive
bays.

The bottom vents are not all the way at the bottom. They're more like 1" above ground.

You might see how hot your HD is getting with dtemp. Airflow can make a real
difference there too.

Way too hot that I remember. I have like 3 internal HDDs (Quantum, IBM, and Seagate). See my
detailed specifications at http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt
(primary/gaming machine).

I really need to get rid of this old 1998 ATX mid-tower case. I am hoping the new Antec case
will control the heat in the case in my 90F room when the heat waves occur.
--
"You're kissing an ant hill." --Mike Nelson
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail.
( )
 
A

ANTant

In alt.comp.hardware.amd.x86-64 Ed Light said:
Also be sure not to block the case into a corner with its own heat. It
should have a fresh supply of merely superheated summer air at its front.

I doubt this is a problem, but my case is in the middle of the small room next to the wall
and room's window. It is placed between two wooden desks. So the incoming air is in the
front of the case (center of the room) and rear vent blows out heat next to the wooden wall
and out the window (if it is open on cooler days). The case is not right next to wall due to
all the messy cables I have back there. I do make sure the cables do not block the vents.
--
"You're kissing an ant hill." --Mike Nelson
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail.
( )
 
M

Mxsmanic

I doubt I can get one since I don't own the house. Is there a such thing as an
internal and portable?

Yes, although availability depends on your local market. I have such
a unit. You still need a window or door through which you can exhaust
hot air (via a simple flexible tube), but no permanent modifications
to the house are required; you just stick the tube out a window and
turn it on.

Window air conditioners don't necessarily require any modifications,
either, as they are usually designed to fit in the window sill.
I only have one gaming machine. The other box is an Athlon XP 2200+ that runs Linux and is
just a workstation and a back up machine (use it at work too via SSH). I also have other
stuff like a 20" CRT TV, VCR, a HP printer, network hub, network router, WAP, a cable modem,
an air filter (I get allergies badly), etc.

All the more reason to get air conditioning.
 
M

Mxsmanic

Electrcity used by AC is expensive in this area.

I guess you can save money by simply replacing motherboards,
processors, and disk drives regularly instead.
Even when AC is on, it doesn't
seem to do well due to its central unit and old age (20-30 years?) Also I don't
own this house (parents').

It may need maintenance. Central A/C should be plenty if it is
properly designed.

Note that working indoors at 90° F brings with it a real risk of heat
exhaustion, depending on other environmental variables.
 
M

Mxsmanic

90 F is 32 C. These temperatures are resonably common in tropical
countries (e.g. Malaysia) and many people there don't use aircons in
their homes.

Actually they do, if they can possibly afford it. Tropical countries
are leading users of air conditioning, for obvious reasons.
They do have fans of course so there is an inroom airflow.

That won't lower the temperature in the room; in fact, it does just
the opposite.
However I suspect this doesn't make that much difference for the case
temp. Their computers survive.

The hotter the computer, the shorter its lifetime.
N.B. Some companies (Intel is one I recall), rather bizzarrely suggest
25 C or so maximum ambient temperatures for their products.

I don't blame them. I suggest 20° C.
These companies are therefore rather bizzarrely suggesting that you should
not run your comp in many countries without an airconditioned room.

I agree with them.
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Top