J
John Fitzsimons
Guys.... good newsall being well on Tuesday 28th March we will
have CPF v2 launched publicly.
Better news would be "......for win 98 systems" and "...with a non
expiring licence."
Regards, John.
Better news would be "......for win 98 systems" and "...with a non
expiring licence."
Regards, John.
C
Comodo
John
We have a win98 firewall already that we used to sell previously. We
are thinking about bringing it back. It will require some face lift
etc. We are evaluating the resources required to see if it will be
feasible or not.
Melih
We have a win98 firewall already that we used to sell previously. We
are thinking about bringing it back. It will require some face lift
etc. We are evaluating the resources required to see if it will be
feasible or not.
Melih
C
Craig
David said:
Sooo;
Just for clarification. Is toodeloo David? Or did we broaden the
conversation?
-Craig
C
Craig
Melih;Comodo said:
Interesting news on win98. Wrt John's statement "non-expiring license,"
I thought Comodo moved to a non-expiring schema.
Is this correct?
-Craig
T
toodeloo
Craig,
oh no, you could ask everything. But giving answers could be a problem.
if possible, yes. But only for internet and internet related things.
It's so much faster then XP, better, no BSOD's, not every day a patch or
more and a lot of more things.
Biggest problem at this moment are the harddisks and Mobo's. The smallest HD
already become too big for FAT ( I already use a 150 GB disk and could only
use 128 Gb of it ) and modern Mobo's demands at least W98SE.
I have a working XP ( no SP's ) computer for heavy graphic work and other
CPU consuming matters; one with Suse 9.3 and let's say some test computers.
My migrating plan is most likely to migrate to Suse after XP' end-of-live.
But maybe Ubuntu or BSD; I'm going to look and evaluate both this year; I
read a lot of possitive things about it and you don't need to be an expert
anymore to work with this software.
But my W98SE systems are so much more secure to access the internet then my
Linux PC's that I prefer W98SE ( I'm still in a learning curve for Linux.
With W98SE I know I have an OS which doesn't have an own mind like XP; if I
change something that stays changed after I boot my PC and not like XP you
have to hope that things stay changed ).
Most of my Pc's have their own purpose, so talking about a migration plan is
a little bit tricky.
support or not; why should you switch? If it works OK and without problems
don't change in my opinion ( I think you must be able to configure and
set-up a W98SE/Win2k computer without problems and knowing which software
and versions you should use ). A 1 G - 2 G computer is fast enough for
internet access and cheap and the Mobo works good with my spare parts. A
dual-core PC for only surfing? Most people are stupid enough to buy such a
monster.
Satisfied?
oh no, you could ask everything. But giving answers could be a problem.
if possible, yes. But only for internet and internet related things.
It's so much faster then XP, better, no BSOD's, not every day a patch or
more and a lot of more things.
Biggest problem at this moment are the harddisks and Mobo's. The smallest HD
already become too big for FAT ( I already use a 150 GB disk and could only
use 128 Gb of it ) and modern Mobo's demands at least W98SE.
I have a working XP ( no SP's ) computer for heavy graphic work and other
CPU consuming matters; one with Suse 9.3 and let's say some test computers.
My migrating plan is most likely to migrate to Suse after XP' end-of-live.
But maybe Ubuntu or BSD; I'm going to look and evaluate both this year; I
read a lot of possitive things about it and you don't need to be an expert
anymore to work with this software.
But my W98SE systems are so much more secure to access the internet then my
Linux PC's that I prefer W98SE ( I'm still in a learning curve for Linux.
With W98SE I know I have an OS which doesn't have an own mind like XP; if I
change something that stays changed after I boot my PC and not like XP you
have to hope that things stay changed ).
Most of my Pc's have their own purpose, so talking about a migration plan is
a little bit tricky.
support or not; why should you switch? If it works OK and without problems
don't change in my opinion ( I think you must be able to configure and
set-up a W98SE/Win2k computer without problems and knowing which software
and versions you should use ). A 1 G - 2 G computer is fast enough for
internet access and cheap and the Mobo works good with my spare parts. A
dual-core PC for only surfing? Most people are stupid enough to buy such a
monster.
Satisfied?
T
toodeloo
Just for clarification. Is toodeloo David?
no, I only use one name in a discussion.
If you looked at the proporties you didn't asked this question.
I think so.
no, I only use one name in a discussion.
If you looked at the proporties you didn't asked this question.
I think so.
T
toodeloo
Comodo
everybody could make mistakes and I was testing when we were asked to stop
with this conversation.
You promissed us to make the CPF freeware, but that's not the case. So, we
should leave this newsgroup.
everybody could make mistakes and I was testing when we were asked to stop
with this conversation.
You promissed us to make the CPF freeware, but that's not the case. So, we
should leave this newsgroup.
C
Comodo
Yes correct. non expiring license system. You activate it once, it will
never expire.
Melih
never expire.
Melih
C
Comodo
Toodeloo
NP.
Question to you: Can you please expand on the definitions(widely
accepted) of Freeware or Free Software, or how would you classify our
product?
thanks
Melih
NP.
Question to you: Can you please expand on the definitions(widely
accepted) of Freeware or Free Software, or how would you classify our
product?
thanks
Melih
C
Comodo
Toodeloo
a bit of research about the definition of "freeware" revealed this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware
Freeware
Freeware is computer software which is made available free of charge,
as opposed to payware where the user is required to pay.
Freeware contrasts with "free software", because of the different
meanings of the word "free". Freeware is described as "Gratis", as in
"free beer" and refers to free price, versus "free software", as in
"free speech", which refers to the license freedom.
Freeware licencing
The only criteria for being classed as "Freeware" is that the software
be made available at no cost, thus being a Freeware is not directly
related to license terms. Freeware and "free software" are not the same
thing, as the former bans any payment for the transmission of a copy,
and the latter imposes explicitely that the software can be sold (the
GPL v 2.0 says "You may charge a fee for the physical act of
transferring a copy") and that you are not allowed to withdraw this
right to whom you transfer a copy ("you must give the recipients all
the rights that you have"). However, "free software" is often confused
with freeware, the term freeware being erroneously used to refers
software under either FSF GPL or OpenSource licenses.
History of use of the term
The term freeware was coined by Andrew Fluegelman when he wanted to
distribute a communications program named PC-Talk that he had created
but for which he did not wish to use traditional methods of
distribution because of their cost. Previously, he held a trademark on
the term "freeware" but this trademark has since been abandoned.
Fluegelman actually distributed PC-Talk via a process now referred to
as shareware.
a bit of research about the definition of "freeware" revealed this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware
Freeware
Freeware is computer software which is made available free of charge,
as opposed to payware where the user is required to pay.
Freeware contrasts with "free software", because of the different
meanings of the word "free". Freeware is described as "Gratis", as in
"free beer" and refers to free price, versus "free software", as in
"free speech", which refers to the license freedom.
Freeware licencing
The only criteria for being classed as "Freeware" is that the software
be made available at no cost, thus being a Freeware is not directly
related to license terms. Freeware and "free software" are not the same
thing, as the former bans any payment for the transmission of a copy,
and the latter imposes explicitely that the software can be sold (the
GPL v 2.0 says "You may charge a fee for the physical act of
transferring a copy") and that you are not allowed to withdraw this
right to whom you transfer a copy ("you must give the recipients all
the rights that you have"). However, "free software" is often confused
with freeware, the term freeware being erroneously used to refers
software under either FSF GPL or OpenSource licenses.
History of use of the term
The term freeware was coined by Andrew Fluegelman when he wanted to
distribute a communications program named PC-Talk that he had created
but for which he did not wish to use traditional methods of
distribution because of their cost. Previously, he held a trademark on
the term "freeware" but this trademark has since been abandoned.
Fluegelman actually distributed PC-Talk via a process now referred to
as shareware.
C
Comodo
Toodeloo
a bit of research about the definition of "freeware" revealed this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware
Freeware
Freeware is computer software which is made available free of charge,
as opposed to payware where the user is required to pay.
Freeware contrasts with "free software", because of the different
meanings of the word "free". Freeware is described as "Gratis", as in
"free beer" and refers to free price, versus "free software", as in
"free speech", which refers to the license freedom.
Freeware licencing
The only criteria for being classed as "Freeware" is that the software
be made available at no cost, thus being a Freeware is not directly
related to license terms. Freeware and "free software" are not the same
thing, as the former bans any payment for the transmission of a copy,
and the latter imposes explicitely that the software can be sold (the
GPL v 2.0 says "You may charge a fee for the physical act of
transferring a copy") and that you are not allowed to withdraw this
right to whom you transfer a copy ("you must give the recipients all
the rights that you have"). However, "free software" is often confused
with freeware, the term freeware being erroneously used to refers
software under either FSF GPL or OpenSource licenses.
History of use of the term
The term freeware was coined by Andrew Fluegelman when he wanted to
distribute a communications program named PC-Talk that he had created
but for which he did not wish to use traditional methods of
distribution because of their cost. Previously, he held a trademark on
the term "freeware" but this trademark has since been abandoned.
Fluegelman actually distributed PC-Talk via a process now referred to
as shareware.
a bit of research about the definition of "freeware" revealed this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware
Freeware
Freeware is computer software which is made available free of charge,
as opposed to payware where the user is required to pay.
Freeware contrasts with "free software", because of the different
meanings of the word "free". Freeware is described as "Gratis", as in
"free beer" and refers to free price, versus "free software", as in
"free speech", which refers to the license freedom.
Freeware licencing
The only criteria for being classed as "Freeware" is that the software
be made available at no cost, thus being a Freeware is not directly
related to license terms. Freeware and "free software" are not the same
thing, as the former bans any payment for the transmission of a copy,
and the latter imposes explicitely that the software can be sold (the
GPL v 2.0 says "You may charge a fee for the physical act of
transferring a copy") and that you are not allowed to withdraw this
right to whom you transfer a copy ("you must give the recipients all
the rights that you have"). However, "free software" is often confused
with freeware, the term freeware being erroneously used to refers
software under either FSF GPL or OpenSource licenses.
History of use of the term
The term freeware was coined by Andrew Fluegelman when he wanted to
distribute a communications program named PC-Talk that he had created
but for which he did not wish to use traditional methods of
distribution because of their cost. Previously, he held a trademark on
the term "freeware" but this trademark has since been abandoned.
Fluegelman actually distributed PC-Talk via a process now referred to
as shareware.
C
Comodo
and here are some more places which tries to explain what is a "Free
Software" and what is a "freeware"
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#freeware
thanks
Melih
Software" and what is a "freeware"
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#freeware
thanks
Melih
S
Susan Bugher
Comodo said:
alt.comp.freeware's ware glossary is here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php
"Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish."
A program with a EULA that imposes non-monetary costs on the user is not
Freeware by ACF's definition of that word.
Susan
--
Posted to alt.comp.freeware
Search alt.comp.freeware (or read it online):
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?q=+group:alt.comp.freeware
Pricelessware & ACF: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org (not maintained)
J
John Fitzsimons
Then why do pages such as ...
http://www.backup.comodo.com/download.html?currency=USD®ion=Australasia&country=AU
say "requires annual registration" ?
It seems like at least some of your products require repeated
registration.
Regards, John.
C
Craig
toodeloo said:
.... said:
Never. But your response was comprehensive.
<g>
-Craig
T
toodeloo
Comodo said:
< snipped >
be happy with it.
I leave this discussion.
If you did your research well you also should have found the accepted
freeware definition this newsgroup uses.
On the internet you can always find things that fits your ideas the best.
You only makes promisses and now you leave the subject.
We were talking about the CPF (wishes) and not What is my definition of
freeware?
If you didn't noticed it : every time people looks at the Comodo sites they
have the same questions.
You write something in this newsgroup and when people go for it the reality
is different.
For example : you says it's free forever after your first registration but
the sites aren't update yet. Before writing something like that your sites
should be updated and that is not the case. You promissed us registration
free software, but that seems never going to happen.
If you remember it : You could get our car in every colour, as long as it is
black.
Your version : We listen carefully to you and we do everything you ask us,
but not in your lifetime
.Toodeloo or better
bye-bye
M
meow2222
Susan said:
As anyone that reads this group soon knows, there is more than one
opinion on the subject, and this group seems fairly clearly not based
on the opinion of the wiki contributor. I understand Comodo would want
to find its CPF within acf's boundaries, but I have to agree with
others that it does seem not to be.
NT
M
meow2222
Its been 4 days since this post, and much longer since the last one
discussing this. The points above are always not addressed by Comodo it
seems. Other concerns have come to light too. To be honest I really
lack confidence in what this software is about at the moment.
NT
S
Susan Bugher
IMO the ACF definition of Freeware is widely accepted in ACF. Perhaps
you're thinking of the varying opinions re "free enough for me". ACF's
definition is near the top in these Google searches:
#7 for: Results 1 - 100 of about 2,530,000 for freeware glossary.
#15 for: Results 1 - 100 of about 2,410,000 for freeware definition
and this group seems fairly clearly not based
Yup - Spyware, Adware, Warez etc. etc. etc. all qualify as Freeware.
People who think they agree with the wiki's definition probably don't
understand what it means. . .
I understand Comodo would want
Huh???
Susan
--
Posted to alt.comp.freeware
Search alt.comp.freeware (or read it online):
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?q=+group:alt.comp.freeware
Pricelessware & ACF: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org (not maintained)
M
meow2222
Susan said:
heh, talk about getting our wires crossed
NT