Canon CLI-8/PGI-5 resetter question

[ECLiPSE 2002]

Has anyone purchased the resetter offered by Cartridge America or
123Refills in the $28 cost range?


In the market for a resetter, but no sure if either of the above units
are reliable and workable

 

[John Chapman]

Has anyone purchased the resetter offered by Cartridge America or
123Refills in the $28 cost range?


In the market for a resetter, but no sure if either of the above units
are reliable and workable

The resetter called a Redsetter by Sudhaus in Germany definitely works
well.
I found it on Ebay.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Has anyone purchased the resetter offered by Cartridge America or
123Refills in the $28 cost range?

In the market for a resetter, but no sure if either of the above units
are reliable and workable

I bought mine here
http://www.inkfilling.com/printer-ink-canon-resetter-cli8-pgi5.html

It looks like either Sudhaus's redsetter, or a clone of Sudhaus's
redsetter.

It takes a battery(CR2032), but it's easy enough to crack open the
case an replace it.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=18597

According to them it's good for 1500 resets. Even 150 resets
represents represents 30 cartridge changes for a given printer. There
is every reason to believe that a given resetter will last as long as
your printer on one battery.

There is also a bluesetter on the market, but the only place that
sells them that I know about wants a good deal more than $30 for it.
http://www.inkjetreset.com/ They may have improved on the design of
the cli-8 adapter.

The one I bought works just fine, though I was trying to reset them
backwards at first. Silly me.

 

[ECLiPSE 2002]

I've seen your posts on the comp.periphs.printers and would like to
pick your brains. I have the Canon Pixma iP3500 and belately realized
that the cartridges were affixed with chips that signal ink depletion.
To make a long story short, I purchased some replacement cartridges
from G&G, before learning that resetters were developed to allow
continuation of the ink supply signaling.

After reading your post I purchased the resetter from InkFilling and
received it yesterday. I notice that when the resetter is tipped end
to end it sounds as if something is loose and rattling around inside.
I am wondering if your unit makes the same sound or if this is a
indication of a defective unit.

I do not have any near empty Canon cartridges to use to test the
resetter - so I don't presently know if it works. I am assuming that
one would not want to try resetting a cartridge that is one half or
more full?

Frank

 

[measekite]

I've seen your posts on the comp.periphs.printers and would like to
pick your brains. I have the Canon Pixma iP3500 and belately realized
that the cartridges were affixed with chips that signal ink depletion.
To make a long story short, I purchased some replacement cartridges
from G&G, before learning that resetters were developed to allow
continuation of the ink supply signaling.

After reading your post I purchased the resetter from InkFilling and
received it yesterday. I notice that when the resetter is tipped end
to end it sounds as if something is loose and rattling around inside.
I am wondering if your unit makes the same sound or if this is a
indication of a defective unit.

I do not have any near empty Canon cartridges to use to test the
resetter - so I don't presently know if it works. I am assuming that
one would not want to try resetting a cartridge that is one half or
more full?

Frank

If you would use the recommended in for your printer you would not have
these problems. Things may get worse. You could get a clogged printhead,
you photos could fade more rapidly and/or you image quality will most
likely be not as good.

Besides, the newer Canon printers will produce much better images on photo
paper.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

I've seen your posts on the comp.periphs.printers and would like to
pick your brains. I have the Canon Pixma iP3500 and belately realized
that the cartridges were affixed with chips that signal ink depletion.
To make a long story short, I purchased some replacement cartridges
from G&G, before learning that resetters were developed to allow
continuation of the ink supply signaling.

After reading your post I purchased the resetter from InkFilling and
received it yesterday. I notice that when the resetter is tipped end
to end it sounds as if something is loose and rattling around inside.
I am wondering if your unit makes the same sound or if this is a
indication of a defective unit.

I do not have any near empty Canon cartridges to use to test the
resetter - so I don't presently know if it works. I am assuming that
one would not want to try resetting a cartridge that is one half or
more full?

Righto, here's how it works.

Canon has a reservoir (80%) Sponge (20%) and a prism. When reservoir
= empty prism exposed, signals printer 20% ink remaining (low ink
warning).

Let's say you are able to keep the cartridges full all the time.
Prism not exposed so the printer should be happy? Well, they also
have a countdown as well. I don't know how many ml of ink you can use
before you trigger this failsafe.

Here's the part that applies to you. The reverse is not true. Let's
say you have a mostly full chip (above 20%) and an empty reservoir.
The printer will presume presume 20% full and start the sponge
countdown?

What does this mean? You can test the unit on a full cartridge if you
like. I'll just read 3 bars but the prism will still be happy to do
it's job.

Noise. Mine makes some noise if you shake it. It's a PC board
attached with pegs. The contacts you see are attached directly to the
board. The switch you see is actually a plastic rod that hits a push
button on the unit it self. It is a screwless wonder.

 

[Taliesyn]

If you would use the recommended ink for your printer you would not
have these problems.

Wanna bet! 2 new printers - two cartridge failures!

Canon has literally forced us to buy a chip resetter as both of our
iP4500 printers (bought months apart) stopped printing and indicated
there was a "problem" with the original Canon cyan cartridges, that they
needed replacing. That's all very well and dandy had they been empty or
near empty. But they were 50% full (sponge free section). Nice going,
Canon! Way to engineer built-in stupidity with these totally
unnecessary chips that don't serve any useful purpose other than
malfunction.

When Canon announced the addition of chips on cartridges a few years
ago, I predicted in this newsgroup that there would be malfunctions
with chipped cartridges. So as soon as I bought my first iP4500 I also
ordered a chip resetter. Well, it came in handy much sooner than
anticipated - on the initial set of cartridges - on both printers!

But instead of throwing out a half full cartridge, I was able to reset
the chip in seconds and have the cartridge back in the printer and
working. Mind you I have to keep a visual eye on the cartridge now
because the ink meter says the cartridge is 100% full though actually
contains only about 50% ink. I can live with that. At least it's
working.

The way I see it, chip resetters should be included with all Canon
printers since they have shown them to be far less reliable than the
previous unchipped printers. I highly recommend people get the re-
setter. They're not expensive and will easily pay for themselves during
the life of the printer. In my case I was able to reset two half-full
cartridges worth CAD $20.

-Taliesyn

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Wanna bet!   2 new printers - two cartridge failures! .....
In my case I was able to reset two half-full
cartridges worth CAD $20.

I can't say I've had this problem, but this is one of those problems
I'd bitch to Canon about. Seriously, if I could get them to replace
these cartridges with full ones, that would be spiffy.

Obviously having a chip resetter is the ideal solution if you want to
actually print things.

 

[measekite]

Wanna bet! 2 new printers - two cartridge failures!

Canon has literally forced us to buy a chip resetter as both of our
iP4500 printers (bought months apart) stopped printing and indicated
there was a "problem" with the original Canon cyan cartridges, that they
needed replacing. That's all very well and dandy had they been empty or
near empty. But they were 50% full (sponge free section). Nice going,
Canon! Way to engineer built-in stupidity with these totally
unnecessary chips that don't serve any useful purpose other than
malfunction.

You must have finally graduated high school. I do not believe what you
said. You may have had a problem but it is not par for the course. You
are just looking for an excuse to use the crap ink all of the time.

When Canon announced the addition of chips on cartridges a few years
ago, I predicted in this newsgroup that there would be malfunctions with
chipped cartridges. So as soon as I bought my first iP4500 I also
ordered a chip resetter. Well, it came in handy much sooner than
anticipated - on the initial set of cartridges - on both printers!

Looks like I was right. It was never your intention to use the quality
ink the printer was designed to use.

But instead of throwing out a half full cartridge, I was able to reset
the chip in seconds and have the cartridge back in the printer and
working. Mind you I have to keep a visual eye on the cartridge now
because the ink meter says the cartridge is 100% full though actually
contains only about 50% ink. I can live with that. At least it's
working.

Call Canon. I am sure the carts have some sort of warranty. There are
also laws in favor of merchantability. That is the item needs to perform
in a manner for which it is claimed to perform by the mfg.

 

[Taliesyn]

Taliesyn:

Which re-setter is considered the most reliable?

Norm

As I only have one type, I can't compare units. However, the Sudhaus
marketed one - the little red wedge-shaped model - works perfectly. I just
reset all the remaining color dye cartridges and then refilled them
as per the Sudhaus refill instructions. But I will be monitoring the
cartridges visually from time to time since I can't guarantee I put in as
much ink as did the manufacturer. Most refill instructions always say it's
better to put in less than more - something about "breathing" space.

The chip resetter is nicely made, round corners, and doesn't look cheap.
It comes with a little removeable cartridge holder when resetting the
small color cartridges. For the big one you don't need it. As for
reliability, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work perfectly until
the battery runs out. While it's not designed for user battery change, I
have read that they can be cracked open and the button cell battery
changed.

The Sudhaus refill ink bottles are spill-proof. You can't screw the caps
off, you just poke the needle though a membrane at the center of the
cap. I definitely can recommend this reset kit. it comes with the
resetter, 5 ink bottles (4 x 30ml & 1 x 60ml), syringes, needles, drill,
and gloves - which I never wear anyway. Who's afraid of a drop of ink. I
get more on my hands when I eat peanut butter and jam!

I have two iP4500 printers now and my sister has one. So with all these
potentially failing Canon chipped cartridges on hand, there is no way
I would operate these printers without a resetter. This to me is a self-
evident truth after watching OEM Canon chipped cartridges fail upon
first operation of the units. My second brand new iP4500 will go into
operation in the new year when I retire an older iP4000 that currently
serves only to print unimportant documents. Measekite is welcome to buy it
from me for $500 - to serve as his main printer.

-Taliesyn

 

[Taliesyn]

I do not believe what you You may have had a problem but it is not par
for the course.

How is that not "par for the course"??? Two brand new printers fail
with first use of original Canon chipped cartridges! That's a 100% failure
rate for the chip system.

Call Canon. I am sure the carts have some sort of warranty.

How does a warranty help me when I'm in the middle of an important print
job?? On other hand, a chip resetter offers immediate help. I reset the
chip and the half full cartridge was working again. And the important print
job got finished, not ruined.

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

As I only have one type, I can't compare units. However, the Sudhaus
marketed one - the little red wedge-shaped model - works perfectly. I just
reset all the remaining color dye cartridges and then refilled them
as per the Sudhaus refill instructions. But I will be monitoring the
cartridges visually from time to time since I can't guarantee I put in as
much ink as did the manufacturer. Most refill instructions always say it's
better to put in less than more - something about "breathing" space.

The chip resetter is nicely made, round corners, and doesn't look cheap.

It is just the crap ink you use.

It comes with a little removeable cartridge holder when resetting the
small color cartridges. For the big one you don't need it. As for
reliability, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work perfectly until
the battery runs out. While it's not designed for user battery change, I
have read that they can be cracked open and the button cell battery
changed.

Any way to screw the mfg.

The Sudhaus refill ink bottles are spill-proof. You can't screw the caps

That is because the buyer got screwed.

off, you just poke the needle though a membrane at the center of the
cap. I definitely can recommend this reset kit. it comes with the
resetter, 5 ink bottles (4 x 30ml & 1 x 60ml), syringes, needles, drill,
and gloves - which I never wear anyway. Who's afraid of a drop of ink. I
get more on my hands when I eat peanut butter and jam!

I have two iP4500 printers now and my sister has one. So with all these
potentially failing Canon chipped cartridges on hand, there is no way I
would operate these printers without a resetter. This to me is a self-
evident truth after watching OEM Canon chipped cartridges fail upon
first operation of the units. My second brand new iP4500 will go into
operation in the new year when I retire an older iP4000 that currently
serves only to print unimportant documents. Measekite is welcome to buy
it from me for $500 - to serve as his main printer.

I guess your crap ink ruined all of your other printers with clogged
printheads but it seems you have not learned your lesson yet.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Any way to screw the mfg.

Screw the mfg? Manufactures make products. Consumers buy them.
Consumers use these products on their own terms, not how the
manufacturer dictates it.

The RedSetter, the cheaper version, has a battery. It can be
replaced, but the cheaper version's case is glued. To replace the
battery, you have to crack it open. However, the battery should be
good enough for more than the lifetime of the printer.

I guess your crap ink ruined all of your other printers with clogged
printheads but it seems you have not learned your lesson yet.

You understand that using 3rd party ink would have little effect on
the chip attached to the cartridge? Even so, there have been
complaints about OEM canon cartridges being flagged as empty when they
aren't. I've not seen this personally, but the fact remains. The
only resolution is
1) Replace the cartridges
or
2) reset the chips

Odds are high that Canon will replace the tanks with new ones. But if
you don't want to wait for Canon to replace them, by all means use a
chipresetter.

As far as this other crap goes, so long as you are able to refill your
canon 10 times each tank you're equal to what the service manual
states as the expected life of the printer, and printhead. However,
if you are only able to refill twice, and have to replace the
printhead, it's still cheaper.

It's cheaper to buy printers and aftermarket ink then it is to buy OEM
ink for your printer.

Hell, with Epson, for the r280, it's cheaper to buy referbished
printers with ink than it is to buy just the ink.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

Indeed, I feel similarly with any chipped cartridge... Of course, that
would defeat the whole reason they put the chip there to begin with (in
spite of what they may claim).

With Epsons, which I have a lot more experience with, I have seen many
chip and chip firmware related problems, as well as hardware related
problems related to the chips. I find it ironic that purchasers end up
paying extra for the printer, and the ink cartridges, and have
additional issues with their printers so that they can be forced to buy
the manufacturer's ink. "What a 'country'!" ;-)

Art




If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

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[Arthur Entlich]

Hell, with Epson, for the r280, it's cheaper to buy refurbished
printers with ink than it is to buy just the ink.

But is the ink on the Epson also refurbished ;-)

Art

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

 > Hell, with Epson, for the r280, it's cheaper to buy refurbished
 > printers with ink than it is to buy just the ink.

  But is the ink on the Epson also refurbished ;-)

You tell me, lol.

I have to admit, I only got 1 referb epson, and that was an r200. It
came with cartridges, sealed. I didn't weigh them, but they gave no
indication of being refurbished.

I do see it on the website they do actually offer "refurbished ink".
The price is identical at least for the R280 cartridges. I have NO
idea what a refurbished cartridge is, or if they are any different
than store bought cartridges, or if it's just a website glitch.

 

[Taliesyn]

I guess your crap ink ruined all of your other printers with clogged
printheads but it seems you have not learned your lesson yet.

The iP5000 was given away in perfect condition to a neighbour, and the
iP4000, in perfect condition, is yours for a mere $500 or 5 sets of Canon
OEM cartidges... Take your pick.

I've been successfully refilling since 1995 (13 years). And because of
Canon's buggy, tempermental, cartridge chip fiasco, there's even more
reason than ever to refill and reset them at home. I can't rely on Canon
to give me reliably working AND monitoring printers. When the sensor system
****s up, the printer stops working. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BY ANY
STANDARD!

-Taliesyn

 

[John Chapman]

Righto, here's how it works.

Canon has a reservoir (80%) Sponge (20%) and a prism. When reservoir
= empty prism exposed, signals printer 20% ink remaining (low ink
warning).

Let's say you are able to keep the cartridges full all the time.
Prism not exposed so the printer should be happy? Well, they also
have a countdown as well. I don't know how many ml of ink you can use
before you trigger this failsafe.

Here's the part that applies to you. The reverse is not true. Let's
say you have a mostly full chip (above 20%) and an empty reservoir.
The printer will presume presume 20% full and start the sponge
countdown?

What does this mean? You can test the unit on a full cartridge if you
like. I'll just read 3 bars but the prism will still be happy to do
it's job.

Noise. Mine makes some noise if you shake it. It's a PC board
attached with pegs. The contacts you see are attached directly to the
board. The switch you see is actually a plastic rod that hits a push
button on the unit it self. It is a screwless wonder.

I have the Redsetter chip resetter from Sudhaus.
It works perfectly in resetting chips for my 4500
and my wife's 3500 both of which printers use the
same cartridges.

The paragraph above entitled "Noise" explains exactly
about the inside of the resetter.
*** Do not read on if you are measekite ***
I have carefully prised open the Redsetter with a sharp knife
along the whole of the bottom edge and have thus been able
to disassemble the unit and reassemble it with small screws
which means I can now change the battery if needed.
Inside there is a small pc board which is located on four
lugs or pegs which can be carefully drilled out to accept
screws. The base of the resetter has some small dimples in the
plastic. If you drill holes in the dimples at each corner then
these should line up with the lugs inside and screws can go
through the four holes in the base directly into the lugs
thereby making the resetter have a longer life.
*** DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE MEASEKITE ***
So now I have the ability to reset all my ink cartridges
and extend the life of the resetter by changing the battery

*** measekite to resume reading here ***
I love the results I get with my Canon 4500 printer.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

So now I have the ability to reset all my ink cartridges
and extend the life of the resetter by changing the battery

The question is, will it need a replacement battery?

I forget what the RedSetter's claim is, but I think it was 1500
resets. 150 resets, or 30 cartridge changes would be a good run and
only 10% of the advertised estimated life.

Don't get me wrong, useful information. I cracked my open as well.

 

[John Chapman]

IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote

The question is, will it need a replacement battery?

I forget what the RedSetter's claim is, but I think it was 1500
resets. 150 resets, or 30 cartridge changes would be a good run and
only 10% of the advertised estimated life.

Don't get me wrong, useful information. I cracked my open as well.

My experience of life tells me that if I hold a spare part ready at home
then that
spare part is never needed. If I need a spare then inevitably it will be
at a time
when the shops are closed.
I hold spares for both my boiler and my freezer neither of which have gone
wrong in 15 years.
On this basis the Redsetter will last forever.