Camera Wizard reorders photos

N

Nige

I've just bought a new camera (Canon 300D/Rebel/Kiss). I don't want to
use the Canon software, and I was pleased to say that the Camera Wizard
opened up when I plugged the camera in.

Brilliant! It renames all the photos, and puts them in a folder. But why
does it reorder them so they are no longer in chronological order?
 
Y

Yves Alarie

XP orders (lists or sorts file names) pictures by numerical/alphabetical
order as the default.
When taking photos with your camera, you must have deleted some and then
continued to take photos. When you do this, the camera uses the file number
of a deleted photo as the file number for the next photo.
So a photo taken on Monday, but deleted on Friday will be replaced by the
next photo you take on Friday and obviously placed ahead of any photo taken
in between. Your Canon software will do exactly the same.
To get them back in chronological order, set the View to Details instead of
Thumbnails. Then. right click on the column header Name. A list will open,
click on more. A list will open, check the box "Date Picture taken". This
will add the column header "Date picture taken" and if your left click on it
XP will list the file in chronological order from Date picture taken. Change
the view to Thumbnails and they will be in chronological order. To change
back to the default, open the Details view again and left click on the Name
header.
I know the camera wizard is very popular, it does get you started. But in
the end analysis, if you take a lot of photos with your Rebel (nice camera!)
and you want to get organized it is better to understand how XP list file
names and learn how to rename without the wizard.
When you have time, you can read below.

If you need to batch rename and number, you can do this easily with XP.



Make a new folder on your hard drive.

Name it something easy to remember and search for: year, month, event
separated by underline. For example:

2004_09_Summer Vacations

Copy the photos you want to place in a particular order into this new
folder. You can copy photos to this new folder from any photo folder you
have to make a new collection.

Once the photos are copied in this new folder, open the new folder. Hold the
Ctrl key down and press the letter A. This will select (highlight in blue)
all the files in the folder.

Right click on the first file (important to right click on the first file
because renaming will start from there).

Click on Rename on the opening menu.

Type in the name you want, to replace the current name. Any system will
work, such as year, month, day, event. For example type in:

2003_09_02 Virginia Beach Vacation (1).jpg

and press Enter.

XP will automatically rename all the files (1), (2), (3), etc. and they will
open in the order (1), (2), (3), etc. If you copy them to a CD, this order
will be maintained.



Two important things when renaming using the above method.

1. Look at the name of the above file, you must include a space between the
last character of the file name and (1)

2. When you rename, don't forget to add .jpg after (1). If you forget, XP
will warn you, so enter .jpg after this warning. If you don't, you will not
be able to open the file. If you still do not enter .jpg after the warning,
don't worry. Rename again and enter .jpg



You can rename any time and as many times as you want. You are not dependent
on the camera wizard to rename.

You can rename groups of files in a folder, just select the group you want
and right click on the first one in the group and rename from there.



You can do even better than this. Suppose you want a slide show and you want
the last three pictures taken to be the first three or in between some other
photos, or re-order the photos in any way. Easy to do. Open the folder in
thumbnail view, use your mouse to place the thumbnails in the order you
want. Select all the photos and rename. The (1), (2), (3), etc will be added
in the order you placed the thumbnails. They will stay in this order if you
copy to a CD because XP lists (or sorts) by file name only on a CD.



If you have many pictures in this new folder and all you want is to order
them in chronological order, moving thumbnails in the correct order is
tedious. Let XP do this for you. Change the View from Thumbnails to Details.
In the Details view, right click on the column header "Name". This will open
a list. Click on More at the bottom of the list. A list will open, check the
box "Date Picture Taken". This will add the column Date Picture Taken in
the Details view. Then you click on the column header "Date Picture taken"
and XP will now change the list of files from the name of the files (the
default) to listing files in chronological order. Now, change the View to
Thumbnails and they are in chronological order. Select them, rename them
using the above procedure and you are in business.



Convenient if you want to make a slide show of pictures from different
folders. Just make a new folder, copy the photos you want in the new folder,
place the thumbnails in the order you want and rename.

You are not restricted to only one name (you use one name for one group of
picture, another for the next group, etc.) and you can control the order in
which each group will open, by placing a number up front of the file name
for each group. You may have photos of Christmas, Easter, New Year etc. and
of different years. Once you have the thumbnails in the order you want,
select the first group, right click on the first thumbnail in the group and
rename:

1_2002 Easter (1).jpg

Then select the second group and rename

2_2002 Christmas (1).jpg

Placing 1_, 2_, etc in front will control the order of each group and (1)
controls the order within each group.

If you want to add another group later and you want the photos of this group
to be, say between 1_ and 2_, use 1a_ in front of the file name.

You may also want to add some more photos in a particular group at a later
time, say your Christmas group. No problem. Copy the files you want to add
in the folder, move the thumbnails in the group you want to add them to
where you want them. Select all the thumbnails in the group, right click on
the first one and rename. When you rename, you must change the name in order
for rename to take place. Add something like XYZ after Christmas. Once
renaming is done, select the same files again and rename again. Remove the
XYZ and you will be back to the original name.



Note: There is a disadvantage to changing the original name of files. This
is why I recommend at the start to make a new folder and copy your original
files in the new folder before renaming. The disadvantage is this. Many have
the option of video out from the camera to display the pictures from the
memory card to a TV for a slide show. If you change the file names and copy
the files back to your memory card to display on your TV (or even to just
look at them on the LCD of the camera) your camera will not be able to read
the files. You can always rename, using the same format (8 characters) that
your camera uses, but now you have to rename each file. So, be careful what
you do with your original files.



Note: Although I recommend making a new folder and copying your files there
before renaming, there is also another way to do this and you may prefer
this once you are comfortable with renaming. Here is how to do it.

Open the folder to see your files. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the
letter A to select (highlight in blue) all the files. Hold the Ctrl key down
and press the letter C. This makes a copy of all the files to your
clipboard. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the letter V. This copies
(pastes) all the files back in your folder. The file names will be the same,
but the words "Copy of" will be in front of the file names. You then rename
Copy of files.

This way your original files and renamed files are in the same folder.

This is also very useful when you want to edit a photo with software. You
always edit "Copy of", never edit your original file.



You can also use the free Irfanview software to batch rename, available
here: http://www.irfanview.com/

Another for free is Visere available here:

http://www.dmmd.net/products/products.htm



Or many others if you search via google. They all have their quirks.



A final note, if your head is not spinning by now.

When you use the above batch renaming system on XP, everything will work as
long as you are on XP. This means your XP hard drive, copy to CD etc.
However if you go out of XP you will encounter some problem. For example,
you made a photo CD on XP using the above system and you now play this CD in
your DVD. Your DVD player will not play the files in the same order. You
made the files:

Image (1).jpg

Image (2).jpg

Image (10).jpg

Image (20).jpg

They will be displayed in this order on XP but your DVD player will display
them this way:

Image (1).jpg

Image (10).jpg

Image (2).jpg

Image (20).jpg

If you want to upload these files to a Web site, some server will refuse
files with ( ) in the file name while others will accept them but will
display them the same way as your DVD player will as shown above.



So, what are you supposed to do with this conflict between XP and everything
else.

This is what I do.

1. Rename with XP with the system given above.

2. If I want to copy to a CD to play to a DVD or upload to a Web site, I
then use Irfanview. With Irfanview I rename my XP files using the default in
Irfanview:

001.image

002.image

etc.

Since Irfanview does not actually rename your original XP file names, it
only adds new file names in the same folder, I now have two sets of names
for the same files. I simply copy the Irfanview set of file names to a CD to
play on a DVD or to upload to a Web site and once done just delete them.



I know your head may be spinning about all this renaming but you can really
manipulate things very well by just sitting down and understanding the
system. With a little practice you can get what you want.

However, before renaming, make sure you make a new folder and copy some
photo files there so you can practice with no danger to your original files.
 
N

Nige

XP will automatically rename all the files (1), (2), (3), etc. and they will
open in the order (1), (2), (3), etc. If you copy them to a CD, this order
will be maintained.

Well, I thought I knew everything about the XP file system. You learn
something new every day, thank you.

I'd still like to get the Wizard to work, so I shall experiment with the
views in the wizard before moving the files to the PC.
 
N

Nigel M

I'd still like to get the Wizard to work

I've been doing a bit of Googleing, this was a known bug over two years
ago! Isn't it about time it was fixed?

The only sensible order for photos to be numbered in is the date and
time they were taken, not where on the memory card they happened to be.
 

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