Aus. PC World: No good reason to upgrade to Vista

[Charlie Wilkes]

The EXACT same things were said about XP in 2002/2003. 6 years later
and XP is now the greatest OS ever created.

You can bullshit yourself if you want, but I was around when XP launched,
and I remember.

Charlie

 

[Peter Köhlmann]

The EXACT same things were said about XP in 2002/2003. 6 years later
and XP is now the greatest OS ever created.

Xp was never a great OS, much less the greatest ever.
I was just a tiny little bit less smelly shit than WinME

This is all the normal "new OS teething problems". Vista is not "widely
considered a dud", people simply resist change.

People resist Vista because they want to keep their perfectly working
printers, scanners etc etc etc.
They also resist Vista because they want to keep their dearly paid for
software

Vista will be the
standard in another 2 years or so, just as XP took a few years to take
over from 98/2000.

Vista will never be any "standard". Except for setting the "standard" for
how not to do things

 

[Ezekiel]

You can bullshit yourself if you want, but I was around when XP launched,
and I remember.

You have a selective memory. Look back at some of the posts made here in
COLA about the time that XP came out. By most accounts XP was going to be
the end of Microsoft. Linux was surely going to win because XP was so bad.

 

[Bobmitmen]

What's the old addage:

Burn me once...shame on you
Burn me twice...shame on me
Burn me thrice...to Hell with you...

 

[the wharf rat]

The EXACT same things were said about XP in 2002/2003.

Well, I don't quite remember it that way. I do remember the same
things being said about...Millenium.

just as XP took a few years to take over from 98/2000.

Why was it that XP didn't have to take over from Windows ME, again?

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Vista has become a sort of status symbol. "Hey everybody! I've got a fast
enough computer to run this piece of shit in a manner that isn't a
complete joke." These are people who don't realize that running an OS is
only a means to an end, not an end in itself. They don't mind devoting >95%
of their computer to doing nothing useful. Oh... Animated windows. Oooooo!

Kind of like how Linux has become a status symbol for the cheap and
downtrodden.

"Hey, I found this 486/33 with 16k in the garbage and I installed Linux on
it and now I'm playing Quake. It's a little slow, but I did get it for
free.
Let's see Vista do that!"

 

[the wharf rat]

Kind of like how Linux has become a status symbol for the cheap and
downtrodden.

Like Google. Or Boeing. Or Northrup-Grumman. Or Daimler.

 

[Michel Doucet]

Bonjour/soir, le Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:10:56 -0400, *Bob Campbell* a caressé
son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

100 million sold (and counting) is not a "debacle"!

.... due to compulsory sale ... !

 

[charlie_wilkes]

Your thinking is complacent. It relies on a closed and static
predictive model, as follows:

Vista is the new XP. Eventually it will gain the same acceptance in
the marketplace that XP has gained. And then, in a few years,
Microsoft will replace Vista with something new, and it, too, will
gain acceptance after some period of time. Outside events will have
no affect on Microsoft's market share. People will continue,
indefinitely, to pay roughly $100 per PC every 2 to 4 years so they
can use the latest version of the Windows operating system.

I don't believe it. I wouldn't have used Linux a few years ago
because it would have been too much of a hassle. But now I use it
every day and it's fine. Things have changed.

Also, I never had a problem with Windows until Vista came along. I
was content to pay a license fee and join the herd. But I'm not
willing to pay a license fee to lease an OS that must remain
permanently tethered to a license server, with Microsoft periodically
checking the legal status of whatever is on my hard drive, and
replacing me as the final decision maker with respect to patches and
upgrades. I understand that Microsoft doesn't trust me. That's
fine. But I don't trust Microsoft either. And so I will NEVER use
Vista or anything like it. Things have changed.

Charlie

 

[Michel Doucet]

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:09:42 -0400, *Bob Campbell* a caressé
son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

Everyone has heard of Linux. In 15 years it has garnered the
astonishing user base of 0.65% of desktops, all while being "free".
Doesn't that tell you something?

People are really idiot ... they prefer to pay an OS which is bad rather
than using a free OS that works !

 

[Frank]

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:09:42 -0400, *Bob Campbell* a caressé
son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:




People are really idiot ...

No, you're the idiot.

they prefer to pay an OS which is bad rather

than using a free OS that works !

No, Vista is the very best OS available today.
Frank

 

[charlie_wilkes]

No, it relies on people expecting to pay for something that is useful, or
settling for something that is "free" but doesn't work out as well as they
expect. There is "free" food and lodging available in most cities, do you
use that because it is "free"? Or do you pay for something better?

In software - as in all things - you get what you pay for. Some people are
forced to accept the "free" alternatives - hell, some even like it and use
them willingly. But most people want better than what "free" has to offer.
Nothing has changed.

Everyone has heard of Linux. In 15 years it has garnered the astonishing
user base of 0.65% of desktops, all while being "free". Doesn't that tell
you something?

It tells me that Linux has not gained a significant market share over
the past 15 years. And, if one adopts a closed and static predictive
model, one may assume Linux will not gain significant market share
over the next 15 years. Clearly that is the mode of thinking you are
most comfortable with, and I will leave you to enjoy it.

Charlie

 

[Averell]

Michel Doucet a écrit :

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:09:42 -0400, *Bob Campbell* a caressé
son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:


People are really idiot ... they prefer to pay an OS which is bad rather
than using a free OS that works !

Vous n'en avez pas marre de prendre les gens pour des cons monsieur le
trolleur international bouffi de suffisance ?

 

[Michel Doucet]

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:38:48 +0100, *Hadron* a caressé son
clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

tell me, how does Photoshop work on your Linux? How is Quicken? How is a
bit of leisure time with Bioshock or Stalker?

Free and open source programs are making the same stuff than these
expensive programs

 

[Michel Doucet]

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:49:56 +0100, *Averell <"Averell* a
caressé son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

Vous n'en avez pas marre de prendre les gens pour des cons monsieur le
trolleur international bouffi de suffisance ?

Allez vous occupez de vos amis qui *essayent* d'installer le SP1 qui
n'est selon les premiers retours d'expériences qu'un emplâtre sur une
jambe de bois au lieu de faire des attaques ad hominem !!!

 

[Michel Doucet]

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:59:00 +0100, *Hadron* a caressé son
clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

Why are you telling lies?

I'm telling the truth !

 

[Michel Doucet]

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:02:57 +0000, *AZ Nomad* a caressé son
clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

They don't pay for it volunteeraly. If computers were sold separately, a
lot fewer people would pay for microsoft's garbage.

For sure

 

[Matt]

tell me, how does Photoshop work on your Linux? How is Quicken? How is a
bit of leisure time with Bioshock or Stalker?

What? They don't work?

Oh. I see. Your "needs" are not the same as other peoples.

Excellent point. There are tens or hundreds of millions of people who
don't need the apps you mention---and have never even heard of them.

 

[the wharf rat]

In software you get what you pay for.

Haven't bought much software in your life, huh? Anyone
who *has* can come up with a dozen examples of very expensive pieces
of software that didn't work worth a damn. If you got what your software
dollar paid for then the 500 million dollar software system supposed to
route luggage at the Denver airport would be a textbook staple for very
different reasons than it is.

But most people want better than what "free" has to offer.

Which is why most of them run sendmail, apache, and perl, hmmm?
Your critical mistake is equating cost and quality, a particularly
egregious mistake when you're dealing with the product of what even today
are more artists and craftsmen than technicians.

Anyway, the best things in life are free. Didn't you know that?

 

[Averell]

Michel Doucet a écrit :

Bonjour/soir, le Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:49:56 +0100, *Averell <"Averell* a
caressé son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:


Allez vous occupez de vos amis qui *essayent* d'installer le SP1 qui
n'est selon les premiers retours d'expériences qu'un emplâtre sur une
jambe de bois au lieu de faire des attaques ad hominem !!!

Vous pleurnichez alors que vous insultez tous les utilisateurs sans
distinction. Vos oreilles d'âne obsédé vous aveugle.