Aus. PC World: No good reason to upgrade to Vista

[Charlie Wilkes]

"At the end of the decade, when Microsoft's executives look back at the
debacle that was Windows Vista, they'll see that simply slapping a fresh
coat of paint on an otherwise aging Windows architecture wasn't enough to
fool anybody. Let's hope they also realize that, as with any major
update, they needed to make their case to IT. Focusing on consumers while
ignoring their enterprise customers, and assuming IT shops would simply
fall in line, was no way to execute a platform migration."

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1155325152;pp;1;fp;2;fpid;2
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This is an interesting article that will put to rest any nagging doubts
experienced by those who have opted to stick with XP.

Charlie

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

"At the end of the decade, when Microsoft's executives look back at the
debacle that was Windows Vista, they'll see that simply slapping a fresh
coat of paint on an otherwise aging Windows architecture wasn't enough to
fool anybody. Let's hope they also realize that, as with any major
update, they needed to make their case to IT. Focusing on consumers while
ignoring their enterprise customers, and assuming IT shops would simply
fall in line, was no way to execute a platform migration."

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1155325152;pp;1;fp;2;fpid;2
________________________________________________________________________

This is an interesting article that will put to rest any nagging doubts
experienced by those who have opted to stick with XP.

Charlie

I may differ with other Windows users but I see no reason to upgrade to
Vista.
It does not currently offer me anything that I don't already have with
Windows XP Professional.

For professional digital audio work, Vista currently offers worse
performance because the audio interface manufacturers as well as DAW
software companies are just getting their feet wet with Vista.

 

[Frank]

"At the end of the decade, when Microsoft's executives look back at the
debacle that was Windows Vista, they'll see that simply slapping a fresh
coat of paint on an otherwise aging Windows architecture wasn't enough to
fool anybody. Let's hope they also realize that, as with any major
update, they needed to make their case to IT. Focusing on consumers while
ignoring their enterprise customers, and assuming IT shops would simply
fall in line, was no way to execute a platform migration."

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1155325152;pp;1;fp;2;fpid;2
________________________________________________________________________

This is an interesting article that will put to rest any nagging doubts
experienced by those who have opted to stick with XP.

Charlie

Really? Wait until they find out the train has left the station.
Fukk'em!
Frank

oh...and fukk you too loser.

 

[Matt]

Even The Greatest OS Ever -
XP - didn't sell such numbers in its first year.

There were not as many computers in the world in the first year of XP as
there were in the first year of Vista.

 

[Jim]

There were not as many computers in the world in the first year of XP as
there were in the first year of Vista.

While that is no doubt true, the fact remains. If you sell 100
million of anything in a year, it is not a "debacle".

If 100 million sold in a year is a "debacle", what is "free" Linux
with its pathetic showing after 15 years? A cluster ****? A joke?
A footnote in computing history? So useless it can't even be given
away?

All of the above?

 

[Mick Murphy]

I agree with you. I use XP Pro.

I only installed vista on an old computer as some of my customers have it,
and I need to give them advice, as they are totally lost after moving from XP.
As an OS, it is a waste of space!

 

[kevpan815]

I Just Re-Installed Windows Vista Service Pack One Today, And It's Working
Great, Just FYI. I Am However Looking Forward 2 Getting My Hands On The
Official Beta Of Open Source Linux Ubuntu 8.04 Long Term Support, Which Comes
Out On This Thursday, Just FYI.

 

[Kevpan815]

Oh No, I Just Soiled Myself. Just FYI. I Need To Change Diapers. Just FYI

Be Right Back.

Just FYI

 

[Lang Murphy]

"At the end of the decade, when Microsoft's executives look back at the
debacle that was Windows Vista, they'll see that simply slapping a fresh
coat of paint on an otherwise aging Windows architecture wasn't enough to
fool anybody. Let's hope they also realize that, as with any major
update, they needed to make their case to IT. Focusing on consumers while
ignoring their enterprise customers, and assuming IT shops would simply
fall in line, was no way to execute a platform migration."

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1155325152;pp;1;fp;2;fpid;2
________________________________________________________________________

This is an interesting article that will put to rest any nagging doubts
experienced by those who have opted to stick with XP.

Charlie

Nagging doubts? Well, I might agree that I wouldn't run a Vista upgrade
install. Just like many of the folks who tried to run the OS X Leopard
upgrade on a box running OS X Tiger. Never have trusted OS upgrades; way too
messy.

But if you mean just moving from XP to Vista... no problems here. I've done
clean Vista installs on at least six different Dell models and Vista's run
solid as a rock on all systems. I've got Vista running on a Mac Pro here...
runs great. For real.

And... c'mon... while MS didn't deliver on all the promises about Vista that
they made six or seven years ago, Vista is definitely more than "...simply
slapping a fresh coat of paint..." on XP. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply
doesn't care to acknowledge the differences between XP and Vista.

All this coming from a guy who spends most of his leisure time in OS X
10.5.2 these days...

Lang

 

[Not Me]

They didn't repaint XP, they did a very poor body off restore/update.
Yoo bad they did a poor job.
Instead of increasing the value, they decreased it.
They took a 59 Caddy and restored it with parts from a 73 Chevette.

 

[graham1cr]

"At the end of the decade, when Microsoft's executives look back at the
debacle that was Windows Vista, they'll see that simply slapping a fresh
coat of paint on an otherwise aging Windows architecture wasn't enough to
fool anybody. Let's hope they also realize that, as with any major
update, they needed to make their case to IT. Focusing on consumers while
ignoring their enterprise customers, and assuming IT shops would simply
fall in line, was no way to execute a platform migration."

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1155325152;pp;1;fp;2;fpid;2
________________________________________________________________________

This is an interesting article that will put to rest any nagging doubts
experienced by those who have opted to stick with XP.

Charlie

"No good reason to upgrade to Vista"

True, if you want to use it as an office machine or to run current
games. But some games now, and soon many, require DirectX 10 which XP
doesn't have. That's the only reason i switched, to run FlightSimX and
Crysis.

p.s. just installed SP1 without a hitch, took 57 mins

Graham

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Nagging doubts? Well, I might agree that I wouldn't run a Vista upgrade
install. Just like many of the folks who tried to run the OS X Leopard
upgrade on a box running OS X Tiger. Never have trusted OS upgrades; way
too messy.

But if you mean just moving from XP to Vista... no problems here. I've
done clean Vista installs on at least six different Dell models and
Vista's run solid as a rock on all systems. I've got Vista running on a
Mac Pro here... runs great. For real.

And... c'mon... while MS didn't deliver on all the promises about Vista
that they made six or seven years ago, Vista is definitely more than
"...simply slapping a fresh coat of paint..." on XP. Anyone who thinks
otherwise simply doesn't care to acknowledge the differences between XP
and Vista.

You may quibble as you see fit. The larger point the authors are making
is that Vista doesn't deliver benefits that justify the cost of buying a
new OS and deploying it across an enterprise. Microsoft's strategy for
Vista has been to market it to consumers as eye candy and hope that
businesses fall in line. This has led to a lot of resentment.

Charlie

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Oh brother! Start with a faulty premise, end with a faulty
conclusion. 100 million sold (and counting) is not a "debacle"! Linux
and OS X wish they had such a "debacle"! Even The Greatest OS Ever -
XP - didn't sell such numbers in its first year.

You need to pull your head out of the sand. Microsoft has worked the
numbers very skillfully, but Vista is widely perceived as a dud.
Consumers are frustrated and disappointed because of software and
hardware incompatibilities. Businesses and public agencies are mostly
avoiding Vista. Of the 100 million Vista licenses Microsoft has
supposedly sold, a large number have been quietly converted to XP
downgrades. It's not a pretty picture. Let's hope Microsoft gets it
right next time.

Charlie

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

While that is no doubt true, the fact remains. If you sell 100 million
of anything in a year, it is not a "debacle".

Vista may not be perceived as a debacle by Microsoft, because they are
the party who sold the licenses and ended up with the money. But for
consumers and businesses who paid for these licenses, it's safe to say
that a large number of them regard Vista as a debacle.

Read the news if you doubt me.

Charlie

 

[Linonut]

* Charlie Wilkes peremptorily fired off this memo:

"At the end of the decade, when Microsoft's executives look back at the
debacle that was Windows Vista, they'll see that simply slapping a fresh
coat of paint on an otherwise aging Windows architecture wasn't enough to
fool anybody. Let's hope they also realize that, as with any major
update, they needed to make their case to IT. Focusing on consumers while
ignoring their enterprise customers, and assuming IT shops would simply
fall in line, was no way to execute a platform migration."

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1155325152;pp;1;fp;2;fpid;2
________________________________________________________________________

This is an interesting article that will put to rest any nagging doubts
experienced by those who have opted to stick with XP.

Or, like many here, stick with Linux.

 

[Linonut]

* Jim peremptorily fired off this memo:

While that is no doubt true, the fact remains. If you sell 100
million of anything in a year, it is not a "debacle".

True. In the case of Vista, it is "channel-stuffing".

 

[Robin T Cox]

While that is no doubt true, the fact remains. If you sell 100 million
of anything in a year, it is not a "debacle".

But if you sell 100 million customers an expensive load of junk, you now
have 100 million *dissatisfied* customers who will not be back again next
time.

That's a debacle.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Not in the real world. A lot of business wont upgrade because of "need"
and "cost" - XP "works for them". Only in COLA does XP BSOD every 2
seconds. Pretty much everyone I know who inherited Vista with a new
machine says it works fine.

Sure. It works, or can be made to work, if you don't mind taking a huge
performance whack and putting up with some fluky behavior here and
there.

Sure a few had driver problems but, hey, in
COLA speak thats hardly MSs problem now is it!

Frankly I don't like Vista - too much under the hood and I simply don't
see the need for it.

That's exactly what the article I am quoting from has concluded. They
don't say Vista is impossible to use, just that it's not worth it.

XP does a good job of work and is good enough for
me to play the odd game, and Debian pretty much does the rest now.


What is this "large number": Can you cite numbers?

Of course not. No one keeps such statistics at a macro level. It's all
anecdotal, but there are a lot of anecdotes floating around. And there
are a lot of XP users who aren't planning to "upgrade" to Vista, now or
anytime.

Charlie

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Sorry Charlie - but you're full of it.

XP is running on probably 70% of the worlds desktops and they're not all
hosed.

I'm talking about Vista, not XP. I agree that XP is a fine OS.

/ ... /

Me too. But what has that to do with Linux?

It's all part of the big picture.

Charlie

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Not in the real world. A lot of business wont upgrade because of "need"
and "cost" - XP "works for them". Only in COLA does XP BSOD every 2
seconds. Pretty much everyone I know who inherited Vista with a new
machine says it works fine. Sure a few had driver problems but, hey, in
COLA speak thats hardly MSs problem now is it!

That is exactly how it is in the real world.
Many businesses are still using Windows 2000 server because it works for
them, upgrading across a large corporation is expensive and the costs far
outweigh the benefits.

What is happening with Vista happened with Windows XP when it was first
released.
Ths Linux nuts were screaming back then about how Linux was going to take
over because Windows XP was such a failure.

Is this the year of Linux?

Frankly I don't like Vista - too much under the hood and I simply don't
see the need for it. XP does a good job of work and is good enough for
me to play the odd game, and Debian pretty much does the rest now.

Smae here.
I have no reason to buy Vista and in fact for my DAW work, Vista would be a
downgrade at the moment due to hardware and software support.

What is this "large number": Can you cite numbers?

Of course he can't.

Maybe the same "reliable source" that tells Roy Schestowitz all kinds of
things is also talking to the rest of the group.