another update to firefox to 3.03

[robinb]

Firefox 3.0.3 contains the following changes:

a.. Fixed a problem where users were unable to retrieve saved passwords or
save new passwords
robin

 

[gene]

Firefox 3.0.3 contains the following changes:

a.. Fixed a problem where users were unable to retrieve saved passwords or
save new passwords
robin

What is the relevance of Firefox in general and its password fixes to
this newsgroup, Microsoft Privacy Security Spyware Announcements? Same
with an earlier post about Thunderbird. Let's stick to announcements
for those applications that are at least directly relevant to the
subject of the group, MS-related security and spyware.

Gene

 

[Tom Emmelot]

Hi Gene,

And that is just what we doing here!
We use the OS from MS.
A lot of things related to safety are upgrades to prevent you from those
nasty things also when they are not from MS!
Keep your system running and upgrade all!!
So keep up the good work Robin!

Regards >*< TOM >*<



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[gene]

Hi Gene,

And that is just what we doing here!
We use the OS from MS.
A lot of things related to safety are upgrades to prevent you from those
nasty things also when they are not from MS!
Keep your system running and upgrade all!!
So keep up the good work Robin!

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Retrieving saved passwords in Firefox is a security and spyware issue?
And why just Firefox? I use Secunia PSI and it's monitoring my computer
for security updates on 166 applications. Are you suggesting that
posting updates for all of them here is appropriate - and everyone does
theirs too? I thought the topic of this newsgroup was a much
narrower focus. Perhaps one of the appointed or de facto moderators
could clarify it.

Gene

 

[John A]

Well I really appreciate this forum - the people who hang out here are
most courteous and helpful and I find the posts are very relevant to
the topic and very useful.

John

 

[Bill Sanderson]

These are peer to peer unmoderated groups.

Your sentiments are far better expressed than those of "Jack Ass", who
shares your preference about sticking closer to the stated topic.

I'd prefer myself that the groups stick closer to topic, but I also value
the broader community, and feel that some excursions into security-related
areas beyond Windows Defender are reasonable.

Microsoft's rules of conduct for these groups can be found here:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

"Jack Ass" regularly transgresses these and his posts are sometimes removed
for that reason. I'd urge everybody to re-read these occasionally.

 

[gene]

These are peer to peer unmoderated groups.

Your sentiments are far better expressed than those of "Jack Ass", who
shares your preference about sticking closer to the stated topic.

I'd prefer myself that the groups stick closer to topic, but I also value
the broader community, and feel that some excursions into security-related
areas beyond Windows Defender are reasonable.

Microsoft's rules of conduct for these groups can be found here:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

"Jack Ass" regularly transgresses these and his posts are sometimes removed
for that reason. I'd urge everybody to re-read these occasionally.

I very much agree with you about "JA." If there had been an urgent
special security update for FF or Thunderbird, I wouldn't have said
anything. But the past two or three have not even claimed to be in the
ballpark. The presence of a new post means I, and presumably most
people using a newsreader or their email client, have to either look at
it directly or go to it in some way to mark it read. Thus, I appreciate
it when people stay on or arguably close to the group topic.

Gene

 

[Bill Sanderson]

The other detail to remember then, is that the vast majority of the users
here aren't coming in via NNTP, but are viewing the group through some web
mechanism--in a number of cases, one which doesn't even give sufficient
description of the group for the users to be sure what the topic is!

This is simply the way things are, I'm afraid, and Microsofts stated
direction and work priorities will make NNTP less and less a piece of the
pie as time goes on.

These groups were never a fomal part of Usenet, and the values and
conventions thereof are disappearing--I've never managed to bring myself to
bottom post for more than short periods of time to specific users who
complain, for example!

 

[Robinb]

thank you tom- I could not have said that better
robin

 

[Robinb]

I have spoke to microsoft about this newsgroup and they have no problems
with us posting third party antivirus,antispyware and safer software as long
as it done in a respectful, curtious manner.. They like to know that all of
them work with WD and which ones do not. They also know that WD is not the
all all antispyware software and other antispyware software can be a back up
and compliment it.

If microsoft has no problems with it why should you or anyone else here?
robin

 

[Robinb]

as in you- that was meant for gene and anyone else that has a problem with
it.
As for you Bill, I accidently piggy backed it on your post.
Sorry Bill- it was not meant for you
robin

 

[Alan]

You seem to have a problem with Jews. Why is that?

Alan

 

[gene]

I have spoke to microsoft about this newsgroup and they have no problems
with us posting third party antivirus,antispyware and safer software as long
as it done in a respectful, curtious manner.. They like to know that all of
them work with WD and which ones do not. They also know that WD is not the
all all antispyware software and other antispyware software can be a back up
and compliment it.

If microsoft has no problems with it why should you or anyone else here?
robin

You stil haven't explained how a fix for retrieving saved passwords
that helps some Firefox users was an antivirus, antispyware update
(or even qualifies as "safer software," whatever that means). Nor how
someone else's post on the 25th that I've referred to - "Thunderbird
2.0.0.17 is now available" - qualifies. There's no problem with some
flexibility; I just suspect you posted an update of an application you
happen to like without really thinking about how it fit the newsgroup's
focus or the implications for others of doing so. I'm asking you to
think about it now.

Gene

 

[Anonymous Bob]

You stil haven't explained how a fix for retrieving saved passwords
that helps some Firefox users was an antivirus, antispyware update
(or even qualifies as "safer software," whatever that means). Nor how
someone else's post on the 25th that I've referred to - "Thunderbird
2.0.0.17 is now available" - qualifies. There's no problem with some
flexibility; I just suspect you posted an update of an application you
happen to like without really thinking about how it fit the newsgroup's
focus or the implications for others of doing so. I'm asking you to
think about it now.

Gene

There are those of us who appreciate Robin's posts.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9959427-16.html

I would guess that most people don't care one way or another. We are a
friendly group here and tend to resent those who are less friendly. I'm
asking you to think about that now.

Respectfully,
Bob

 

[gene]

There are those of us who appreciate Robin's posts.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9959427-16.html

I would guess that most people don't care one way or another. We are a
friendly group here and tend to resent those who are less friendly. I'm
asking you to think about that now.

Respectfully,
Bob

You have me confused with someone else.

Gene

 

[Pat Willener]

You stil haven't explained how a fix for retrieving saved passwords
that helps some Firefox users was an antivirus, antispyware update
(or even qualifies as "safer software," whatever that means). Nor how
someone else's post on the 25th that I've referred to - "Thunderbird
2.0.0.17 is now available" - qualifies. There's no problem with some
flexibility; I just suspect you posted an update of an application you
happen to like without really thinking about how it fit the newsgroup's
focus or the implications for others of doing so. I'm asking you to
think about it now.

Gene

If the Firefox 3.0.2 announcement was a "legitimate" post to this group,
as it contained several security fixes, then the 3.0.3 should be
"legitimate" as well, as it fixes a regression that occurred in 3.0.2.

Keeping all vulnerable softwares up-to-date is one of the most important
items in keeping our systems free of malware, and therefore posting
security updates for all softwares is 100% within the specs of this group.

There are, of course, people who do not wish that people keep their
softwares up-to-date, as it hampers their efforts to distribute malware
on as many systems as possible. These spammers / scammers / hackers /
criminals make regular appearances in this and similar newsgroups,
trying to intimidate posters of software update announcements. So far, I
am happy to conclude, without much success.

 

[Alan D]

Keeping all vulnerable softwares up-to-date is one of the most important
items in keeping our systems free of malware, and therefore posting
security updates for all softwares is 100% within the specs of this group.

I entirely agree. I find the reminders and update alerts invaluable, and
it's entirely in keeping with the eminently sensible holistic attitude
towards protecting ourselves against malware. My thanks to Robin and all the
other who are keeping an eye on the ball.

 

[gene]

If the Firefox 3.0.2 announcement was a "legitimate" post to this group,
as it contained several security fixes, then the 3.0.3 should be
"legitimate" as well, as it fixes a regression that occurred in 3.0.2.

Keeping all vulnerable softwares up-to-date is one of the most important
items in keeping our systems free of malware, and therefore posting
security updates for all softwares is 100% within the specs of this group.

"All vulnerable softwares" is a large category, far more numerous than
I suspect most would appreciate seeing posted here, given the title of
the newsgroup and 99% of the posts. For the kind of broader notice
protection you mention, take a look at Secunia's desktop version of PSI
(free), which provides timely notice of security updates for all types
of applications installed on your computer
(http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning). All one has to do is
hover over their icon in the Notification Tray to check on status.

Gene

 

[Pat Willener]

"All vulnerable softwares" is a large category, far more numerous than
I suspect most would appreciate seeing posted here, given the title of
the newsgroup and 99% of the posts. For the kind of broader notice
protection you mention, take a look at Secunia's desktop version of PSI
(free), which provides timely notice of security updates for all types
of applications installed on your computer
(http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning). All one has to do is
hover over their icon in the Notification Tray to check on status.

Gene

I know and appreciate Secunia's various vulnerability scanners. If
everybody would use them, then there would be not much more demand for
newsgroups like this.