Acrobat Reader memory

[Gary R. Schmidt]

dadiOH wrote:
[SNIP stuff about invalid sig delimiter...]

Just checked your message with id <2kTSf.8383$bu.7538@trnddc04>, came
into my NNTP server with a delimiter of "--", no trailing space.

Fix it, your barbarian lout! It's not _that_ difficult.

Or at least stop claiming that messages leave you with a valid delimiter.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[David]

sabato 18 marzo 2006 Peter Seiler ha scritto:


Dialog can automatically manage the dadiOH's faulty sig "--" as they were
"-- ".
However putting the cursor after the second hyphen and hitting the right
arrow on the keyboard I can see that there is no space and they come out
with the wrong "--".

In Agent I see only "--" that is no space.

 

[Al Klein]

sabato 18 marzo 2006 Peter Seiler ha scritto:

Dialog can automatically manage the dadiOH's faulty sig "--" as they were
"-- ".

So can Agent. There's no space, but some newsreaders can figure out
that it's a brain dead Outlook cut line.

 

[Al Klein]

2. Some have problems with my sig, others don't. That means the problem
isn't at my end.

It is - but some newsreaders can handle a cut line that doesn't quite
meet the RFC - probably *because* OE is known to mangle it.

 

[Al Klein]

My understanding from doing a Google is that this little program is
supposed to make Acrobat Reader able to open the .pdf file faster.

Evidently it doesn't work.

My question is, how smart was Adobe to create such a thing? Better yet,
since if they can write software that does this kind of thing, *anybody*
can, how smart was it for Microsoft to make such a thing possible in
their OS?

Unless I'm missing something, simply clicking on a file name ONCE could
theoretically or even factually start the downloading, installation
and-or running of *any* kind of malware.

Not really - when you install Acrobat Reader, it sets things up this
way. The malware author would have to get you to install his program
- not a clever move on your part, right?

I would like to know, if possible, how to deactivate this kind of thing.
Is it a service running in the background that allows left clicking once
on a file name to activate a program or is it something that's built
into the kernel or what?

It's called "association". You click on a .doc file and Word runs.
You click on an .xls file and Excel runs. .pdf is no different -
click on a file and the program associated with it runs.

I LOATH .pdf files and just wish they would go away so that there would
be no need for a .pdf file reader on my system.

What other file format would you suggest that does what .pdf files do?
Word's handling of pictures is pretty lame. (Granted, Adobe's
handling of some other things is lame too.)

 

[Peter Seiler]

Al Klein - 18.03.2006 19:46 :

So can Agent. There's no space, but some newsreaders can figure out
that it's a brain dead Outlook cut line.

ok, but the origin of the "--" is dadiH's editor/newsreader
producing/sending faulty SIGs. IMO it should not be the job of a
receivers newsreader to correct that faulty SIG.

I dont now other newsreaders, but my Netscape/Mozilla acts as Dialog
seems to do.

IMO the best/simplest and logic solution would be a right configured
newdreader/editor at the side of the poster.

 

[John Corliss]

Evidently it doesn't work.

Hard to say on my system.

Not really - when you install Acrobat Reader, it sets things up this
way. The malware author would have to get you to install his program
- not a clever move on your part, right?

No, you're missing the point. Remember the .jpg exploit? What's to stop
some malware author from exploiting .pdf files?

It's called "association". You click on a .doc file and Word runs.
You click on an .xls file and Excel runs. .pdf is no different -
click on a file and the program associated with it runs.

Please Al, give me credit for the brains God gave to a pissant. 80)>
I know what file associations are, and on my system single clicking
doesn't open a file in its associated program. Maybe you have your
computer configured to open files on single click, but I don't. I've
always thought it was a bad idea from a security viewpoint and for
exactly this reason have always stuck with double clicking to open a
file. Now Adobe has worked around this and it's not optional. I don't
like it a bit.

What other file format would you suggest that does what .pdf files do?

How about HTML or, better yet, XML?

Word's handling of pictures is pretty lame.

Yep, I wouldn't use Microsoft Word on my computer if somebody was
holding a loaded gun to my head. OpenOffice, frankly, isn't much better
IMO. Neither have "reveal codes" like WordPerfect, which I use and
always will.

(Granted, Adobe's handling of some other things is lame too.)

Main reason I don't like .pdf files is that I can't edit even
unprotected .pdf files without the full version Adobe Acrobat. And most
..pdf files are protected needlessly. Converting them to text files drops
all the formatting, including paragraph marks.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett, Doc (who uses sock puppets)
or Roger Johansson, for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial
software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware,
spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

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--

Which is why I use OE Quotefix. If I email something to myself it
is correct when it arrives; if I respond to myself (in a NG), the
original sig is stripped..

Probably OEQF is just treating the broken delimiters as if they had
spaces. It's certainly not helping you send proper delimiters.

1. Don't want to.

Don't want to fix the problem, or just don't want to use OE6?

2. Some have problems with my sig, others don't. That means the
problem isn't at my end.

Above, you said `dash dash space' is correct. I guess you've changed
your mind.

 

[Al Klein]

Hard to say on my system.

I've yet to see a recent version of Acrobat open a decent size
document on a reasonable computer at any speed that deserves the word
"fast", in any of its forms, in the same sentence (unless you consider
"slow" to be a form of fast).

No, you're missing the point. Remember the .jpg exploit? What's to stop
some malware author from exploiting .pdf files?

You mean someone sending a file names something.jpg.exe to a user who
has extension display turned off?

I don't hold the bank robber fully responsible for robbing a bank if
the employees leave the front door AND the safe open overnight. If
you have extension display turned off you should be wary of a file
named something.jpg.

Please Al, give me credit for the brains God gave to a pissant. 80)>
I know what file associations are, and on my system single clicking
doesn't open a file in its associated program.

It does in IE. It doesn't outside IE for a .pdf. I'm discussing the
point YOU brought up.

Now Adobe has worked around this and it's not optional. I don't
like it a bit.

Nope. If I single-click a .pdf file on my desktop it highlights, it
doesn't open. Are you saying that Adobe changes that for .pdf
documents? It changes the way Windows works?

How about HTML or, better yet, XML?

No, not yet. Maybe in the future, maybe not. But I can't take a
bunch of text and pictures, run them through a program, and come out
with a single HTML or XML document that will display the text,
columns, pictures, all fonts, all colors. etc. I can with a.pdf.

Yep, I wouldn't use Microsoft Word on my computer if somebody was
holding a loaded gun to my head.

Sometimes a signed check looks a lot like a loaded gun.

Main reason I don't like .pdf files is that I can't edit even
unprotected .pdf files without the full version Adobe Acrobat.

You can't edit Word docs with the Word document reader either.

And most .pdf files are protected needlessly. Converting them to text files drops
all the formatting, including paragraph marks.

Not when you do it in full Acrobat. Not that I like the results
anyway. One has to know a little more than how to type to produce a
good .pdf. Or a good .doc. Or a good anything.

 

[David]

It is - but some newsreaders can handle a cut line that doesn't quite
meet the RFC - probably *because* OE is known to mangle it.

One possible solution worthy of trial is to use a sigfile. Include the
"-- " line as the first line of the file. When the sigfile is added to
the end of the post the line should be preserved.

I don't know if OE is so broken that it can't use a sigfile since I
have never used OE.

 

[John Corliss]

I've yet to see a recent version of Acrobat open a decent size
document on a reasonable computer at any speed that deserves the word
"fast", in any of its forms, in the same sentence (unless you consider
"slow" to be a form of fast).



You mean someone sending a file names something.jpg.exe to a user who
has extension display turned off?

No, but maybe that was a bad analogy. Perhaps the .wmf exploit:

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2006/01/inside-wmf-backdoor.html

would have been better.

I don't hold the bank robber fully responsible for robbing a bank if
the employees leave the front door AND the safe open overnight. If
you have extension display turned off you should be wary of a file
named something.jpg.

Of course *I* do not have extension display turned off. And that's not
the issue with .pdf files anyway.

It does in IE.

I'm not TALKING about IE! I'm talking about *Windows Explorer*! I
couldn't care any LESS about that bloated, buggy, featureless POS IE
that MS shoves down all of our thoats. I'm talking about the built in
file manager that comes with Windows, NOT the lame browser that is
"integrated into the OS."

It doesn't outside IE for a .pdf.

Yes it DOES! And that is exactly my point!

I'm discussing the point YOU brought up.

The point I brought up, and I quote, is:

"I recently took note of the fact that when I open Windows Explorer and
then select (left click once on) a file name ending in ".pdf", Windows
Task Manager indicates that an executable named "AcroRd32Info.exe"
initiates and then runs for 30 seconds."

Notice that I say "Windows Explorer" and not "Internet Explorer".
Windows Explorer NOT Internet Explorer.

Can I be any clearer? 80)>

Nope. If I single-click a .pdf file on my desktop it highlights, it
doesn't open.

But I never said anything about single clicking on a file on your desktop.

Are you saying that Adobe changes that for .pdf
documents? It changes the way Windows works?

BINGO!!! I didn't say that it does this if you single click on a .pdf
file on your desktop. I said that it does it if you single click on a
..pdf's filename in Windows Explorer.

Try this if you have Acrobat Reader 7 installed, and then immediately
open the Windows Task Manager. You'll see a process named
"AcroRd32Info.exe" run for about 30 seconds after you single click on
the .pdf filename *_in Windows Explorer_*.

No, not yet. Maybe in the future, maybe not. But I can't take a
bunch of text and pictures, run them through a program, and come out
with a single HTML or XML document that will display the text,
columns, pictures, all fonts, all colors. etc. I can with a.pdf.

If somebody distributes an XML or HTML or (heck) even a .doc file, I can
save those files and edit them with freeware products (OpenOffice.org,
for instance.) The same is not true about .pdf files and *that* is what
I detest about them.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett, Doc (who uses sock puppets)
or Roger Johansson, for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial
software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware,
spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[dadiOH]

Don't want to fix the problem, or just don't want to use OE6?

The latter, primarily. I have nothing against it, just avoid
adding/updating programs unless there is some benefit I need which can
be gained by doing so. Now, one could say that the benefit of updating
OE is proper handling of signatures but that isn't a benefit to me, it
is a benefit to a handful of people who find it troublesome to either
(a) leave it when replying or (b) snip it. I could just as easily
suggest that they use a newsreader that is more flexible in handling
signatures.

It's not that I am trying to be a hardass about it, just that I went
through the same thing months ago in this same group (the only group in
which someone bitched)...for some habitues, the sig was fine; for
others, it wasn't. I spent considerable time with this and that,
finally arriving at one that seemed to be fine for most everybody.

I'm still willing to change it if you care to offer a simple solution
other than updating OE or using another news reader. "David", in a post
above, suggested using a file for the sig. This post is using a file.
Any better for you (I doubt it)?
______________________

Above, you said `dash dash space' is correct. I guess you've changed
your mind.

I never said it wasn't.

--

dadiOH
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[dadiOH]

"David", in a post
above, suggested using a file for the sig. This post is using a file.

There was a superflous carriage return, this removed it.

--
dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[Peter Seiler]

dadiOH - 19.03.2006 15:54 :

The latter, primarily. I have nothing against it, just avoid
adding/updating programs unless there is some benefit I need which can
be gained by doing so. Now, one could say that the benefit of updating
OE is proper handling of signatures but that isn't a benefit to me, it
is a benefit to a handful of people who find it troublesome to either
(a) leave it when replying or (b) snip it.

there are some "rules" how newsreader have to function basucally, IMO
named RFC. In this case of SIG-delimiter OE is not RFC-compliant. And
your behavior in this case is a bit unsocial. Indeed it is not very hard
to the responders to your posts eliminating your fault SIGs each time
they answer (how long?) or ignore your faulty SIG and therefor repost it
each time - as I said, e little bit unsocial.

I could just as easily
suggest that they use a newsreader that is more flexible in handling
signatures.

NO! The solution always should be searched within the origin!

It's not that I am trying to be a hardass about it, just that I went
through the same thing months ago in this same group (the only group in
which someone bitched)...for some habitues, the sig was fine; for
others, it wasn't. I spent considerable time with this and that,
finally arriving at one that seemed to be fine for most everybody.

I'm still willing to change it if you care to offer a simple solution
other than updating OE or using another news reader. "David", in a post
above, suggested using a file for the sig. This post is using a file.
Any better for you (I doubt it)?

No, not better, faulty tha ever ("--") as you can see. The thing with a
file for the SIG was only one suggestion to be proofed. But this idea
doesn't work.

My recommendation: Please search for some special OE-forums or look at

microsoft.public.de.german.windowsxp.sonstiges or even better

microsoft.public.de.german.windowsxp.sonstiges

these are german NGs I'm using, but there are English NGs as well. I'm
shure there is/are simple solution(s) especially to this very wellknown
OE-"feature".

or

simply don't use any SIG when faulty.

______________________


I never said it wasn't.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

as you can see, your SIG is faulty as ever.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

The latter, primarily. I have nothing against it, just avoid
adding/updating programs unless there is some benefit I need which
can be gained by doing so. Now, one could say that the benefit of
updating OE is proper handling of signatures but that isn't a
benefit to me

The only benefit to you would be your knowledge that you'd no longer
be broadcasting misformatted posts. As others note, it's your
responsibility not to misformat what you send out, but I guess
that's not a responsibility you recognize.

I'm still willing to change it if you care to offer a simple
solution other than updating OE or using another news reader.

I don't know of a way other than updating to a not-so-broken version of
OE. The folks in the OE 5 newsgroup(s) may be able to help.

I never said it wasn't.

Sorry, I misunderstood you before. The misformatting of your posts is
at your end, but I see now that you'd don't consider that a problem per
se.

 

[Terry Russell]

dadiOH - 19.03.2006 15:54 :

there are some "rules" how newsreader have to function basucally, IMO
named RFC. In this case of SIG-delimiter OE is not RFC-compliant. And
your behavior in this case is a bit unsocial. Indeed it is not very hard
to the responders to your posts eliminating your fault SIGs each time
they answer (how long?) or ignore your faulty SIG and therefor repost it
each time - as I said, e little bit unsocial.

I could just as easily
suggest that they use a newsreader that is more flexible in handling
signatures.

?NO! The solution always should be searched within the origin!

Using OE6 it is your posts that come out malformed with incorrect quotes
the solution for me is for you to use OE .

 

[Al Klein]

BINGO!!! I didn't say that it does this if you single click on a .pdf
file on your desktop. I said that it does it if you single click on a
.pdf's filename in Windows Explorer.

Shows how much I know about Windows. You're right. I retract all my
previous posts on this subject.

If somebody distributes an XML or HTML or (heck) even a .doc file, I can
save those files and edit them with freeware products (OpenOffice.org,
for instance.) The same is not true about .pdf files and *that* is what
I detest about them.

1) You can't edit all .doc files in freeware products.

2) You can't easily edit all XML files in freeware.

3) I thought your complaint was AcroRd opening on a single click, not
that editing a .pdf costs money (which it doesn't, it's just not easy
to do it free).

4) There are many file formats you can't edit successfully without a
paid product.

 

[Al Klein]

There was a superflous carriage return, this removed it.

--
dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of inf

But the space is missing still.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

news:[email protected]...

[missing quote indicators added]

Using OE6 it is your posts that come out malformed with incorrect
quotes the solution for me is for you to use OE .

You can see Peter's posts fine. It's only when you try to use OE to
compose a reply that OE screws up the quoting. According to
Microsoft, OE's omission of the quote indicators when replying is a
feature rather than a bug, and they don't intend to fix it.

 

[Sietse Fliege]

Which is why I use OE Quotefix.

I'ld think tbat OE-Quotefix should solve the problem, provided you apply
the ISO-8859-1/15 signature fix correctly, making sure to exactly follow
the instructions in the Help file.