Ace, Kevin and other MVPs

[William Stacey [MVP]]

it's been around since day one. It's supposed to keep with the flow of the

conversation, where as you would post and then my answer would be below,
then your response to that would be below that. So when one would read it,
you can see the flow instead of having to scroll back up to see the

answer.

I don't have any proof, but I suspect the real start of bottom posting was a
design desision made by the first NG reader designer and people got used to
it and thought it must always be so. At the time it seemed like a natural
thing to do. You could see question and answer in order from top to bottom.
However, with new readers that can group the threads and order the replies
(e.g. Outlook Express), this is not really needed anymore. I personally
don't want to see multiple times the post(s) before the reply, because I
read it already in the thread and just want to see what the next person says
about it without all the other stuff. The one time it can come in handy is
when you want to email the whole thread to someone and not have to combine a
bunch of threads one by one. However, even this is not really doable
anymore as most people chop up the quotes to inline, etc. I accept we will
have to deal with all methods for some time. The important thing is the
questions get answered. Cheers!

 

[Herb Martin]

Personally I'd rather sign or 'quote' my posts. After all, they wind up in

numerous message boards across the world claiming them to be the original
but they all originated here within the public groups. Search on my name or
other MVP names and you can see what I mean. I've seen my posts in different
languages too that I had no idea I'm able to speak.

Now, that is really cool and weird.

I have been posting prolifically for long time so I wonder if this is
true for me too....hmmm?

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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Now, that is really cool and weird.

I have been posting prolifically for long time so I wonder if this is
true for me too....hmmm?

Probably... just search on our names.

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[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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thanks Ace. I meant On Topic, but typed OT which is not what I
meant. What would On Topic be?

Good question! I guess staying on topic for the thread would be On Topic??


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[eurodude]

I think what abuchan meant with "quote" was to include
the original message.

People can chop the posts anyway, no way you can protect
your IP by signing the post, right? I made up IP and
hope you can figure out.

I like your post embedded with all the Q or KB articles,
must have spent a lot time.

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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no i think just like this one, anyone can start a new
topic or post a new issue.

any post get a new reply, it will be bumped up to the top
of the forum. so if a post nobody cares, it will be sunk
to the bottom pretty quickly. however, on the other
hand, if one is popular or hot, it will stay at the top
for a really long time, until people lose interest..

by the way, what is the delay for posting here? Is it
scanning for virus? It ssems no one closely monitering
the postings, as I've seen somer commercial posts slipped
through before...

I think you're talking about forums that use an app similar to the UBB
software (Universal Bulletin Board). I've seen that sort of collaborative
tool used in many places, similar to this one:
http://www.rayneforum.com/
or this:
http://forums.msexchange.org/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000793

What those folks do is have a push/pull partnership going with the Microsoft
news servers. This way they can pull new threads and then post them here
when someone posts thru their sites. This is common practice for their sites
which may be topic specific and they grab the better posts instead of alot
of non-sequitor posts that you may find here day to day.

Dealy? There are I believe last count, 17 newsservers in a "farm" with one
of them being the Master. The Master keeps track of all the servers and
what's been posted. When a post gets posted, it depends on how the
newsreader can handle it and how soon the Master gets updated that there's a
new post beein posted. See when a newsreader is connected, it's not
connected to all the servers, but a specific one. But I believe (maybe
someone can correct me here), when you post a new post, you may not be
posting to this server. So maybe that one doesn't have the updated post yet.
Delay can be from 5 to 30 minutes, depending on traffic.

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[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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I don't have any proof, but I suspect the real start of bottom
posting was a design desision made by the first NG reader designer
and people got used to it and thought it must always be so. At the
time it seemed like a natural thing to do. You could see question
and answer in order from top to bottom. However, with new readers
that can group the threads and order the replies (e.g. Outlook
Express), this is not really needed anymore. I personally don't want
to see multiple times the post(s) before the reply, because I read it
already in the thread and just want to see what the next person says
about it without all the other stuff. The one time it can come in
handy is when you want to email the whole thread to someone and not
have to combine a bunch of threads one by one. However, even this is
not really doable anymore as most people chop up the quotes to
inline, etc. I accept we will have to deal with all methods for some
time. The important thing is the questions get answered. Cheers!

Sounds good. I usually try (if not in a hurry) to snip out the previous
stuff, since it's just too much, especially ipconfig and netdiag responses,
etc. But I'll probably continue to bottom post, since I've been doing it
awhile that way. Once in awhile you'll catch me top posting as well...

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[eurode]

I guess he had to type one more letter to accomplish
that, say OnT?

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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I think what abuchan meant with "quote" was to include
the original message.

People can chop the posts anyway, no way you can protect
your IP by signing the post, right? I made up IP and
hope you can figure out.

I like your post embedded with all the Q or KB articles,
must have spent a lot time.

I see. OEQuoteFix does that for me. I just snip ('chop') out stuff anyway to
shorten the response.

Protect your IP? If using the web method, then no IP shows up. Only with a
newsreader does it show.

KB articles? Well, I have over 4600 favorites and use a tool called CopyURL
to copy and paste them...besides all of them being organized in some sort of
fashion (at least I would like to think so).



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[Kevin D. Goodknecht [MVP]]

In Ace Fekay [MVP] <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&[email protected]>
posted a question
Then Kevin replied below:

KB articles? Well, I have over 4600 favorites and use a tool called
CopyURL to copy and paste them...besides all of them being organized
in some sort of fashion (at least I would like to think so).

Copy URL?
Hmm, I just have a text file with 15 or 20 of the must popular KB articles
for DNS, speaking of which, did you see this one, I wonder if that will help
resolve single label domains so the group policies will work, I just came
across it last night.
251384 - Delays in Name Resolution Using Microsoft DNS Server Forwarder
Option
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;251384

 

[eurodude]

I used IP short for Intellectural Property,..confusing,
huh? ;-)

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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Copy URL?
Hmm, I just have a text file with 15 or 20 of the must popular KB
articles for DNS, speaking of which, did you see this one, I wonder
if that will help resolve single label domains so the group policies
will work, I just came across it last night.
251384 - Delays in Name Resolution Using Microsoft DNS Server
Forwarder Option
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;251384

CopyURL:
www.moonsoftware.com

When you rt-click on a favorite (when you open up favorites to show in the
left IE pane) it gives you a "Copy Name" selection so it copies the name and
the link that you can paste into text, such as a post reply.

Yes, I saw that link in one of your other posts the other day. I thought it
was interesting. There have been posts about delays in forwarding. Nice
find!




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[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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I used IP short for Intellectural Property,..confusing,
huh? ;-)

No, just we assume you're sticking with the appropriate terminology and
abbreviations for these technical forums. Maybe if I were sitting in a board
meeting discussing rights and legal issues, then I wouldn't think of "IP" as
an Internet Protocol Address, nor would the other board members.

See what I mean?



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[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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I guess he had to type one more letter to accomplish
that, say OnT?

Almost looks like OnStar.

I don't know if there's an "on topic" abbreviation, at least I didn't see
one. I guess we can make them up as we go along, as long as everyone knows
what they mean.

Well, I think this discussion is actually WAY OFF TOPIC for this DNS
newsgroup. I think we all pretty much now understand what's going on and how
we feel about posting styles. What do you think? Do you think this thread's
pretty much come to a close?


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[eurodode]

to me it's fine and I understand this kind of discussion
may not change anything or go anywhere. but I do know
you guys more than before it, and I appreciate that.

however, should it come to a close or not, it's out of
anyone's control now, just like what happened to you
posts you mentioned before. there may be people jumping
in tomorrow, fresh from weekend, and want to say
something...

 

[Jim Carlock]

Some new ones that kids use:

POS = Parents Over Shoulder
PAW = Parents Are Watching

The irony... I don't have any kids.

You can do a search for, "parents over shoulder" through Google
to find a trove of such items. Seems like the parents have used
Acronyms so much, they're kids are using them.

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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Some new ones that kids use:

POS = Parents Over Shoulder
PAW = Parents Are Watching

The irony... I don't have any kids.

You can do a search for, "parents over shoulder" through Google
to find a trove of such items. Seems like the parents have used
Acronyms so much, they're kids are using them.

I've always used POS short for "Piece of S***", and sometimes Point of
Sales, depending on the audience and context.

But, yes, you're right, found it here:
http://www.quisdom.com/acronyms/A0008_usenet.html

Cheers!

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[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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to me it's fine and I understand this kind of discussion
may not change anything or go anywhere. but I do know
you guys more than before it, and I appreciate that.

however, should it come to a close or not, it's out of
anyone's control now, just like what happened to you
posts you mentioned before. there may be people jumping
in tomorrow, fresh from weekend, and want to say
something...

As for whether the thread is over or not, I'm not trying to end it. I'm just
saying it's off topic for this newsgroup and it's would be following
netetiquette to take it to a more appropriate group, such as the
miscellaneous group or a cafe, but there is no such microsoft public groups.
Ihope you understand what I'm saying.

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[eurodude]

no prob...I think you are right but not much I can do
about it, except to stop following it ...

 

[Leythos]

The reason for this is a misguided believe that so-called "top posting"
is somehow automatically rude or indicative of bad netiquette.

Top posting is rude and does not follow the norm when it comes to
following a discussion.

Top posting is just plain lazy.

Not snipping the part you are not directly replying to is also rude,
wastes space, and is lazy.

(This was not directed at the above person, just a comment in general)