A7V133+XP2400+

[Patrick Unterthiner]

Hello ..

Facts:

Rev: 1.05
Bios: 1009
CPU: Athlon XP 2400+ T-Bred
Temperature: 51 C
Vcore: 1,66
Jumperless Mode

My Problem ... The Bios detect an Athlon XP 1800 Mhz (i`ve nerver seen an XP
Booting ..shouldnt he detect something like Athlon XP 2400+ ?) when ich
check in Windows XP he detects an Duron 2,01 Ghz (this should be the real
takt of the XP 2400+) .... SiSoft Sandra Benchmarking show results between
an XP 2200+ and an XP 2400+ ..hm ...
How should i ask ? What is happing here ...
the Bios don't detect the right CPu but all "seems" to be working correct
and stable ...it also seems to me that the Athlon XP 2400* is running with
the correct Speed
I've read several FAQs which told my this couldnt work properly

Questions:
1. ...please make a steatment to this ..
2. It seems to me that Windows XP is not reading the Bios ..it detects the
CPU speed by testing ..could this be right ?
3. SiSoft Sandra detects everything (nearly) right ...If im correct it is
not possible to change the multiplikator (15x) from The XP ...could it be
that i "force" the board to run with 15x133 (i set the FSB speed manually at
133) ..so that is not important what the bios detects ?
4. in my BIOS FSB settings are "strange" Mhz ... i can choose between 933
and 700 ... when i chooese 933 the FSB is 133 ...where came this Mhz from ?

Thanks for Helping
Patrick

 

[RonK]

You will probably have to update your motherboard bios to the newest bios.
You can get the bios and instructions from the motherboard manufacturer's
website.

 

[BoB]

http://www.asus.com/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx
why in the heck did you ever get that cpu for such an old motherboard?

 

[-DraconuS-]

Hi

CPU: Athlon XP 2400+ T-Bred

What core is it? Tbred or Thorton or ...?

Jumperless Mode

So, what did you set on mobo/bios? (multiplier/fsb/memory)

My Problem ... The Bios detect an Athlon XP 1800 Mhz

Is that really a problem for you?! Just don't look at it and you'll be fine,
knowing that the cpu is running at the right speed.

SiSoft Sandra Benchmarking show results between
an XP 2200+ and an XP 2400+

Please, do not use Sandra for benchmarking! Even 3dmark2003 cpu tests will
be better.Best choice is some game or office benchmark... FYI: You will
never get even close to the performance you can have with new mobo with DDR
memory and good chipset (like nf2).

I've read several FAQs which told my this couldnt work properly

www.a7vtroubleshooting.com
Nothing is impossible with this board

2. It seems to me that Windows XP is not reading the Bios ..it detects the
CPU speed by testing ..could this be right ?

Right - WinXP does some research here...

4. in my BIOS FSB settings are "strange" Mhz ... i can choose between 933
and 700 ... when i chooese 933 the FSB is 133 ...where came this Mhz from

?

Just don't look at it. Officially Athlon XP is not supported by A7V133 so
expect some strange thing here.
Set things manually in bios.

The facts you should know are also:
1. Not all settings of fsb/multiplier are running. If it does not boot,
change it.
2. The multiplier settings are no longer the same they were meant to be. Ie.
12.5x is 20.0x for Tbred core Athlon XP.

My h/w is A7V133 rev."1.05" bios:1010.01b (beta) running with Athlon XP
2200+ Tbred-B @ 2GHz (20.0x100fsb) in jumpered mode, 512MB PC-133 @133MHz.

btw: What a pity comments by Ronk and Bob... what a shame...

Good luck

 

[BoB]

Hi



What core is it? Tbred or Thorton or ...?


So, what did you set on mobo/bios? (multiplier/fsb/memory)


Is that really a problem for you?! Just don't look at it and you'll be fine,
knowing that the cpu is running at the right speed.


Please, do not use Sandra for benchmarking! Even 3dmark2003 cpu tests will
be better.Best choice is some game or office benchmark... FYI: You will
never get even close to the performance you can have with new mobo with DDR
memory and good chipset (like nf2).


www.a7vtroubleshooting.com
Nothing is impossible with this board


Right - WinXP does some research here...
from
?

Just don't look at it. Officially Athlon XP is not supported by A7V133 so
expect some strange thing here.
Set things manually in bios.

The facts you should know are also:
1. Not all settings of fsb/multiplier are running. If it does not boot,
change it.
2. The multiplier settings are no longer the same they were meant to be. Ie.
12.5x is 20.0x for Tbred core Athlon XP.

My h/w is A7V133 rev."1.05" bios:1010.01b (beta) running with Athlon XP
2200+ Tbred-B @ 2GHz (20.0x100fsb) in jumpered mode, 512MB PC-133 @133MHz.

btw: What a pity comments by Ronk and Bob... what a shame...

Good luck
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If it works for you, go for it, I put the palomino 1900 stepping cores
in the older mobos w/pc133, and save the 2400/2600's for the
via 333/400 chipsets and cas2 ddr! Missmatched combos are not my
specialty! It's all a case of "BOTTLENECKS", enjoy yours!
No wonder you don't like sisoft, it must have murdered your h/w!

 

[JK]

Hello ..

Facts:

Rev: 1.05
Bios: 1009
CPU: Athlon XP 2400+ T-Bred
Temperature: 51 C
Vcore: 1,66
Jumperless Mode

My Problem ... The Bios detect an Athlon XP 1800 Mhz (i`ve nerver seen an XP
Booting ..shouldnt he detect something like Athlon XP 2400+ ?) when ich
check in Windows XP he detects an Duron 2,01 Ghz (this should be the real
takt of the XP 2400+) .... SiSoft Sandra Benchmarking show results between
an XP 2200+ and an XP 2400+ ..hm ...
How should i ask ? What is happing here ...
the Bios don't detect the right CPu but all "seems" to be working correct
and stable ...it also seems to me that the Athlon XP 2400* is running with
the correct Speed
I've read several FAQs which told my this couldnt work properly

Questions:
1. ...please make a steatment to this ..
2. It seems to me that Windows XP is not reading the Bios ..it detects the
CPU speed by testing ..could this be right ?
3. SiSoft Sandra detects everything (nearly) right ...If im correct it is
not possible to change the multiplikator (15x) from The XP ...could it be
that i "force" the board to run with 15x133 (i set the FSB speed manually at
133) ..so that is not important what the bios detects ?
4. in my BIOS FSB settings are "strange" Mhz ... i can choose between 933
and 700 ... when i chooese 933 the FSB is 133 ...where came this Mhz from ?

I wonder why you use jumperless mode. This requires the bios to be up
to date.

I would use jumper mode. You should then set 7x multiplier to get 15x
(it is called multiplier remapping). Then you would be sure that the
motherboard runs with correct multiplier.

Anyway: check that with CPU-z

www.cpuid.com
http://www.3dnews.ru/download/tweak/cpu/cpuid/

best regards

John

 

[AJ]

Hello ..

Facts:

Rev: 1.05
Bios: 1009
CPU: Athlon XP 2400+ T-Bred
Temperature: 51 C
Vcore: 1,66
Jumperless Mode

That board was never made to run any chip faster than 1400. I could
not. Others will post they run what ever speed CPU they want on it but
YMMV.

 

[BoB]

That board was never made to run any chip faster than 1400. I could
not. Others will post they run what ever speed CPU they want on it but
YMMV.

Athlon XP 2100+(Model 6)(Palomino) since revision 1.05. bios 1007

 

[AJ]

Athlon XP 2100+(Model 6)(Palomino) since revision 1.05. bios 1007

He doesn't have 1.05.(dot) he has 1.05 (no dot). 1.05. was reallly
1.06 but they were lazy and added a dot instead of changing it to
1.06. The next revision went to 1.07.

 

[-DraconuS-]

Hi

That board was never made to run any chip faster than 1400. I could
not. Others will post they run what ever speed CPU they want on it but
YMMV.

I think you just did not do your best to run it

 

[-DraconuS-]

Hi


Look, I was already writing about the 'bottleneck'! And Sandra is not my
dislike. Just think it's not so good for benchmarking CPUs while already
having certain bottlenecks in the chipset/cpu/memory sub-system.

If it works for you, go for it, I put the palomino 1900 stepping cores
in the older mobos w/pc133, and save the 2400/2600's for the
via 333/400 chipsets and cas2 ddr! Missmatched combos are not my
specialty!

It's all about the money. It's a lot cheaper for me to just change the cpu
instead of changing mobo+cpu+memory. Some day I'll have to do it, but it
works for me now.

 

[AJ]

I think you just did not do your best to run it

That chip has an entirely different structure that 1.05 does not
support. My system would not boot with a 2100+ no matter what.

 

[-DraconuS-]

Hi

That chip has an entirely different structure that 1.05 does not
support. My system would not boot with a 2100+ no matter what.

What chip you are talking about?
A7V133 officially does not support Athlon XP, right? Then what about me and
whole bunch of hundreds of people in the world who run their Palominos,
Tbreds or even Bartons and Thortons on this mbo?!
Meet them @ www.a7vtroubleshooting.com or even on this newsgroup.
Just get the proper PSU, newest bios (Final 1009 or Beta 1010.01b), clear
CMOS and try it.
And yes, I know that such a system is performing poorly compared to the
newest kt600 or nforce2u400 based systems with the same CPU but still far
better than sticking to 1400MHz!

 

[BoB]

Hi



What chip you are talking about?
A7V133 officially does not support Athlon XP, right? Then what about me and
whole bunch of hundreds of people in the world who run their Palominos,
Tbreds or even Bartons and Thortons on this mbo?!
Meet them @ www.a7vtroubleshooting.com or even on this newsgroup.
Just get the proper PSU, newest bios (Final 1009 or Beta 1010.01b), clear
CMOS and try it.
And yes, I know that such a system is performing poorly compared to the
newest kt600 or nforce2u400 based systems with the same CPU but still far
better than sticking to 1400MHz!

Let's say you took out a 1400 and put in a 2100+(1.73GHz ) ,
you've increased the Mghz by 333! That's 20%, figure a 10%(at best)
performance
increase! With that mobo, going higher will give a poor cost/performance
benefit ratio!

 

[AJ]

A7V133 officially does not support Athlon XP, right?

Try to get this straight. 1.05(no dot) is the only revision I'm
talking about. The one the OP has. I have 6 PC's running 2100+ and
higher AMD CPU's. The only one that won't boot with a 2100+ or higher
is the A7V133 Revision 1.05(no dot).

 

[F.N]

I know some people have had 2100+ on their A7v133 1.05(nodot) boards.
I don't recall if it was via jumper or non jumper though.

 

[Patrick Unterthiner]

Hm ...hello again ...i wasn't able to answer for a few days because ....

everything crashed

no i'm sitting here in front of my PC my old ASUS baby is lying next to me
.....

A few minutes after i wrote this message i tried to set the multiplier in
bios to 7 .. to test if it shows up on starting ..
since this day this board never booted with any CPU ... it only makes
strange sounds ...

Thanks for helping anyway but i think this board is dead :-( ...maybe it
will run again some day with my old Athlon 1200

 

[Tom Joyce]

Let's say you took out a 1400 and put in a 2100+(1.73GHz ) ,
you've increased the Mghz by 333! That's 20%, figure a 10%(at best)
performance
increase! With that mobo, going higher will give a poor cost/performance
benefit ratio!

I replaced the Tbird 1.4 (200FSB) in my old 1.05 with a Tbred 2100+ B. In
jumper free mode it ran at just over 2GHz (20*100) on default vcore; with
jumpers set to 9*133.3 (remaps to 17*133.3) it ran 100% stable at 2266MHz
but needed 1.8v. Doesn't work for everyone.

Best 3DMark 2001 score with this setup and a Ti4600 was 9,962, improving
by almost 50% to 14,623 when I moved the Tbred and Ti4600 to an NF2 board
(11*210) and PC3200 DDR memory.

Regards,
Tom

 

[Patrick Unterthiner]

It's all about the money. It's a lot cheaper for me to just change the cpu

instead of changing mobo+cpu+memory. Some day I'll have to do it, but it
works for me now.

You are right ..this was the idea ive 768 mb sdram ...this new board even
seams to be slower ..i hate this :-( ive i had knew this before i would have
bought a stronger CPU ...
talking about bottlenecks.... there are always there but changing from 1,2
Ghz to "2,4" was not so bad idea... you never have the perfect system
without spendig a lot of money ..

 

[BoB]

I replaced the Tbird 1.4 (200FSB) in my old 1.05 with a Tbred 2100+ B. In
jumper free mode it ran at just over 2GHz (20*100) on default vcore; with
jumpers set to 9*133.3 (remaps to 17*133.3) it ran 100% stable at 2266MHz
but needed 1.8v. Doesn't work for everyone.

Best 3DMark 2001 score with this setup and a Ti4600 was 9,962, improving
by almost 50% to 14,623 when I moved the Tbred and Ti4600 to an NF2 board
(11*210) and PC3200 DDR memory.

Regards,
Tom

That sounds about right, you eliminated the memory bottlenecks and unleashed
the 8x agp, my son is running a 2100+B at default multiplier
and overclocking the bus from 133 to 166 so it runs synchronously with
his single 512 meg hyperx cas 2 ram, it posts as a amd 2700+. It runs at
40-43C under full load, my 2100+B never would do it, damnit!
I had to buy a amd 2600/333 and it runs hotter with a better heatsink/fan!
The bad thing is he's using a refurb(40$) MSI raid mobo, refurb cpu(50$)
and refurb ram(60$)-Newegg-prices 6 months ago!